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Old 01-26-2013, 04:07 PM   #1
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Considering a 2-dr Wrangler Sport S

Prospective Jeep new guy here. I'm seriously considering a 2013 Sport S two-door. Basically, I like its looks; I'm driving a Honda Element now, but it's getting old (145,000 miles). I don't want a sedan, don't want another pick-up, the Element has been discontinued, SUV's in general have no personality, etc., etc. Mostly it'd be an every-day driver; I commute about 40 miles round-trip, freeway optional. I live in Michigan, and it snows a lot. So I guess I'd like to hear the opinions of owners of similar vehicles on the following:

1. How are they in snow?
2. How reliable are they? Some reading I've done suggests not too reliable, others say they're indestructible.
3. How bad is that gas mileage, anyway? i mean, sure, I've read the factory specs, but . . .

I realize that this is probably not the most practical car in the world, but I'm thinking of it as a bad-climate sports car, if you follow me.

Thanks for whatever insight you can share. Oh yeah, why is called a JK on the forum?

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It doesn't snow in South Carolina but if you can avoid the interstate I get almost 20 mpg.

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1. They are rear wheel drive/4wd, not AWD....keep that in mind. Get good tires, drive slow, and you will be fine.

2. Very subjective... It isn't a Honda....it is a Jeep. Take it for what it is worth. I guess it really depends on what you are looking for.

3. For a 2 door, stock Sport S? I'd say the factory specs are pretty close.
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I feel that we need to address a very important part of your initial post.....a "SPORT" Wrangler of ANY year only means it has different options/ or trim. The engine or suspension is not "tuned" or "massaged" to make it any better.

That being said...it will not be "like your Honda". IMO Hondas are like sewing machines highreving machines with a heritage of racing.

Jeeps are pretty much the opposite side of the spectrum. Made to handle bumps whoops, mud and snow. You will INTERACT with a Jeep you don't just "drive it".

You have to make choices as far as which, if any, 4wd is needed, or if 2wd is enough.

Snoop around here a little and ask more questions, I am sure they will come up.

FWIW...I live in northern IN and while our winters are not near like yours, I will not be without a JEEP. We have 2 my TJ (made between '97and '06) and the wife's JK made from '07 to present.

There was a major transmission and motor change made in '12 and some people have had issues with that motor. IMO it is a relatively small and acceptable number. Our '12 JK has 18K on it with NO ISSUES.

I like Jeeps and because of that if I were you I would not hesitate at all to get one for up there.

One last thing...from Fort Wayne to South Haven MI takes us about 2.5 hours. Cruise is set at 75 once we get in MI and we average 22-23mpg..in IN we are slowed to 55-65mph that is part of that mpg. My wife gets 18-20 around town.

We do have the much maligned 3.21gears.....there are threads on that issue as well.

OBTW JEEPS LOVE SNOW the DEEPER THE BETTER!!

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Old 01-26-2013, 04:45 PM   #5
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I have a 2012 2-door sport S and I get 19 mpg on the interstate doing 70/75. I get 21-22 mpg driving 55-60 on the state/country roads. I do NOT use this as my daily driver, it's my weekend toy. I have a Chevy Cruze for my daily/interstate commute to work.

Honestly, I hate driving my car ever since I got my Jeep. I take it everywhere on the weekends and my kids love it. There's nothing better than having the top down and the doors hanging in the garage. I haven't had it out in the snow yet, We have had lots of cold weather here, but not much snow.

It's a Jeep, most people either love'em or hate'em. I'm in the love'em group.
I wish I would have bought it 20 yrs ago!

Just do your research before you buy, they are definitely not anything like a Honda.
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Bought a 2012 2DR Sport eleven months ago.

"SUV's in general have no personality,"

