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Old 10-28-2010, 12:10 PM   #31
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Everything I read that is posted by Jeep owners says Jeeps are great!!! But companies like Consumer Reports, JD Powers, say that the overall reliability, owner satisfaction, etc. are not that great.

I am pretty close to buying a Sahara or Sport but don't want to regret my decision to not closely adhere to the recommendations of the people who make a living rating cars.

Just wondering... I must be missing something here.....

Thanks for your insights here, cause I don't have any.
The Wrangler is not a car, never was and never will be. If you want a car, go buy a Honda Civic.

Once you get a Jeep, you will realize the difference the first time it snows, pours rain so hard you can't see or take it off road. As Jeep owners, we shift our frame of reference from CAR to OFF-ROAD beast. We realize the intended purpose of the Wrangler and base our satisfaction accordingly. It really is a Jeep thing.

But, based on your response, you may want to settle for a Toyota Highlander, Nissan Exterra or other similar SUV. If you ever intend to take the vehicle off-road on trails or in the mountains while there's snow on the ground; get the Wrangler!
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We've had several Wranglers, and NEVER a problem that cost anything to fix. But, ours aren't modded either. I think a lot of the problems are caused by modding....and who does them. My wife drives one all the time, and has never regretted it. I can't even interest her in LOOKING at other vehicles.

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These are all great points, thank you! While another vehicle might work for me, I want the top off and the sun in my face. And I never want to have someone push my car up the hill in the snow again or worry about traveling at night in bad weather. And I do really like the way they look.
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We all hate our Jeeps. That's why we spend countless hours discussing them here and thousands of dollars on accessories and mods, and take them on all kind of boring off-road trips. They're just awful.
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These are all great points, thank you! While another vehicle might work for me, I want the top off and the sun in my face. And I never want to have someone push my car up the hill in the snow again or worry about traveling at night in bad weather. And I do really like the way they look.
Kaching...! Ring it up! We've got another convert!

If you want an affordable convertible & a REAL 4-wheel drive fun machine, the Wrangler is really the only way to go (at least here in the USA).
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I've been regularly mislead by CR for decades.

2 of the very vehicles they raved about being most excellent (granted, 30 years ago) I bought after due consideration but reached the tipping point because of their supposed expertise in such matters.

Both turned into Extremely Bad Deals after the first 50k miles.

One would think the likes of CR and "Car and Driver" etc could put together a report that matched MY own experience ---on a wide range of items.

The best I can expect from any of them, this board included, is to be made aware of what others have reported in their own experience.

The final authority on whether the soup is edible is NOT the cook OR the cafe owner...it's the hungry customer sitting down and digging in.

That Jeep can hardly built 'em fast enough, and that even beater Jeeps are in high demand, must account for something which is not measured by Consumer Reports.

But do NOT expect a vehicle like any other. If you want another garbage report that is highly tuned to a suburban pavement flatlander audience by people who otherwise have an enjoyable informative program, check out what Click and Clack have to say about Jeep. The point of course, is their experience/audience are unreformed flatlanders looking for something else other than something "that rides like a buck board"/etc.

There are people who swear AT Jeeps, and others that swear BY Jeeps.

A magazine can't tell which you will be.
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That is a great question. I have wondered that as well, I just recently purchased a 2011 jeep after researching them for a long time.

I can tell you that it is more likely to be in the shop than a Honda. That is reality. I can also tell you you are going to want/spend more money tricking it out. So a jeep is going to cost you more to own than another vehicle.

But why I went with Jeep is it is awesome to go from paved to unpaved without a second thought, and how many vehicles are made to take the top and doors off.

At the end of the day you have to enjoy what you drive. Have you heard of permagrin well I have Jeepagrin. Good luck in making your decision.
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i've been regularly mislead by cr for decades.

2 of the very vehicles they raved about being most excellent (granted, 30 years ago) i bought after due consideration but reached the tipping point because of their supposed expertise in such matters.

Both turned into extremely bad deals after the first 50k miles.

One would think the likes of cr and "car and driver" etc could put together a report that matched my own experience ---on a wide range of items.

The best i can expect from any of them, this board included, is to be made aware of what others have reported in their own experience.

The final authority on whether the soup is edible is not the cook or the cafe owner...it's the hungry customer sitting down and digging in.

That jeep can hardly built 'em fast enough, and that even beater jeeps are in high demand, must account for something which is not measured by consumer reports.

But do not expect a vehicle like any other. If you want another garbage report that is highly tuned to a suburban pavement flatlander audience by people who otherwise have an enjoyable informative program, check out what click and clack have to say about jeep. The point of course, is their experience/audience are unreformed flatlanders looking for something else other than something "that rides like a buck board"/etc.

There are people who swear at jeeps, and others that swear by jeeps.

