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Old 03-02-2008, 04:54 PM   #1
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Wrangler Unlimited gets ripped by consumer reports

Consumer Reports gave the Jeep Wrangler unlimited a measly 17 score out of 100. Pretty sour response and definitely not deserved. of course, they dont account for off-road capabilities...

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Does anyone even read consumer report's anymore?
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Of course. The Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is a lousy car, and a pretty crappy minivan too!

But I'd like to see a few of the vehicles that outscored it try to follow off the pavement after soccer practice...
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Have any of the Wranglers received good reports?

My wife tells me to "stay away from cars" when I leave the house now. We can joke about it being "safe when off road", but it's really failing when it comes to collision tests. Jeep should be able to produce a good and safe car. They sure charge for it!

I think that we need to get away from the blind allegiance that we have and put pressure on Chrysler to produce a higher level of quality.
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In a Seinfeld episode, George bought a LeBaron owned by Jon Voight, instead of the Volvo he was shopping for. Jerry said he thought George was going to buy a Volvo because it was a Consumer Reports pick. George replied, "What consumer? I'm the consumer". My feelings exactly.
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Consumer Reports gave the Jeep Wrangler unlimited a measly 17 score out of 100. Pretty sour response and definitely not deserved. of course, they dont account for off-road capabilities...

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Have any of the Wranglers received good reports?
My wife tells me to "stay away from cars" when I leave the house now. We can joke about it being "safe when off road", but it's really failing when it comes to collision tests. Jeep should be able to produce a good and safe car. They sure charge for it!
I think that we need to get away from the blind allegiance that we have and put pressure on Chrysler to produce a higher level of quality.
I don't believe the standards at Chrysler have dropped, but that due to all the new designs and features becoming available, they make the standards higher. And since the jeep doesn't change as much as the others do they fail. Look how many time the body style changes on some cars. Jeeps run a good 8 or 10 years, sometimes more with just little minor changes inside. The wrangler can't compete with the hybrid cumputer techno cars they make any more without it becoming a Hummer. I like the JK, but if the trend continues, they will eventually look like all the other vehicles on the road. I'm happy knowing if I t-bone a Prius, he eats with my bumper and I get a little air bag dust in my nose.
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If you want a vehicle for off road buy a Wrangler. If you want to be safer buy the Grand Cherokee. If you want a safe car to go down the road buy a car with good crash test rating. The JK is as technologically safe as can be today without sacrificing off road performance. IMHO. Range Rover makes a pretty good alternative, but I don't want to pay for it. Also kg4kpg I like the air bag dust lol.
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I don't believe the standards at Chrysler have dropped, but that due to all the new designs and features becoming available, they make the standards higher. And since the jeep doesn't change as much as the others do they fail. Look how many time the body style changes on some cars. Jeeps run a good 8 or 10 years, sometimes more with just little minor changes inside. The wrangler can't compete with the hybrid cumputer techno cars they make any more without it becoming a Hummer. I like the JK, but if the trend continues, they will eventually look like all the other vehicles on the road. I'm happy knowing if I t-bone a Prius, he eats with my bumper and I get a little air bag dust in my nose.
Hmm! If you lifted your jeep a little bit more you could avoid the Air bag dust completely Just pretend your a monster truck at a rally crushing cars!
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Have any of the Wranglers received good reports?

My wife tells me to "stay away from cars" when I leave the house now. We can joke about it being "safe when off road", but it's really failing when it comes to collision tests. Jeep should be able to produce a good and safe car. They sure charge for it!

I think that we need to get away from the blind allegiance that we have and put pressure on Chrysler to produce a higher level of quality.
A Jeep Wrangler is not a car. Harleys don't do well in crash tests either, but it doesn't mean harleys have poor quality..........
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A Jeep Wrangler is not a car. Harleys don't do well in crash tests either, but it doesn't mean harleys have poor quality..........

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Have any of the Wranglers received good reports?

My wife tells me to "stay away from cars" when I leave the house now. We can joke about it being "safe when off road", but it's really failing when it comes to collision tests. Jeep should be able to produce a good and safe car. They sure charge for it!

I think that we need to get away from the blind allegiance that we have and put pressure on Chrysler to produce a higher level of quality.
You know the Wrangler is not the only jeep vehicle on the market.

