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Old 02-07-2009, 08:38 PM   #1
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First of all let me say im new to this forum but have been checking it out and you guys seem great. Ive been out of the jeep circle for a while so im turning to you guys. So in about a month or so I will be buying a 09 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. My 4wd experience is pretty good due to an old CJ and beating up my H1 in iraq and afghanistan when i was in the Marines. On a scale of 1-10, 1 stock, 10 unstoppable, i would like this rig to be about a 7. So the stearlership where i will buy it told me that if i went over a 4" lift then it would void the warranty and that they could put on a 4" Skyjacker and it would be covered. My question is weather or not to have them do it or just the 4wd Shop. I hate dealing with dealerships but it would be nice to have it all done before i ever drive it and also be able to take it to them if the screw it up. i do have a short wife and a couple rug rats so i cant jack this thing up too high but don't want it to be a sissy rig either. ive pretty much picked out all my bolt ons, Warn Rock Crawler Bumpers Front and Rear, Warn PowerPlant Winch, AEV Snorkel and so on. What do you guys recommend on a lift/tire combo and where would u get it done? And how big tires can i go with a 4"? This is intended to be my dream rig and I finally have some money to throw at it so what would you guys recommend and like to put in your rig? Thanks for your time guys.

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Welcome Nick, the skyjacker deal is kinda funny and is probably BS. If they wanted to get technical with you I believe Rubicon Express is the only factory authorized lift from Mopar.

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4point is correct Rubicon Express makes the MOPAR Long arm kit for the JK. This should tell you a few things. I would steer away from Skyjacker if it where my jeep. With a 4" on a JK 35-37's will work. I would also find a different dealer.
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Welcome Nick, the skyjacker deal is kinda funny and is probably BS. If they wanted to get technical with you I believe Rubicon Express is the only factory authorized lift from Mopar.
That Rubicon Express 4.5" looks pretty complete and seems like the way to go, anyone have one on and what tires/wheels you running? and how bad if at all will that lift mess with the warranty?
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First of all let me say im new to this forum but have been checking it out and you guys seem great. Ive been out of the jeep circle for a while so im turning to you guys. So in about a month or so I will be buying a 09 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. My 4wd experience is pretty good due to an old CJ and beating up my H1 in iraq and afghanistan when i was in the Marines. On a scale of 1-10, 1 stock, 10 unstoppable, i would like this rig to be about a 7. So the stearlership where i will buy it told me that if i went over a 4" lift then it would void the warranty and that they could put on a 4" Skyjacker and it would be covered. My question is weather or not to have them do it or just the 4wd Shop. I hate dealing with dealerships but it would be nice to have it all done before i ever drive it and also be able to take it to them if the screw it up. i do have a short wife and a couple rug rats so i cant jack this thing up too high but don't want it to be a sissy rig either. ive pretty much picked out all my bolt ons, Warn Rock Crawler Bumpers Front and Rear, Warn PowerPlant Winch, AEV Snorkel and so on. What do you guys recommend on a lift/tire combo and where would u get it done? And how big tires can i go with a 4"? This is intended to be my dream rig and I finally have some money to throw at it so what would you guys recommend and like to put in your rig? Thanks for your time guys.

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I think you will find the JK Rubi pretty close to that 7 stock. The with the right back spacing a stock JK Rubi can go to 32in tires. 285/70-17. (this is assuming off road and flexing, if you stay on the pavement you can go 35in stock) Not positive, but I think you can go 35in with 2in lift and 37in with a 4in lift and the right back spacing on the rims. Of course with 37s you probably will want to re-gear too.
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after talking to the dealership a little more ive realized that they are border line retarded so ive opted to take it to my local 4WD shop after i buy it. What do you recommend for new shocks? RE will add theirs for about $300. And there was this note on RE page about what else i will need.
NOTE: Front and rear driveline modifications will be required.
what do i need in order to complete the whole setup
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For a dream Unlimited Rubicon, I'd use 6" of lift, OME shocks, 37's, 5.13 gears in D60 axles.
After wheeling with a few Unlimiteds, I've noticed that the turn radius doesn't hinder it too much but the breakover angle becomes problematic. And as the wheelbase lengthens, so does your need for articulation to get over and through rut-slaloms --- hence the 6" of lift.

