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Old 09-26-2013, 11:29 AM   #1
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Can't decide between a sport/Rubicon

I'm a newbie. I'm going to buy a new 2014 Wrangler pretty soon and have some questions.

I'm mainly getting it for aesthetics and probably go off-roading once a month. All I'm interested in doing is lift kit and bigger tires-probably 35's

Which model would I be best suited with for my desires?

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Depends on what you mean by "mainly getting it for aesthetics" and "off-roading once a month".

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Old 09-26-2013, 11:44 AM   #4
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Where? Sport for anything east of the Mississippi unless you plan on doing some road trips out west. Rubi for the rocks. If you don't get a Rubi, get the 3.73's and the LSD.
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Rubicon if your committed to better offroad capability and sport if your more on road. I your case of only taking it offroad once a month go with the sport!
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:45 AM   #6
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I'd say sport too.

Here's how I feel:


An inexperienced off-roader probably doesn't have the skills or need for a Rubicon, and should probably learn how traction works on various terrain with open axles FIRST, before graduating to bigger & more dangerous obstacles with locked differentials (which have unique handling quirks). Additionally, the sort of terrain I'd need a Rubicon for generally isn't the sort of terrain I'd want to traverse in a $40K vehicle.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:50 AM   #7
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If you have the money just go for the Rubicon.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:50 AM   #8
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Would both sport and Rubicon handle these upgrades with no problem or would additional gear be necessary in order to get it lifted with bigger tires?

..err which vehicle is better suited for a lift and 35" tire? ^^
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Would both sport and Rubicon handle these upgrades with no problem or would additional gear be necessary in order to get it lifted with bigger tires?

..err which vehicle is better suited for a lift and 35" tire? ^^
If you want something totally capable from factory then go with rubi. Want something that is still capable and make totally your own in the future to match a rubi then go sport. I got a sport and after this year it'll be more capable than some rubis.
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An inexperienced off-roader probably doesn't have the skills or need for a Rubicon, and should probably learn how traction works on various terrain with open axles FIRST, before graduating to bigger & more dangerous obstacles with locked differentials (which have unique handling quirks).
Well one could always get the Rubi and not push the buttons for a year or two
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Old 09-26-2013, 12:11 PM   #11
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I bought a sport, my brother bought a rubicon. i cant tell you how many times ive been on the trail or on a sand dune, wishing i had a rubicon. pull the trigger on the right truck for your needs
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I havent taken a pole, but I would wager there are more people whom bought a Sport and later wished they had bought a Rubi than the other way around.
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I bought a sport, my brother bought a rubicon. i cant tell you how many times ive been on the trail or on a sand dune, wishing i had a rubicon. pull the trigger on the right truck for your needs
Why did you wish you had one.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:12 PM   #14
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Yea it really matters what type of offroading you'll be doing... If it's just trail runs once a month id say get a sport and throw a lift and larger tires on it heck even throw a winch and bumper on if you want... This is what I did and couldn't be happier, alot of people buy the rubicons just to say they have one, that's alot of money for things you may only actually need a few times a year... A winch is the best investment you can make everyone gets stuck no matter what your mods are locking diffs might get you out of a few situations but a winch will get you through anything if equipped properly!
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If mod money will be hard to scrape up later on go with a Rubicon . If you have a money tree and the desire to build a better rig get a sport with the options you want and build it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:25 PM   #16
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Here's what you do. Search on here for:

(1) Threads about how folks that bought a Sport or Sahara and now wish they had a Rubicon; and
(2) Threads about how folks that bought a Rubicon wish they'd bought a Sport or a Sahara.

Then make your decision. Let us know if you find a (2).
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Here's what you do. Search on here for:

(1) Threads about how folks that bought a Sport or Sahara and now wish they had a Rubicon; and
(2) Threads about how folks that bought a Rubicon wish they'd bought a Sport or a Sahara.

Then make your decision. Let us know if you find a (2).
^Troof.

I'm glad I bought a rubi right off the bat, because now I don't envy them or think "I should have..." Most people with sports really like their wranglers too, and 99% the response to when they find out I have a rubi is, "I really like the rubi, but for the few extras you get the price isn't worth it. I could do all that to my Jeep for less than the difference." I have yet to see anyone actually able to do that. On the forums or in person. There was a thread about this a month ago too... Someone buying a sport and then wanting to put rubi upgrades on it. "curing my rubicon envy" I believe was the title
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Here's what you do. Search on here for:

(1) Threads about how folks that bought a Sport or Sahara and now wish they had a Rubicon; and
(2) Threads about how folks that bought a Rubicon wish they'd bought a Sport or a Sahara.

