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Old 01-04-2014, 06:18 AM   #1
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Cold Air Induction vs. Snorkle

Was wondering besides the benefit of deeper water fjording (sp?) what is the value of a snorkel over a much cheaper cold air induction kit? I really like the look of the Snorkles but they has a high cost. Opinions welcomed...

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Old 01-04-2014, 06:23 AM   #2
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If you want to play in the water.....do NOT even consider the CAI!
Hydrolock is MUCH more expensive than a snorkel!
Just make sure the snorkel is actually functional and will keep water out of your engine.

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A snorkel is a true cold air intake! some will disagree..
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Just search jk snorkel on eBay and there is an AEV knockoff that is a cheap alternative. I've seen it and like it with a good fit and finish but It is a knockoff so its up to you.

The snorkel will hurt performance at low speeds being a little more restrictive but once you get going it will actually help air flow with the ram air at the top.

As said a cold air does nothing but make hydro locking easier so grab a snorkel if you want to bomb through water
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Save your money for worthwhile mods. If you plan to run deep water then a snorkel is money well spent. A CAI is a waste of money on the JK.
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A "cold air" intake is not really cold air. It sits right there in engine bay. However, it DOES NOT increase risk of hydro lock. It sits right where the stock box sits so if you can hydro lock a CAI then you can hydro lock the stock box in the same situation. There is no increased risk with a CAI.

If you're truly after functionality then you need a snorkel. That is the true cold air intake. However, it looks ridiculous so make sure you really really want it.
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Any of them that sits in the engine bay is really a short ram. For it to be a CAI, it needs to more out of the engine bay. Like a snorkel or low enough that the outside air gets to it.

You can always opt for a drop in filter instead. Allot cheaper (40-60 bucks) & they're washable. Ether a dry flow that doesn't involve oiling or an oiling filter.

I've read by many that the CAI doesn't do anything for jeeps. It might if you are performance upgrading the jeep. It's probably worth more to get the Sprint booster instead.
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Thank you all for the information. I think waiting a bit and saving for the snorkel will be best for me based upon what I read here.

Thanks again.

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Personally, I don't care for the looks of a snorkel. In dusty trails the air could be cleaner if using a snorkel.
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Which snorkel is the least intrusive to install as far as cutting?
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Which snorkel is the least intrusive to install as far as cutting?
the rugged ridge one
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A "cold air" intake is not really cold air. It sits right there in engine bay. However, it DOES NOT increase risk of hydro lock. It sits right where the stock box sits so if you can hydro lock a CAI then you can hydro lock the stock box in the same situation. There is no increased risk with a CAI.

If you're truly after functionality then you need a snorkel. That is the true cold air intake. However, it looks ridiculous so make sure you really really want it.
Actually it DOES because of the more open nature. The stock box actually has holes so that if a small amount of water goes in, it will drain out. That open filter will get soaked and the engine will suck it in.
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I'm not likely to do either after reading about the forum member who had engine warranty denied because issues involving a mopar CAI (that was installed by the dealer).

Given the choice though, snorkel

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Does anyone know if a snorkel will fit on JK with the 50" LED light-bar mounts? I know that it attaches in the same place as the mount. Also, does the snorkel whistle at high speeds?
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Yes& no. Depends on where it sits.
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Was wondering besides the benefit of deeper water fjording (sp?) what is the value of a snorkel over a much cheaper cold air induction kit? I really like the look of the Snorkles but they has a high cost. Opinions welcomed...

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If you are getting the snorkel ONLY for looks, save your money.
Stickers are much cooler looking and much cheaper.

I have a CAI on my Jeep and, while it does make it louder and is obviously easier to clean, I wish I had the stock box so I could put a snorkel on.
I have been stopped too many times when my headlights touch the water and I have to back out.
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Save your money for worthwhile mods. If you plan to run deep water then a snorkel is money well spent. A CAI is a waste of money on the JK.
Agree that the CAI has no place for anyone looking to do deep water fording.

However, I disagree that it is a total waste of money: I found it to be the simplest, most effective way to give your JK a nice, deep growl without screwing around with the exhaust. The exhaust is a very difficult component to tune right because of the risk of creating drone, etc.

I love the sound of my JK with the Mopar CAI: reminds me of the 4.0 I-6 in my prior Cherokees.

I do offroad regularly but I won't put a snorkel on my JKs: IMO, adding a snorkel is the equivalent of putting an obnoxious wing and loud fat can on a Civic.
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Based on your post, you are not looking for any benefit other than thinking a snorkel is cool, or the CAI makes your Jeep sportier. In other words, you are just itching to do something to your Jeep...like the rest of us. However, IMO, there are only two types of snorkel Jeepers (1) The true Indiana Jones type that have the need because there is no way around that body of water, or (2) the "I'm more adventurous than you because I have a snorkel" Jeepers. I'm sure there is third type, but those are far and few in between.