It also depends on where you plan to wheel it. Moab needs different mods than Tellico, etc.
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For a dream Unlimited Rubicon, I'd use 6" of lift, OME shocks, 37's, 5.13 gears in D60 axles.
After wheeling with a few Unlimiteds, I've noticed that the turn radius doesn't hinder it too much but the breakover angle becomes problematic. And as the wheelbase lengthens, so does your need for articulation to get over and through rut-slaloms --- hence the 6" of lift.

It also depends on where you plan to wheel it. Moab needs different mods than Tellico, etc.
this 6" is tempting, really whats another 1.5" right? i would like to run some Dick Cepek Mud Country 37x13.50R18. i probably wont be making a trip to moab too soon, i live in colorado where we have a lot of snow and mud trails. i noticed the largest lift from Rubicon Express is there 45" longarm. who makes a good 6"? and how much equipment will i need to make the 6'' complete?
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Look at Jason's build; he's learned alot by trial and error. Especially the errors...
From Stock To Stacked...The Story Of A JK - Expedition Portal Forum
Pay special attention to the track bar bracket, no matter which lift you use; they break off if you lift it.
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Look at Jason's build; he's learned alot by trial and error. Especially the errors...
From Stock To Stacked...The Story Of A JK - Expedition Portal Forum
Pay special attention to the track bar bracket, no matter which lift you use; they break off if you lift it.
WOW thanks for that link, that guys rig is pretty close to what i want. after talking to my local 4wd shop i think i have my combo.

Rubicon Express 4.5" Lift
Rubicon Express Front 1310 CVO Driveshaft
Rubicon Express Front Transfer Case Yoke
Rubicon Express Rear 1310 CVF Driveshaft
Rubicon Express Rear Transfer Case Flange Adapter
Rubicon Express Extreme-Duty™ Mono-Tube Shock
BFGoodrich Krawler T/A 37X12.5R17
AR Thug Alloy Wheel 5x5 Bolt Pattern 18x9 4 1/2" Backspacing
Superior 5.13 Gears

so thats where im at so far for the light and wheels and tires what do you think?
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Look at Jason's build; he's learned alot by trial and error. Especially the errors...
From Stock To Stacked...The Story Of A JK - Expedition Portal Forum
Pay special attention to the track bar bracket, no matter which lift you use; they break off if you lift it.
And he is giving it away in September. Click the link in my sig for more info.
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Before you decide on bumpers, check out Jeep, ShrockWorks
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Before you decide on bumpers, check out Jeep, ShrockWorks
those look pretty nice but i think ive decided on these, i saw them on a friends and they look great and the engineering behind them is excellent

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My dream Unlimited Rubicon would be a tj
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And he is giving it away in September. Click the link in my sig for more info.
I've already purchased my raffle tickets, numbers 60-63.
What a sweet thing to win, such a worthy cause, such a noble gesture on Jason's part.


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WOW thanks for that link, that guys rig is pretty close to what i want. after talking to my local 4wd shop i think i have my combo.

Rubicon Express 4.5" Lift
Rubicon Express Front 1310 CVO Driveshaft
Rubicon Express Front Transfer Case Yoke
Rubicon Express Rear 1310 CVF Driveshaft
Rubicon Express Rear Transfer Case Flange Adapter
Rubicon Express Extreme-Duty™ Mono-Tube Shock
BFGoodrich Krawler T/A 37X12.5R17
AR Thug Alloy Wheel 5x5 Bolt Pattern 18x9 4 1/2" Backspacing
Superior 5.13 Gears

so thats where im at so far for the light and wheels and tires what do you think?
Keep sniffing around the build threads for a while; you'll change your mind a few times...

Have you looked at Rigid Industries' LED lights for supplemental lighting? Nearly indestructible, and almost never need replacing. Really neat product.