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i believe its because non-jeep people buy them then hate the ride, the fact that you have to shift into 4 wheel drive, ( no button to push, )
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I went from a car to a jeep not long ago and can already say I'll never own just a car again. I've already lifted it, new tires, new flares and I still have a list of over a dozen more mods. I can make it custom to me, not matter how many other jeeps I see mine can be unique to the group.
Even at work with the road construction they were pointing ppl to either wait or go into the grass, no prob, pop the curb and go about my business without a second thought while everyone else is waiting for the convoy to allow them trough. So much more is open to you know. Never found a better vehicle for my adventure treks
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I agree. I think many buy because they think they want a Jeep but expect a luxury vehicle for the price. But the jeep has little to do with luxury for the most part but more for the adventure. Those of us in it for the adventure love the Jeep and very little on the market could compare but those buying a Jeep thinking they are buying a Toyota are disappointed and skew the consumer report. I hope the Jeep is never one of those other vehicles but rather stays one of those beat on the chest beast, I am the king of the jungle, vehicles that most here love.
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Maybe it's because the newer jeeps really do suck. All kidding aside a Jeep is the type of vehicle that if you really do use it to it's potential chances are you will have to turn a few wrenches to keep up on the maintenance, think of them as an old VW Westfalia Van, they are great for what they were built for but sometime they can be finnicky & do require work, they aren't for everybody.
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Eff Consumer Reports.
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Maybe it's because the newer jeeps really do suck. All kidding aside a Jeep is the type of vehicle that if you really do use it to it's potential chances are you will have to turn a few wrenches to keep up on the maintenance, think of them as an old VW Westfalia Van, they are great for what they were built for but sometime they can be finnicky & do require work, they aren't for everybody.
Consumer Reports and other Mags only like the Plush vehicles. They all hated the hummer , fj cruiser , Wrangler, Tacoma, anything really made to go off road. They also have a history to have been bought out by certain manufactuers. Toyota was one of them. For example the pre-rated the 2007 Tundra was rated as a great vehicle without actually even having one in on the test site. That was the time when they had the cam issues cracking , causing you to loose engine power and possibly crash, especially durring heavy towing. long story short, they got into major trouble, Toyota had consumer reports bought and paid for , by giving them editiors free vehicles as a leverage tool for their false high ratings.

I have learned one important thing in the automotive industry, buy what you want , not what people tell you to. I love my Jeep Wrangler, I love getting in and driving it. PLus, not many vehicles today have front solid axles with a very high amount of aftermarket. Plus very easy to work on.

All those pretty over rated luxury vehicles have their own electrical issues. No vehicle is perfect as far as issues. I had a few different branded vehicles in my life, and I must say, I love the Jeep Product.

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My problem with Consumer Reports and JD Power is that they compare the Jeep to other SUVs and Trucks. Trouble is the Jeep is unique. What can you truly compare it to? The Jeep is built specifically to be able to go off road, to go where other vehicles can't, out of the box. No other vehicle on the market can make that claim. It's made for offroad use, but can be driven on roads as well. Everything else is made for the roads, but can be driven offroad. So of course it's going to come up short when you compare it to a Honda CR-V or a Toyota Rav4.
I wouldn't even pay attention to what they have to say about the Jeep. Check places like this and the offroad mags for what the enthusiast thinks.
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My problem with Consumer Reports and JD Power is that they compare the Jeep to other SUVs and Trucks. Trouble is the Jeep is unique. What can you truly compare it to? The Jeep is built specifically to be able to go off road, to go where other vehicles can't, out of the box. No other vehicle on the market can make that claim. It's made for offroad use, but can be driven on roads as well. Everything else is made for the roads, but can be driven offroad. So of course it's going to come up short when you compare it to a Honda CR-V or a Toyota Rav4.
I wouldn't even pay attention to what they have to say about the Jeep. Check places like this and the offroad mags for what the enthusiast thinks.
If anything it is Consumer's Reports / Car and driver , ETC : why I never bought a Jeep Product earlier in my life. I always had like the older Grand Cherokees, but with the constant body slamming of the Jeep Brand Quality by these car magazines , I was affraid of buying one. My JK is one of the most fun to drive vehicles I ever had. Plus they are a real CHICK MAGNET.. .lol Everytime I pull into a gas station with my Jeep, Someone will always talk to me about it. Try to get that in a CRV or RAV-4...lol

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Jeeps were designed to fulfill a requirment in the Armed Forces the design was to enable the forces to send and E-1 pvt to a 90 day tech school and throw him in the motorpool with a basic understanding of how to fix a Jeep. At 6 months you had a guy that could work with minimun supervision and at a year he could make all repairs. The Jeep is one of the only vehicles left on the road that you can still work on without a electrical engineering degree. If your looking for dependability where else are you going to get something that routinely gets 200,000 before a rebuild then will go another 200,000?
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NO auto enthusiast ever reads that trash known as consumer reports. It's one of the most biased magazines you can find. Visit any auto enthusiast forum and they will tell you the same thing, CR is garbage. To get real world evaluations, I would suggest Edmund's Insideline, they do year long testing on a lot of new vehicles.

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From my personal opinion, I love the Jeep for what is and what it isn't. The best way to figure out if you really want a Jeep is to drive one. Find a used one and drive it. A lot of dealers even allow weekend test drives on used vehicles.
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I am curious as to whether you folks have any thoughts on why there is such a disparity on the topic.