This was one of the two main reasons we bought the Jeep. The Wrangler Jeep looks like no other. The second main reason was we wanted another convertible which we really enjoyed last summer. . The third reason was the 4WD for the winter. We got 20 -22 on trips last summer and 18 -20 around town. It does not drive or ride like a SUV. It drives like Jeep. So beware.
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Old 01-26-2013, 05:20 PM   #7
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I live in MI, have a 07 2door, so its not excatly what your looking at but enough to give you my views.
First of all let me say no matter would I not have a wrangler. I daily drive mine about 22,000 miles in the 13 months I have had it. It is fairly modified so some things don't transfer over to what your looking at.
I would suggest a 4 door, longer wheel base will feel better on the bumps in the road, the extra room especially coming from an element. I love my two door but would transfer everything over to a 4 door if I could.
MPG is close to what specs say, until you add mods. Numerically low gearing will help with mpg but will hurt acceleration.
I can't tell you how stock tires do in snow. I run mud terrains so the deeper the snow the better. This light snow/ice mix sucks for me in 2wd. 4wd is no problem. The esp works really well kicks in quick and let's the back end slide very little.
I much rather drive my jeep than my ram in the winter.
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Old 01-26-2013, 06:11 PM   #8
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Prospective Jeep new guy here. I'm seriously considering a 2013 Sport S two-door. Basically, I like its looks; I'm driving a Honda Element now, but it's getting old (145,000 miles). I don't want a sedan, don't want another pick-up, the Element has been discontinued, SUV's in general have no personality, etc., etc. Mostly it'd be an every-day driver; I commute about 40 miles round-trip, freeway optional. I live in Michigan, and it snows a lot. So I guess I'd like to hear the opinions of owners of similar vehicles on the following:

1. How are they in snow?
2. How reliable are they? Some reading I've done suggests not too reliable, others say they're indestructible.
3. How bad is that gas mileage, anyway? i mean, sure, I've read the factory specs, but . . .

I realize that this is probably not the most practical car in the world, but I'm thinking of it as a bad-climate sports car, if you follow me.

Thanks for whatever insight you can share. Oh yeah, why is called a JK on the forum?

Bill
I daily drive my 2012 2 door sport S. I have the six speed manual and love it. I live in chicago and commute 23 miles one way to work, 46 miles daily. My jeep has 33" tires and that's about it stance wise. Lights, audio, and other creature comforts are a different story... My last couple of cars have been an AWD Saab 9-7x suv and a 4x4 chevy colorado. The Saab was the best by far in the snow but my wrangler has been great, almost on par with all time "all wheel drive" of the Saab. I can't say with scientific proof but the jeep definitely stops much better in the snow than the Saab. Maybe it's the weight but also the brakes are better regardless. Compared to an Element? I've driven two of them via test drives and friend's cars. You'll be much happier with a 2013 two door wrangler by far. Those few summer months with the top off are completely worth the purchase. Don't get a 2012 WHATEVER YOU DO!!! I have two 2012 2 door wranglers. One for my wife, Arctic, and one sport S for myself. Both have been in for multiple fixes at service. Something to do with the first year of the pentistar in 2012 wranglers. Ya, some idiots will say pentistars have been around for a few years, but what they forget is that it's the first year for a wrangler. As long as you stick with a 2013 you'll be fine and happy. Good luck and enjoy the jeep experience.

BTW, get new headlights, preferably the truck lite LED phase 7 lights. I have them on both of our jeeps. Stock headlights suck donkey BA$$@. And DO NOT believe some moron with a sign-on name of hilldweller on lighting. He's going to just quote DOT BS that makes no sense in the real world. Last I heard he's not even on this forum because most of us have claimed his crap as nonsense and he left. So, if you see those lighting threads just be weary.

Edit - I get about 20 miles a gallon if I drive conservatively in either the manual or auto 2012s. In reality you are looking at 18 MPG for mixed driving unless you drive like a mustang driver.

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Old 01-26-2013, 09:55 PM   #9
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I have a 13 2dr Sport S, 6spd, 3.73 gears, power conv, and hard top. I live in Colorado, so i drive in the snow often. The tires are ok, deep snow they suck. I will be switiching tires soon.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:22 PM   #10
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I have a 2 door sport and last winter we had a lot of snow and it had no problems at all. I traded a f150 for it because it was always having trouble with the least bit of drifts. This Jeep can go through 2 and 3 foot drifts like they were just nothing but air. There truly is nothing like a Jeep.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:22 AM   #11
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I live in Michigan, near the Saginaw Bay. My 2012 JK 2door is my daily driver, and I absolutely love it. To answer your questions:

1. How are they in snow? We've had snow on the ground for about a week, only about an inch or two, and so far so good.
2. How reliable are they? I have had no major mechanical problems, and I've had mine for almost a year.
3. How bad is that gas mileage, anyway? In the summer, I was getting around 19-22, depending on if I was driving only in town or on the highway. With cold weather here and using winter blend gas, it's dropped some but you don't buy a Wrangler for the mileage ... the fun factor is beyond any other SUV on the market.

