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Old 01-24-2012, 11:04 AM   #1
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Can't find Rubi springs/shocks so will this work?

I really wanted to do the 19/60 swap with Rubi shocks too but cannot seem to find any on the forums (here or elsewhere), can't get a response from a few Ebayer's with the 18/59, and the Mopar guy in Tampa can't have them here by the weekend as of yesterday. I have a forum member willing to help me install this weekend which is why Im trying to get things done by then.

In light of this, I put together a "kit" from 4 Wheel Parts and wondered everyone's opinion relative to the Rubi swap idea. Skyjacker 2" poly kit with shocks and a .5" front Teraflex spacer to level things out (could also do the 3/4 Daystar up front). Rancho QD sway links for the front too. Kit cost is $393.

Or (and I know its so similar) A Quadratec "kit' with Skyjacker hydro shocks, Rock Krawler 1 3/4" spacers with quick disco, and 3/4" Daystar spacers to give me 2.5" front and 2" back. Price is $377.

Last option is to simply wait and do the lift some other time in the next month, buy the Rubi springs for $140, add some Skyjacker shocks for $150, 3/4" Daystar front spacers to level $40, and some type of quick disco for the front $85, total $415.

This is my DD and will see trails maybe once a month but nothing crazy since it needs to get me to work once the weekend is over.

I"m open to any other/better options. Bottom line, I've got about $400 to put to this, help me spend it so I can get some sleep and stop agonizing over what is probably an easy decision. Thanks...from me and the family!

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Why not from Mopar?

That is where the "19/60" rates were discovered

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I would slow down and get exactly what you want. You don't want to look back with regret and have to rebuy things you didn't get and compromised on.

On that note, Rubi take off shocks are everywhere and can be had for under $100 delivered (I paid $80 delivered on a set with just a few thousand miles on them.) You can go back and upgrade the coils to the 19/59's at any time, it's not that terribly hard.

I assume you will have this Jeep for a while, modding is half the fun, slow down, research, pick and choose exactly what you want, and enjoy the journey!
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Old 01-24-2012, 11:19 AM   #4
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Why not from Mopar?

That is where the "19/60" rates were discovered
Mopar is definitely an option, just not in time to get it done when my man is available to help me. I guess what I'm getting at is this...is the Mopar coil/shock route (Rubi shock or Skyjacker) enough better to sit tight for? It kinda seems like it might be to me but I only know enough to be dangerous when it comes this stuff
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I would slow down and get exactly what you want. You don't want to look back with regret and have to rebuy things you didn't get and compromised on.

On that note, Rubi take off shocks are everywhere and can be had for under $100 delivered (I paid $80 delivered on a set with just a few thousand miles on them.) You can go back and upgrade the coils to the 19/59's at any time, it's not that terribly hard.

I assume you will have this Jeep for a while, modding is half the fun, slow down, research, pick and choose exactly what you want, and enjoy the journey!
This is great advice, no doubt. Damn, instant gratification DNA!!!!! I actually found some 18/59s and shocks that work for me, just wouldn't have them in time. I see where you are coming from and if this is indeed a better setup than shocks and spacers, I'll wait.

On the shocks though, any reason to do, not to do, the Skyjackers over the Rubi shocks ?
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This is great advice, no doubt. Damn, instant gratification DNA!!!!! I actually found some 18/59s and shocks that work for me, just wouldn't have them in time. I see where you are coming from and if this is indeed a better setup than shocks and spacers, I'll wait.

On the shocks though, any reason to do, not to do, the Skyjackers over the Rubi shocks ?
Skyjacker shocks are actually Ok. I had the hydro shocks on my Tj for years.

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Old 01-24-2012, 12:18 PM   #7
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I believe you can purchase brand new 19/60 springs for around $160 shipped.

You can find them here:

Buy Mopar Car Truck Parts | Genuine Discounted Mopar OEM Auto Parts | Mopar Accessories

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The part numbers are:

The front springs are part # 52126319AB

And the rears are part # 68004460AA
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:48 PM   #8
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Thanks GR, I actually had those in my cart at that site but they wouldnt be here until next week at which point I'd have to pay the local shop another $300 to install, hence my hurry for this weekend.