I like the idea of using as rigid a sidewall as possible for that size tire; good idea on the 18's too for the reality of street travel.
Goodyear is coming out with a new tire next month that's got a kevlar sidewall; it's a crossbreed between an AT and MT. Some will like it, some will hate it. I wanna give it a try in a 33" on my 2-door...
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...ter=&sidewall=
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i think have decided on these light as to the fact that im going for the blacked look

Hella Black Magic Driving Lamps w/ Hella Grille Cover
Recon Smoked LED Front Turn Signals & Parking Lights
LiteDOTs Smoked LED Tail Lights

Some other goodies bookmarked...
WARN 9.5ti Thermometric Winch
WARN Winch Mounting Plate
AmSteel Blue Synthetic 5/16" x 125' Winch Line
Warn Winch Neoprene Cover for 9.5ti Thermometric
Poly Performance Oil Pan/Tranny/T-Case Skid Plates
AEV JK Snorkel
Tuffy Security Console
Tuffy Security Glove Box
Tuffy Security Door Locks
Wet Okole Seat Covers
WeatherTech DigitaFit Floor Mats

That along with the lift/wheels/tires/bumpers i already posted are what ive got for now, any comments or advice with any of these, good or bad or alternatives?
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Look at Jason's build; he's learned alot by trial and error. Especially the errors...
From Stock To Stacked...The Story Of A JK - Expedition Portal Forum
Pay special attention to the track bar bracket, no matter which lift you use; they break off if you lift it.
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Acording to the Rubicon Express Page their lift come with :
Rear Track Bar Bracket
Front Extreme Duty Track Bar
Front Extreme Duty Drop Track Bar Bracket

will that suffice the issues you mentioned about the brackets breaking? or would it be necessary to fab a skid plate or just weld the shit out of the brackets?
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Acording to the Rubicon Express Page their lift come with :
Rear Track Bar Bracket
Front Extreme Duty Track Bar
Front Extreme Duty Drop Track Bar Bracket

will that suffice the issues you mentioned about the brackets breaking? or would it be necessary to fab a skid plate or just weld the shit out of the brackets?
Ask RE since it's the stocker that breaks at the weld; it doesn't get a bead all the way around and when you change the angle of dynamic load, snap. I've heard that the new kits address the problem...
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Ask RE since it's the stocker that breaks at the weld; it doesn't get a bead all the way around and when you change the angle of dynamic load, snap. I've heard that the new kits address the problem...
calling them today, also do u think im gonna need to upgrade the steering stabilizer, since the tires im getting weigh 80lbs each?
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went ahead and talked to RE and they said that the knew about that issue with the brackets and have addressed them in this kit, also the steering stabilizer comes with a relocation bracket that moves it up away from the axel, the only thing it is missing is the boot. its part number rxt2000-jk
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And he is giving it away in September. Click the link in my sig for more info.
Not trying to hijack or anything but I found out tonight that the raffle for Jason's rig has been CANCELLED. He is refunding all money to those that have already bought tickets. Something about legal issues of having raffles in some states.


Back on topic. I priced those new Goodyear Kevlar M/T's saturday and they are higher than a cat's ass. A 305/70R16 was $368 each for just the tire and a 305/70R17 was $416.
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definately not cheap. the BFG Krawlers in 37's i found on average for about $380, also has anyone with the My Gig Nav ever heard of this product
BF Goodrich Krawler T/A KX Tire*::*BF Goodrich*::*Tires*::*PSS Automotive
i know they existed but wanted to hear if anyone ever used it, im sure if you ever had a Nav issue and wanted to take it to the dealer that thing would have to come out or they would tell you to pound sand.
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definately not cheap. the BFG Krawlers in 37's i found on average for about $380, also has anyone with the My Gig Nav ever heard of this product
BF Goodrich Krawler T/A KX Tire*::*BF Goodrich*::*Tires*::*PSS Automotive
i know they existed but wanted to hear if anyone ever used it, im sure if you ever had a Nav issue and wanted to take it to the dealer that thing would have to come out or they would tell you to pound sand.
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sorry about the double post, dumb computer, here is the right link...
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Not trying to hijack or anything but I found out tonight that the raffle for Jason's rig has been CANCELLED. He is refunding all money to those that have already bought tickets. Something about legal issues of having raffles in some states.
What a bummer; he really put his heart and soul into the event and raffle.
I'm still hoping to camp with him in Moab in May; it's still a worthy cause.
I'll email him and tell him to keep the donation money.

I figured that RE had addressed the breakage issue.
Regarding the steering damper, I've heard that some of the stockers tend to fail early. I don't think you necessarily need a beefier one, just make sure the stock unit is still good when you move it. If everything else is in line it doesn't work that hard anyhow...

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