Also, I just installed a Viper remote start and heated seats, and that's been very nice now that temps are in single digits in the morning. Next week I'm also having a light bar with off-road lights installed on the front bumper, and I'm thinking about new speakers in the sound bar because the OEM ones vibrate. Slush mats in Michigan are a must-have item, unless you plan to remove the carpeting.

As for the tires, I still have the OEM tires, but I never go off-roading. And I don't plan to add a lift or over-size tires to my Wrangler because that impacts so many other things mechanically, as well as MPG, that I just don't want to get into all that. (Although, I really like the look of those mods on other people's Jeeps.)

Finally, in the summer, if you remove the hardtop and doors, you only need the rear-view mirror to be legal in Michigan (my neighbor is a cop, so I'm sure he knows the law). And, if you DON'T remove the top and doors, you're really missing out on some of what makes driving a Wrangler such a unique experience.

I have a 2-door because 90% of the time I'm alone. My two sons (13 and 10 years old) by now are used to climbing into the back. For their needs, I had to install side steps and a grab handle on the passenger side roll bar.

Honestly, the hardest decision about buying a Wrangler is .... what color?
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:08 AM   #12
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I have the sport s with SR-A tires and they are actually pretty good in the snow. Better than the stocker honda rubber. I took mine through a foot of snow plus the berm left by the plow in 4 low like it wasnt even there. Gas mileage wont be close but you will enjoy driving it everytime unlike a honda. You wont have an anemic motor like a honda. Its still utility, and sport unlike honda. Sorry had a honda lemoned before the jeep and think honda and its service are POS, the new motors are terrible especially the 2.4. People are impressed having jeep they always ask what kind, etc. Tell them you have a honda and thats where it stops..lol Bottom line get a Jeep. You will love it. I have a 12 volvo s60 awd with all the goodies and would rather drive the jeep. JMHO, hope it helps.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:23 AM   #13
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Just don't consider it k, get it. You'll be glad you did. Wait, there's more. JK is a model designation starting with the change over from the TJ model in 2007. T and J doesn't have a specific meaning either. The JK designation is from 2007 until the present. The letters J and K really don't have a specific meaning. It's basically what Chrysler engineers and corporate decided what would be appropriate. "J" doesn't specifically mean Jeep, but it could if you wanted. It's as simple as that.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:40 AM   #14
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I bought a 2 dr. 12 Sport auto and have 12,000 miles on it and love to drive it, gas mileage 19 to 20, 4 door would ride better. I put Rancho 9000 XL shocks on and it rides a lot better, they are adjustable and for the road I dial them down. I find the head lights to be ok others do not. Do as I did and read the posts here to get what fits your needs, (auto,gears,top,and packages) If you are like the rest of us you will get hooked and start looking for your next mod. And don't forget have fun doing it!
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if you remove the hardtop and doors, you only need the rear-view mirror to be legal in Michigan (my neighbor is a cop, so I'm sure he knows the law).
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/ve...nts_8583_7.pdf

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Mirrors Outside rear view mirror on driver's side, properly adjusted.
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i traded in my beloved 350Z for a 13 JK Sport and never looked back. i wanted a vehicle that i could LEGALLY have lots of fun with. highway patrol doesnt really like me doing 160+, but they dont mind me rolling around with a bunch of jeeps in the mud. catch my drift?

i drove mine in minor snow, and a lot of ice this winter. 4H can be done on the fly at pretty good speed too.

i have had no mechanical problems yet that i have not caused. i feel a LOT more comfortable working on this thing myself.

gas mileage isnt great, but considering what you are driving it isnt bad. with the new 3.6 i average 17 with a good mix of city and highway, and i have a lead foot. everyone with a 3.8 will hate you :-)
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Outside rear view mirror on each side if view through rear
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Gosh, maybe I forgot how to read:

Outside rear view mirror on driver's side, properly adjusted. Outside rear view mirror on each side if view through rear window obscured.

As I interpret this, the vehicle is required to have one mirror that provides the driver with a view of the outside of the vehicle, or mirrors mounted on the outside of the vehicle if the view through the rear window is blocked somehow.

I think YOU'RE wrong MR. Smartypants.
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Gosh, maybe I forgot how to read:

Outside rear view mirror on driver's side, properly adjusted. Outside rear view mirror on each side if view through rear window obscured.