Update though, I pulled the trigger!! I don't know if I"m happier to have the parts coming or to be able to stop agonizing over which option is best. In any case, everything will be here this weekend for install. Here's the final tally:

(4) 18/59 coils from Geoff (wrangler0 here), thanks again!
(4) ProComp ES9000 hydro shocks from 4 Wheel Parts
(1) Daystar 3/4" spacer kit (only going on the front to level)

Total cost with shipping/tax $340!!! Seems like a winner. Still hoping to pick up some quick discos for the front end if anyone has some.

I'm hoping to see close to 2.5" in front and 2" in back with this combo since I am coming from JKX shocks and 13/14 - 55 coils and adding the small spacer in front. Does this seem reasonable? I have stock bumpers (actually, front has the stubby end kit so its less than stock).
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Since you have a light bumper up front and are adding HD coils, you might end up looking like you're copping a squat with front only spacers.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:09 PM   #10
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Since you have a light bumper up front and are adding HD coils, you might end up looking like you're copping a squat with front only spacers.
Just as easy to add the backs as well when its apart. Actually, I was thinking the same a little since I have a light front and a fairly big spare on the back (33x12.5). Maybe that's why some have mentioned getting different height gains with only the coil swap.
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...this is what i installed. 60/19 springs and regular ole bilstein gas shocks.

...still very happy with the choice.
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Sorry to thread jack but can anyone point me to the info threads on using rubi take off springs on a JKU?
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Rubi springs are no different than any other springs. The first thing you need to do is determine what you currently have. Look at the last 2 numbers on the tag hanging on your springs. Check front and back. The fronts will range from 13-19 and the rear from 54-60. The higher the number, the stiffer/taller the spring.
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:57 PM   #14
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My 09 JKU has not tags on the springs. Is there another way to figure out which i have?
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You can try ordering your build sheet from Chrysler. That's the only other way I can think of.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:19 PM   #16
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You can try ordering your build sheet from Chrysler. That's the only other way I can think of.
I have my build sheet and it does indeed refer to my coils, but all it says is:

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ZFXP Spring - Left Rear
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Maybe those "Z" numbers coordinate somehow with the 19/60 rubric, though I'm not sure how . . . .
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I do have my build sheet but it does not refrence my springs. Mine does not have a "Z" listing. it stops at "Y".

Im going to assume that i have the stock JKUX springs which are going to be very soft b/c i do not have a tow package or hardtop.

The real reason for me asking this question is i wanted to find out if by adding some 19/60 rubi springs, i would get some lift. Also i plan to order some heavier bumpers and dont want my current suspension to sag too much.
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I have my build sheet and it does indeed refer to my coils, but all it says is:


Maybe those "Z" numbers coordinate somehow with the 19/60 rubric, though I'm not sure how . . . .
c'mon man, you and I both know its the monkey's just messin with him, right?


BTW, for anyone following my "build" here, I just made a final change and swapped the ProComps for Skyjacker hydros. As this is my daily driver much more than a weekend toy once a month, I think the PC valving would have made for much too stiff a ride, especially with the stiffer springs. Considered the Rancho 5000s (9000s were out of budget) and think the Ranchos would have been too stiff as well. Love other thoughts on this if anyone has some but I'm pretty sure the SJ's are going to do fine in the limited time I'm off road and feel pretty nice when I'm driving to the office.
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I do have my build sheet but it does not refrence my springs. Mine does not have a "Z" listing. it stops at "Y".

Im going to assume that i have the stock JKUX springs which are going to be very soft b/c i do not have a tow package or hardtop.

The real reason for me asking this question is i wanted to find out if by adding some 19/60 rubi springs, i would get some lift. Also i plan to order some heavier bumpers and dont want my current suspension to sag too much.
That would be a safer assumption if you had a 2 door. With a 4 door, the odds are you've got pretty stiff springs. My 4 door is technically a Sport S with a soft top and no tow package, but it came with 17/58 springs and got very little lift from going to a 19/60 swap.
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That would be a safer assumption if you had a 2 door. With a 4 door, the odds are you've got pretty stiff springs. My 4 door is technically a Sport S with a soft top and no tow package, but it came with 17/58 springs and got very little lift from going to a 19/60 swap.
I can live with very little lift as long as it also supports the added extra weight of full steel bumpers with tire carrier and a winch and does not sag.
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I can live with very little lift as long as it also supports the added extra weight of full steel bumpers with tire carrier and a winch and does not sag.
My point is that they may or may not be much stiffer/sag resistant/taller.