Thanks for your insights here, cause I don't have any.
It's simple really; they're a bunch of pussies.

C'mon, you were all thinking it.

Here's an excerpt from Season of the Bike by Dave Karlotski that sums up the care experience that Consumer Reports is after:

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Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep."
Jeeps don't do that.

Jeeps stay in your face. Jeeps don't drive or park themselves. Jeeps are not appliances. Jeeps gots soul. Jeeps are the best toys in the sandbox. You don't need to brush yourself off before getting in a Jeep. A Jeep sleeps at the foot of your bed; a car is something you rent on a business trip to Albuquerque. Dogs and Jeeps are tied as man's best friend. Jeeps have no generic equivalent.
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Hey, we are all jeep lovers here. It is going to be hard to find someone here to say something bad about their jeep. All you have to do is check out what they do to or with their jeeps. We are all, sadly to say (with a sh^+ eating grin) jeeples. Jeeple: jeep people. I have a friend who berates me because his Honda Ridgeline is so highly rated by CR and he mocks me at any hint of problems...especially when I decided on another jeep when Chrysler bought the first one back after leak, leak, leak. He just doesn't get it. The replacement leaked in the same spot....he really berated me. But the dealer solved it and it hasn't leaked since. I call it a false start...Chrysler made a satisfied customer out of me. I expect it to leak again....eventually. I'll solve those leaks myself. Other than that one issue, I've put gas and oil into it. My current jeep has just shy of 42,000 on it now. Every one of those miles with a smile on my face. wOOt!
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hsng, I hope you're soaking all this information up. I think it's already been said in the above statements but let me share this with you. I wanted to get a jeep as I somehow got the urge to start to go 4 wheeling. Why, I'll never know I guess. That being said, my wife is now driving it daily and stated just a few weeks after owning it that she doesn't foresee us ever being without a Jeep Wrangler. This coming from a prim and proper 1st grade teacher who absolutely loves going out driving topless (top down rather than bearing her ta ta's). There is something difficult to describe in being a Jeep owner that is intoxicatingly strange like bugs being drawn to a light after dark. Maybe it's the comrardarie (SIC?) of the wave, the helpfulness of other Jeep owners, or the thrill of 4 wheeling, I don't know.

I can say this though, both my wife and I love our Jeep to the point where my wife asks, "What mod are we saving up for next?"

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It's simple really; they're a bunch of pussies.

C'mon, you were all thinking it.
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Jeeps stay in your face. Jeeps don't drive or park themselves. Jeeps are not appliances. Jeeps gots soul. Jeeps are the best toys in the sandbox. You don't need to brush yourself off before getting in a Jeep. A Jeep sleeps at the foot of your bed; a car is something you rent on a business trip to Albuquerque. Dogs and Jeeps are tied as man's best friend. Jeeps have no generic equivalent.
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It's simple really; they're a bunch of pussies.

C'mon, you were all thinking it.

Here's an excerpt from Season of the Bike by Dave Karlotski that sums up the care experience that Consumer Reports is after:



Jeeps don't do that.

Jeeps stay in your face. Jeeps don't drive or park themselves. Jeeps are not appliances. Jeeps gots soul. Jeeps are the best toys in the sandbox. You don't need to brush yourself off before getting in a Jeep. A Jeep sleeps at the foot of your bed; a car is something you rent on a business trip to Albuquerque. Dogs and Jeeps are tied as man's best friend. Jeeps have no generic equivalent.
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I can say this though, both my wife and I love our Jeep to the point where my wife asks, "What mod are we saving up for next?"

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Make sure you keep her. I mean the wife too,,,lol. Not many women out there like that. You lucky guy...
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I can say this though, both my wife and I love our Jeep to the point where my wife asks, "What mod are we saving up for next?"


I like that bumper. Might be on my christmas list
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I like that bumper. Might be on my christmas list
I like it too, but it's a TJ bumper. The only remotely similar JK bumper is Rock Hard. And all I'm asking is a buper that 1) places winch inside not above, 2) takes stock fog lights, 3) is not narrow like ORfab. Unfortunately Rock Hard's rear only makes sense with a monstrous tire carrier, so I'm getting mad trying to find a matching rear bumper.
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Consumer Reports

If you look at Consumer Reports, they see there job as deciding what product is the "best deal" as far as quality, longevity, dependability, durability etc. for the price.

I decided a long time ago that their recommendations were useless because I wanted to know what was the best, not what is best for the price in their opinion.

Since a Wrangler looks like an overpriced, uncomfortable, outdated, gas hog SUV to them it is going to fail big time.

Car and Driver is certainly not going to understand anything that does 0-60 in 10 seconds, they probably think it's some kind of tractor or something.
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......don't buy a Jeep......if you are not passionate about owning a Wrangler you will be disappointed… when the top leaks you will complain….when you only get 15 mpg you will wine….when you hydra lock your engine running through a mud puddle you want to sue Chrysler…you are not jeep material......go buy a Toyota Camry.
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Car and Driver is certainly not going to understand anything that does 0-60 in 10 seconds, they probably think it's some kind of tractor or something.[/QUOTE]

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