IMO, leave the stock intake as is, it works really good, and you don't have to deal with the headaches of a CAI or snorkel. Spend your money on something that actually adds value.
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However, I disagree that it is a total waste of money: I found it to be the simplest, most effective way to give your JK a nice, deep growl without screwing around with the exhaust. The exhaust is a very difficult component to tune right because of the risk of creating drone, etc.
I totally disagree with your statements. A CAI is not the most effective way to give your JK a growl and the exhaust is not a very difficult component to tune.

A CAI is not effective, at all, if you hydrolock your engine. In other words, the little bit of "meaow" you get out of a CAI has no value added if you ruin your engine...just not worth it.

Not sure what you mean by the difficulty of tuning your exhaust. You just have to sit in front of your PC, research mufflers, ask questions about drone, and order one. That's how I ended up with my aFe catback, zero drone, and a nice growl. There are others with zero drone, but the aFe was definitely the most inexpensive at ~250 - 300 bones.
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Somebody please post the funny cartoon video of why you want a snorkel. Can't find it.
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I totally disagree with your statements. A CAI is not the most effective way to give your JK a growl and the exhaust is not a very difficult component to tune.

A CAI is not effective, at all, if you hydrolock your engine. In other words, the little bit of "meaow" you get out of a CAI has no value added if you ruin your engine...just not worth it.

Not sure what you mean by the difficulty of tuning your exhaust. You just have to sit in front of your PC, research mufflers, ask questions about drone, and order one. That's how I ended up with my aFe catback, zero drone, and a nice growl. There are others with zero drone, but the aFe was definitely the most inexpensive at ~250 - 300 bones.
As I wrote above, I am not recommending CAI for anyone fording rivers.

Regarding exhaust being simple to tune, that is NOT so.

I went through this with my Challenger 392. You can listen to all the video clips and read all the comments you want, it will never sound like it is when you are driving the car. What I found out is, those who claim a particular system has no drone is more that either drone doesn't bother them, or they can't hear it.

Sound, turns out, is the most personal of all tweaks, and the hardest to get tight. Every person's ear picks up frequencies differently, so what works for one person, doesn't work for another.

OEMs go through great lengths to eliminate unwanted frequencies from the vehicles we drive. The moment you start screwing around with the exhaust be prepared to open a can of worms.

Despite what some like to say, aftermarket exhaust systems with zero drone do not exist. By definition, when you open up the exhaust be prepared to invite drone back in.

There's nothing worse than spending hundreds or thousands of dollars replacing the exhaust, only to end up driving for hours and hours with an annoying drone in the vehicle.

With a CAI, you are altering the sound at induction, making the sound more manageable.

I agree with on snorkels: they are poser item no. 1
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As I wrote above, I am not recommending CAI for anyone fording rivers.

Regarding exhaust being simple to tune, that is NOT so.
Maybe it wasn't simple to you, but it has been very simple to me...or maybe I've been lucky. It seems that's the first thing I do when I get a new car...change the crappy restricted muffler. I've been lucky to have done more than a handful in my times and the only time I had an issue was with a Mustang. I went through two vendors until I found one without drone. I don't call it difficult because I do enjoy turning a wrench though. With this Jeep, I read threads, asked questions, and someone recommended the aFe right before I spent double the money for a Corsa. Took his advice and it's perfect. I've done the same thing with other cars and have always received great advice.

I don't know how wide the drone frequency is, but the consensus seems to be similar from ear to ear.

Now, I may be old school, and may need a firmware update, but it used to be that your mouth had to match your arse. In other words, if you open up your intake, you need to open up your exhaust or resistance is futile.
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Despite what some like to say, aftermarket exhaust systems with zero drone do not exist. By definition, when you open up the exhaust be prepared to invite drone back in.

There's nothing worse than spending hundreds or thousands of dollars replacing the exhaust, only to end up driving for hours and hours with an annoying drone in the vehicle.

With a CAI, you are altering the sound at induction, making the sound more manageable.
Brother, I don't know what you guys smoke in CA, but I want some.
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I have a K&N "dry air bag" covering my K&N intake. It keeps water out.
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Brother, I don't know what you guys smoke in CA, but I want some.
Please, keep it civil. This has nothing to do with CA. Like I said, if you don't hear it, it probably is that it doesn't bother you. But this doesn't mean it will work for everybody.

But in the end, why even spend any money in an exhaust on a JK; it is one of the first things you are going to have to fix after your first day rock crawling...
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I have a K&N "dry air bag" covering my K&N intake. It keeps water out.
Hmmm...I should look into this!
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Hmmm...I should look into this!
yup, K&N dry air bag, like $35. It's universal, fits over most cone filters. The combination of CAI and exhaust makes for a nice growl. No sense in a jeep sounding like a mini-van. IMHO.
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yup, K&N dry air bag, like $35. It's universal, fits over most cone filters. The combination of CAI and exhaust makes for a nice growl. No sense in a jeep sounding like a mini-van. IMHO.
Agree!

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But in the end, why even spend any money in an exhaust on a JK; it is one of the first things you are going to have to fix after your first day rock crawling...
I have an afe Hi-Tuck exhaust and although my JK is strictly a daily driver, I don't think it would take damage like many exhausts.

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