My recollection is that springs go from 13-19 for the front and something like 54-60 for the rear. If you're presently at 17/58, just how much stiffer/sag resistant/taller do you think 19/60 will be? I don't know whether the numbers get sturdier at an even rate as they go up, or whether there's a big jump going to that last number.

So unless you're willing to bet that either you've got really low current spring numbers or that even if you have higher numbers the jump to 19/60 will add a lot of sturdiness, I'd look elsewhere. Specifically, I'd look for a solid but basic aftermarket coil lift that is designed to handle the kind of aftermarket weight you'll be adding--i.e., TeraFlex 2.5", Rock Krawler Stock Mod, OME 2", etc.

It doesn't sound to me like you need to head into the premium lift territory, but I wouldn't go with 19/60s just based on a hunch about your current coils given that you've got a 4 door. JMHO, though. Up to you.
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MTH, you are probably right but i have been trying to decide what to do with my rig. I was originally set with a 2.5" terraflex coil lift but thought that going with rubi take offs would have been cheaper.

O welll, back to the drawing board....this forum gives to much good info. lmao...too many decisions to make.
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MTH, you are probably right but i have been trying to decide what to do with my rig. I was originally set with a 2.5" terraflex coil lift but thought that going with rubi take offs would have been cheaper.

O welll, back to the drawing board....this forum gives to much good info. lmao...too many decisions to make.
Ohh, you're talking Rubi take offs. Year, those are even more likely to be the same springs you have now. I definitely wouldn't do that. It could work out of course (i.e., you may have some really weak springs and could happen upon Rubi take offs that are really stiff), but it's unlikely. As between themselves, 4 door to 4 door is essentially random for spring rates. If you at least ordered 19/60s from Chrysler you'd at least be certain to get 19/60s.

If money's tight, why not install your heavy stuff and see what happens? You could then just buy some coil spacers of an appropriate size to lift up a bit and compensate for the sag. Not exactly the fanciest solution, but it'd work and look good.
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I have my build sheet and it does indeed refer to my coils, but all it says is:


Maybe those "Z" numbers coordinate somehow with the 19/60 rubric, though I'm not sure how . . . .
ZDGP Spring - Left Front=52126316AC
ZSHP Spring - Right Front=52126317AC
ZFXP Spring - Left Rear=68004458AA
ZUXP Spring - Right Rear=68004458AA


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...this is what i installed. 60/19 springs and regular ole bilstein gas shocks.

...still very happy with the choice.
I was thinking of doing this same thing for my 2012 JK 2D Sport Auto.

Is there anything else I should put on if I do the 19/60 springs and Bilstein HD shocks or will that be good for now? Don't know if I should put disco's or anything else. Will I do any damage to other components just putting on the stiffer springs and HD shocks?

Also, the Bilstein HD's are made for a 0" lift, correct? I assume what I am doing is considered a 0' lift since I am doing just stock (just stiffer) springs? BTW, I'll be going from 14/56 springs.

Awesome info on the this forum!

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Hey Dag, this your set up?
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Doing the same set up and looking forward to it.

Did you gain an inch or two on top of the stock set-up?

Kind of surprised by the "upside down" rear shock set-up.
I think I'd rather have the shock body on the bottom not the boot...

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Wish I knew you were looking, just put my 18/59 and shocks on ebay
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Doing the same set up and looking forward to it.

Did you gain an inch or two on top of the stock set-up?

Kind of surprised by the "upside down" rear shock set-up.
I think I'd rather have the shock body on the bottom not the boot...
Found that to be odd with the rear shocks myself haha
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Why not try the TeraFlex 1.5" Performance Leveling Kit? You get NEW coils 2" front and 1" rear + links. And its under $400. I have to think this will give you the look your after with the takeoffs.

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