Then make your decision. Let us know if you find a (2).
There are plenty of those types of (2) threads. Most relate to lower payments, but some end up not using the features and would prefer the better gas mileage.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:47 PM   #19
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There are plenty of those types of (2) threads. Most relate to lower payments, but some end up not using the features and would prefer the better gas mileage.
Well, I think the point is there are a heck of a lot more type 1 than type 2. I have been on the forum for awhile and recall very few instances where folks were unhappy they bought a Rubi. Not saying it doesn't happen but it is far less frequent than the converse.
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For what you describe it sounds like you could get by with a sport just fine. If you got cash burning a hole in your pocket then a rubi would treat you pretty well too. If you're a real man then just go with a sport and build up an offroading monster that makes Rubicon owners envious

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If you got the money to spend, then just go with the rubicon. Sure you can build a sport to perform better than a rubicon, but how long will it take you? Just buy the rubicon and don't look back and have some fun lol
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Get an idea of what the best price is on a Rubi vs. whatever Sport configuration you want. Then get an idea of what their residual value will be whenever you think you are likely to sell/trade. Then determine what mods you would want to do to each, and assume you will get very little back for the mods. Now you know what to do.

Which is, of course, get a freaking Rubi
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:03 PM   #23
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Here's what you do. Search on here for:

(1) Threads about how folks that bought a Sport or Sahara and now wish they had a Rubicon; and
(2) Threads about how folks that bought a Rubicon wish they'd bought a Sport or a Sahara.

Then make your decision. Let us know if you find a (2).
I gotta disagree with this premise.

On internet forums, where most people off-road...or at least say they off-road....you will see a lot more of #1.

In the "real world"...where most JK's see nothing more than the occassional dirt trail, you will see a lot less of #1, and a whole lot of people not wanting to admit to #2 (based on actual need).

Realistically, if you are not doing at least moderate off-roading, you have almost zero need for lockers, ediscos, or a 4-1 transfer case.

There are a couple of former Rubi owners who went to a Sahara or Sport on these forums, but the reverse is more common because of the nature of the forum.

Basically, it comes down to how the OP will use the vehicle.
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I gotta disagree with this premise.

On internet forums, where most people off-road...or at least say they off-road....you will see a lot more of #1.

In the "real world"...where most JK's see nothing more than the occassional dirt trail, you will see a lot less of #1, and a whole lot of people not wanting to admit to #2 (based on actual need).

Realistically, if you are not doing at least moderate off-roading, you have almost zero need for lockers, ediscos, or a 4-1 transfer case.

There are a couple of former Rubi owners who went to a Sahara or Sport on these forums, but the reverse is more common because of the nature of the forum.
Oh, I totally agree. The forum definitely has a certain selection bias, and the reason there are more (1) threads is because the forum population is focused on offroading, not because the Wrangler-driving population as a whole needs a Rubi.

All that being said, the bottom-line cost after, say, 5 years of ownership of a Rubi is probably about 2k more than a Sport S. Even if they don't really *need* the lockers, discos, transfer case, a lot of folks would be willing to pay that if they really did the cost analysis. The difference in MSRP makes the cost of a Rubi seem a lot bigger than it really is.
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but I am a newbie in the same boat; Sport vs. Rubicon. If a Sport is the route I go and I eventually want locking diffs, how much would that cost to do?
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but I am a newbie in the same boat; Sport vs. Rubicon. If a Sport is the route I go and I eventually want locking diffs, how much would that cost to do?
2k or thereabouts. Unless the D44's and tx case aren't good enough for your plans, save your $ and get a Rubi.
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Oh, I totally agree. The forum definitely has a certain selection bias, and the reason there are more (1) threads is because the forum population is focused on offroading, not because the Wrangler-driving population as a whole needs a Rubi.

All that being said, the bottom-line cost after, say, 5 years of ownership of a Rubi is probably about 2k more than a Sport S. Even if they don't really *need* the lockers, discos, transfer case, a lot of folks would be willing to pay that if they really did the cost analysis. The difference in MSRP makes the cost of a Rubi seem a lot bigger than it really is.
Yeah, from a cost standpoint, I think the Rubi is a good deal (especially compared to a Sahara). And while most don't need any of the Rubi features, it isn't like they hinder its on-road perfornance (except the tires, and those can be changed easy enough). The only thing that bugs me about the Rubi (and is the reason why I always ask how the person is going to use the vehicle,) is that you can't get a limited slip differential.

For me, that is where the cost factor came in. It would be like a 4x4 shop offereing me a rear Ox Locker installed for $500. As great a deal as that might be, it does me no good to give up my LSD and pay more money for a rear locker....based on how I use the vehicle.
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There are a lot of good reasons for both, but for me I want the most under me, cause I just never know when I'll take the wrong turn and end up in a situation. I really like having a Jeep that will do more than I will.

I vote Rubicon!
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2k or thereabouts. Unless the D44's and tx case aren't good enough for your plans, save your $ and get a Rubi.
Agreed...if you want locking diffs, get the Rubi...unless you plan on going up to D60's or something.
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I went SPORT, the main reason I went this route was I knew my build before hand and what my end goal was (37's with the ability to get to 40's easily). This pretty much negates stock axles. I do miss having the lower gearing that is available in the Rubicon t-case. When the time comes I will buy one of from a take-off or an ATLAS style t-case.

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