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Old 07-15-2010, 04:07 PM   #1
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Chrysler Smart Computer

Recently installed a Superchips Flashpaq in my 2010 Jeep Wrangler Sport and am very pleased with the results. While talking to an off road shop about changing my gears, I mentioned the Superchip and they told me that every 90 days I need to disconnect my battery and reinstall the program because Chrysler products have smart computers that will sense a change in the stock program and automatically set it back to stock. Has anyone heard of this claim or actually had this happen. It sound like a snake oil salesman to me since I did not purchase the Superchip from them. Please respond. Thanks

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I didn't hear about the 90 days/battery thing, but

I have heard that-THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO ELIMINATE THE INTRUDER RECORD IN THE JEEP COMPUTER !!

Then any warranty work you want to have done--may be trouble

I think there has to be a case of somebody having warranty work --AFTER THE SUPERCHIP USE-and letting you guys know !!

My AEV ProCal use, IS a little simpler in design !!

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the computer will not flash back to stock on it's own. how? the PCM has backup memory? if this were the case, every single PCM, TSB, or TCM flash, including the recalled trans flash, would reset itself every 90 days.

if a dealership digs deep enough they can find anything but they have to have a reason to dig that deep and be willing to pay a tech to do it.

that being said, why would a dealership pay a service tech hours to hunt down a trace or code, just so you can be denied warranty coverage? and even then, it has to be PROVEN your computer/engine modifications caused the issue.

possible for a dealer to discover you tuned the engine, even if you flash back to stock? absolutely.

likely they'll dig deep enough to find it? no
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You have to remember GH, any dealer doesn't have to do ANYTHING, all they have to do is tell you "NO" warranty denied

Look how many cases you've read about, where a simple lift caused the owner to get his diff/xfer case/drive shaft-etc REPAIR DENIED

You know you are right when you take your problem to the dealer and it's so easy for them to say "NO" warranty denied

It's happened to me several times, for over 50 years, except now as soon as you've registered your trouble, your VIN/NAME/problem is locked into the chrysler hardware, so swapping dealers doesn't always work---

There's only one way and thats for "YOU" to raise hell with managers/area controllers/ Chrysler Corp-----OR----Attorney, it's never easy and never cheap

I've won some and lost some and that was before the internet

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Guys: My issue is not warranty. Its the computer and whether it will eliminate my Superchips program after 90 days. I have already spoken with my dealer and he is aware of the Superchip install and does not have a problem. If they need to do anything with the program we will simply set it back to stock, do their thing and then I will re-load the performance program. So all I am concerned about is the computer doing it on its own.
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@ JIMBO ^^ X2

We agree JIMBO. Just about everything that involves money transfer becomes difficult in the details. Everybody tries to maximize their side of the equation. There is a small silver lining here though. In every purchase of a jeep, there is a slice of money set aside that jeep uses to cover warranty work. It is just about enough money plus a little bit to cover the absolutely needed repairs and some slush to try and keep customers happy. They know that they cannot please everybody all of the time but they do please some of the people some of the time....me scratches head...where have I heard that before?
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---OK---Forget my comments !!

I don't know the answer to your problem--sorry !!

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We cross posted, sorry.
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Have you posed this question to the Superchip people? Their engineers should be able to give you a definitive answer and you can post it back here to squelch any ugly rumors.
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Yes I have contacted Superchips and they says its pure BS Just checking to see if anyone on this forum had heard this claim or actually had it happen.
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Who did you talk to at Superchips or was it just one of their tech phone guys?
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Well, if Superchips says that it is pure BS then posting the question here to expect an answer from a possible qwack or several seems somewhat counter productive and may perpetuate the false claim into urban legend. Just contemplating out loud .
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You have to remember GH, any dealer doesn't have to do ANYTHING, all they have to do is tell you "NO" warranty denied

Look how many cases you've read about, where a simple lift caused the owner to get his diff/xfer case/drive shaft-etc REPAIR DENIED