As I interpret this, the vehicle is required to have one mirror that provides the driver with a view of the outside of the vehicle, or mirrors mounted on the outside of the vehicle if the view through the rear window is blocked somehow.

I think YOU'RE wrong MR. Smartypants.
Can not say for Michigan, but I know it is as described above for CA. Driver's side mirror mandatory. Buddy got stopped for it and the cop explained it exactly as above.
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I daily drive my 2012 2 door sport S. I have the six speed manual and love it. I live in chicago and commute 23 miles one way to work, 46 miles daily. My jeep has 33" tires and that's about it stance wise. Lights, audio, and other creature comforts are a different story... My last couple of cars have been an AWD Saab 9-7x suv and a 4x4 chevy colorado. The Saab was the best by far in the snow but my wrangler has been great, almost on par with all time "all wheel drive" of the Saab. I can't say with scientific proof but the jeep definitely stops much better in the snow than the Saab. Maybe it's the weight but also the brakes are better regardless. Compared to an Element? I've driven two of them via test drives and friend's cars. You'll be much happier with a 2013 two door wrangler by far. Those few summer months with the top off are completely worth the purchase. Don't get a 2012 WHATEVER YOU DO!!! I have two 2012 2 door wranglers. One for my wife, Arctic, and one sport S for myself. Both have been in for multiple fixes at service. Something to do with the first year of the pentistar in 2012 wranglers. Ya, some idiots will say pentistars have been around for a few years, but what they forget is that it's the first year for a wrangler. As long as you stick with a 2013 you'll be fine and happy. Good luck and enjoy the jeep experience.

BTW, get new headlights, preferably the truck lite LED phase 7 lights. I have them on both of our jeeps. Stock headlights suck donkey BA$$@. And DO NOT believe some moron with a sign-on name of hilldweller on lighting. He's going to just quote DOT BS that makes no sense in the real world. Last I heard he's not even on this forum because most of us have claimed his crap as nonsense and he left. So, if you see those lighting threads just be weary.

Edit - I get about 20 miles a gallon if I drive conservatively in either the manual or auto 2012s. In reality you are looking at 18 MPG for mixed driving unless you drive like a mustang driver.

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Hmm. My 2012 6-speed is fine. No issues. 4500 mi. 373 gears. Totally impractical and that's why I love it. I love the 3.6. Great power. Softtop is remarkably quiet considering. Love the sunrider sunroof too. Wife hates it but understands. 18-21 mpg according to the dash. 3yr old son loves it much to chagrin of my wife. Love the top down when warm. Drive something else if your going shopping. That's pretty much it.
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3. How bad is that gas mileage, anyway? i mean, sure, I've read the factory specs, but . . .

I realize that this is probably not the most practical car in the world, but I'm thinking of it as a bad-climate sports car, if you follow me.

Thanks for whatever insight you can share. Oh yeah, why is called a JK on the forum?

Bill
I commute about 30 miles each way, 60 miles round trip. I can also avoid the interstate which I have done since I got my JKU in November. I get about 19-20 mpg most weeks. I am in Northern IL and while we haven't had much snow this Winter, when we did, the Jeep was excellent in it!

When the dealer asked me why I was looking at the Jeep, without hesitation I said, "I want a 4 wheel drive convertible!" So I completely understand you wanting a bad climate sports car. Although the Jeep will def not run like a Ferrari, it's still pretty bad ass!
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Gosh, maybe I forgot how to read:

Outside rear view mirror on driver's side, properly adjusted. Outside rear view mirror on each side if view through rear window obscured.

As I interpret this, the vehicle is required to have one mirror that provides the driver with a view of the outside of the vehicle, or mirrors mounted on the outside of the vehicle if the view through the rear window is blocked somehow.

I think YOU'RE wrong MR. Smartypants.
As I read it, an outside mirror on the drivers side is required in addition to the interior mounted rear view mirror. If the view through the back is obscured, then you're required to have outside mirrors on both driver and passenger side.
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I live in Mi, got pulled over in my doorless xj because he couldn't talk I had a side mirror. I had it mounted on the side of the dash looking out. He gave me a warning because it is suppose to be outside the vehicle.
In my jk I ran around a lot with no mirror on the side. Never got pulled over, but still wasn't legal.
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Do what I did. Rent one. It did not take long to understand. I picked up my '13 2-door 2 weeks ago. Will not be without a Jeep from now on.
If gas mileage matters, get a Prius.

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