You know you are right when you take your problem to the dealer and it's so easy for them to say "NO" warranty denied

It's happened to me several times, for over 50 years, except now as soon as you've registered your trouble, your VIN/NAME/problem is locked into the chrysler hardware, so swapping dealers doesn't always work---

There's only one way and thats for "YOU" to raise hell with managers/area controllers/ Chrysler Corp-----OR----Attorney, it's never easy and never cheap

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oh I know, I hear it all the time about folks being denied work, even for dumb stuff. I forget who posted it, but I remember reading a story of a guy who's exhaust manifold, or something cracked and the dealer tried saying it wasn't covered due to his lift.

I think though dealerships, and alot of repair shops in general, bank on ignorance though. it's like, I don't know...say a stock jeep has a programmer installed. the owner then breaks an axle shaft. jeep can't deny the claim since that programmer has nothing to do with suspension.

some folks don't know and get swindled. my girlfriend's Cobalt made noise. I diagnosed it as a wheel bearing. still under warranty, I told her to make Chevy fix it. she came back all scared. the dealership told her the rotors had rust and needed replaced, new brake fluid, pads, and she needed a coolant flush. she doesn't know any better. I took it up a few days later wearing my work clothes (I look like a mechanic) not a word said to me.

sometimes shops are predatory like that. I don't know of any cases though where a jeep was flashed back to stock and work was denied. I'm sure there are some, but it's not common like the other mods we do. it's all risky with a warranty. it's not like looking at a jeep and seeing mods to blame a failure on. they actually have to hunt for traces of that programmer. and even then, it's law, and on jeep, to prove the programmer caused a failure to the questionable component.
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oh I know, I hear it all the time about folks being denied work, even for dumb stuff. I forget who posted it, but I remember reading a story of a guy who's exhaust manifold, or something cracked and the dealer tried saying it wasn't covered due to his lift.
I posted the story. It actually happened to the owner of JK-Forum.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/thi...ift-52886.html
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Yes I have contacted Superchips and they says its pure BS Just checking to see if anyone on this forum had heard this claim or actually had it happen.
I promise you, with the right scanner, tech, and time, that programmer can be found.

jeep WILL DENY work if damage is caused to the transmission, engine, or driveline. my jeep is chipped, and I'll be the first to tell you it's 100% possible to damage the engine or transmission with one of these if you play with stuff you don't understand.

I bet I can fry my transmission, blow the head, and damage the pistons and throttle body in 2 miles I don't have the tools to find it, but the compression and shift schedule got logged somewhere and the various sensors WILL rat you out if the dealer looks hard enough.
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I posted the story. It actually happened to the owner of JK-Forum.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/thi...ift-52886.html
yeah that's it.

I remember now, you did post that.

check that story out OP.

but anyway, the computer won't revert back to stock unless you tell it to. from what I understand, the programmer overwrites the entire programming of the engine, transmission, and all involved sensors including TPS and O2.

it's like with the oil change light, ESP on lifted jeeps, or having the gas light turn on while climbing hills offroad...the jeep doesn't know you already changed the oil, or aren't rolling over, or climbing a hill.

it's just a PCM...not SKYNET
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GroundHawg is correct. The modules can damage a vehicle, but it is a rare occasion. I know Edge will back up their modules if they cause a problem. I have never personally heard of a dealership denying warranty due to a module, but I know it can happen. Edge makes some good stuff.
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GroundHawg is correct. The modules can damage a vehicle, but it is a rare occasion. I know Edge will back up their modules if they cause a problem. I have never personally heard of a dealership denying warranty due to a module, but I know it can happen. Edge makes some good stuff.
I could be wrong, but I think Superchips does too.

I've seen 2 issues so far caused by a programmer as far as damage goes. the first was an engine pinging. this was due to the engine running too lean. a 93 octane program was flashed, with 93 fuel in the tank. something was just wrong with program and I couldn't correct it.

the other issue I've seen was a jeep wouldn't start due to an improper upload of the tuning. this was easily corrected though by simply reinstalling the tune.

but since you can alter shift patterns, and manipulate the speed and rev limiters, in addition to compression modifications, serious damage can be done. this is just performance tuning. towing with the MPG tune, driving around town on the crawl tune...I'm sure you can start stripping gears and seriously upsetting an already fussy auto trans.

it's with any modification. you upset the preset factory engineering that's gone into design. tires do it, lifts, bumpers...programmers too. there's risk of damage or injury is always there if done improperly, and attention isn't paid to the design.
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Okay Guys I give up. I was not looking for an education on how aftermarket performance mods effect manufacturers warranty. I was simply asking if anyone knew if the Chrysler computers would erase a performance program automatically after ninety days. I am sure this is a bunch of S---T but I was looking for any real world experiences if they existed. I am happy to report that I have received numerious responses on Superchips Forum stating that the only way to get the performance program out is to do it yourself. By the way, I owned a 2005 Mustang with aftermarket duels, cold air inducton kit and performance module and never had a problem with my dealer. I simply told them what I did and asked the to let me know if they needed to do anything to the computer and I would set it back to stock and then return the performance program after they were finished.
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hey! don't you yell at us!!!

the honest truth is, we're a lonely bunch here. it's like the Island of Misfit Toys. we don't get many visitors to talk to us, so we start rambling. society has outcast us to this "Internet nursing home" where we're forgotten about.

I mean, jk'n is like 40 and lives in his parents basement where he broadcasts 90's Techno music on AM stations with a transistor. jimbo lives in an abandoned one room school house with 20 cats and lives in the middle of the desert. me, hell I don't even have a jeep.

you must forgive us. not many people come around here. we just want to talk about things.

ok I gotta go. I traded a bologna sandwich for one hour of net time with my cellmate and it's almost time for light out.

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Now holdit, there's some particulars that go with this story


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hey! don't you yell at us!!!

the honest truth is, we're a lonely bunch here. it's like the Island of Misfit Toys. we don't get many visitors to talk to us, so we start rambling. society has outcast us to this "Internet nursing home" where we're forgotten about.

I mean, jk'n is like 40 and lives in his parents basement where he broadcasts 90's Techno music on AM stations with a transistor. jimbo lives in an abandoned one room school house with 20 cats and lives in the middle of the desert. me, hell I don't even have a jeep.

you must forgive us. not many people come around here. we just want to talk about things.

ok I gotta go. I traded a bologna sandwich for one hour of net time with my cellmate and it's almost time for light out.

please come back........please...........
I'm not saying it ain't true, but--here's the facts

My 1 room schoolhouse is the stage prop, for the series "Little House on the prarie" and it was trucked to the Fallon naval Air Base bombing area, for the Navy "top guns" to PRACTICE--

I ain't been hit yet and it isn't 20 cats (hate cats), it's 5 Armadillos !!

Nah--I actually live 15 minutes from the "Mustang Ranch" here in NorNv !!

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I could be wrong, but I think Superchips does too.
Superchips is actually owned by Edge Products and Edge Products is owned by MSD. Yes they are all good, but I prefer Edge Products.
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I'm not saying it ain't true, but--here's the facts

My 1 room schoolhouse is the stage prop, for the series "Little House on the prarie" and it was trucked to the Fallon naval Air Base bombing area, for the Navy "top guns" to PRACTICE--

I ain't been hit yet and it isn't 20 cats (hate cats), it's 5 Armadillos !!

Nah--I actually live 15 minutes from the "Mustang Ranch" here in NorNv !!

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oh yeah that's right! it's these meds the asylum has me on I think. makes my head mush. I mixed you up with InfernoGirl...living in a rusted out 82 CJ abandoned in the woods with cats living under the hood. I'm so envious of the good life.

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oh really? I didn't know that. I thought SC was it's own thing. I'm not surprised though. it seems like every company is owned by another. like how there's really only 4 different companies, or jeep, dodge, and Chrysler are all the same.

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