The Wrangler is rugged and pointed more towards off road usage. I hate using it on the highway but then again I guess that is why we have a Mustang in the drive way. Then again I actually feel more safe in my jeep then the Mustang...If I have to swerve off the highway into muddy grass I wouldn't be stuck like if I was in the Mustang.

Perfect example I just got done in St Louis doing a 5 day training program for the union and we had about a foot of snow that covered everything along with a nice sheet of ice under it. They told everyone to stay inside and let the roads melt before even trying to get into your vehicle. Well I was starving and had to go get food so I jumped in my jeep and ran across town. I was one of the few actually outside besides the plow trucks. Everyone but me was spinning tires and stuck in the middle of the road. My Wrangler lived up to the expectations that I have for it. If I had to get to the hospital for any reason I could have made it because my Jeep could have made it when others would have been stuck waiting for an ambulance.

When I need the off road capability it will perform up to what it is meant to do. I did slide some where there was more ice then snow on turns but if I took it slow I was good to go (shouldn't be going 40 on ice and snow anyway).

I have seen what the stock roll bar looks like after some serious roll overs and crash's at a jeep junkyard and I do feel that the stock roll bars should be made to withstand more then just one serious roll over. Then again that is why we have a plethora of after market stuff you can get to beef up the safety of our Wranglers.

It comes down to this...

Don't buy a Wrangler if all you want it for is the looks and just want to use it as a Mini Van.

until Jeep beefs up the safety of the Wrangler, invest the money into making it a safer vehicle for you and your family because how much is a life worth?

Better Traction Tires= ~$150 a pop
After Market Roll Cage= ~$1,000
Jeep Body Armor= ~ $500

Knowing your family can have fun in your jeep and be safe in any condition = Priceless.....

That's how I look at it at least.

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Old 03-23-2008, 03:57 PM   #14
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hah fuck consumer reports, those pussies dont know how to take a jeep offroad.
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:45 AM   #15
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I hope people still read consumer reports, if you want something to safely haul you little ones around, yeah, you should check them out. It's a good guideline to compare your needs/wants to. But you need to be realistic about what your needs/wants are.

When I had little ones, I had a caravan....good, safe kid hauler, drove it till it died, could pack up three kids, clothes for five for a week, groceries, one great dane, two boxers and two pugs, two guinea pigs and a rabbit (all at once) and manage to survive a fairly long trip. I am starting to see the unlimiteds around here be a replacement for that as some folks don't want a Mom mobile, but it becomes nothing more than a mom mobile that was not designed to be one.

I want to guess Consumer Reports are rating it as a family car and the dealers (at least around here) are marketing it as a family car.
If it is all about hauling family around, it is not the way to go and I do think Jeep is trying to get the best of both worlds marketing it this way.

When I went to the dealer for mine, they had an unlimited X with leather heated seats and a blingy dashboard, hubby pointed it out to me and said I could go with something like that, I thought it was a complete contradiction to the whole point of having a jeep.

Levinoss, I agree...one of the reasons I went with the jeep is because one, I have job that expects me to be there no matter what the weather and country roads in a snowstorm make for a long white knuckled drive. We are moving out to our country place which is even more in the boonies (if we ever can sell) and if you have a car, you are pretty much snowed in....in really foul weather I'd have hubby give me a lift in the truck but it's a 19' long dually and even with four wheel drive, it's a bit a of bitch....now I can give him a ride instead.
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One should always buy, for their needs. A Wrangler is not a mini van, nor was it ever intended to be. That should go without saying. But alas, we have reached an age of intelligence that can put people on the moon, yet we have to put warning labels on everything. Like don't put your hand under your lawn mower, when it is running. I would not want to haul little ones to school everyday in a Wrangler, but I am not one that needs a consumer report to tell me that it would be more practical, in a van, or a liberty, etc.
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Bluvikng, aside from getting around in snowstorms and not tearing my whole front end up due to our awful Northern IL roads, I bought for completely self indulgent purposes. LOL!
For some reasons, I think it's the most sensible vehicle I purchased and yeup, as a daily driver it is also the most unpractical thing I've ever owned but what the hell...I needed some fun in my daily life and went into it knowing that. For once I didn't have to buy for family needs, I got to buy for me.

Not one regret. I've had my jeep for just two weeks, every day I drive it I love it more and more.
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hospital for any reason I could have made it because my Jeep could
It comes down to this...

Don't buy a Wrangler if all you want it for is the looks and just want to use it as a Mini Van.

until Jeep beefs up the safety of the Wrangler, invest the money into making it a safer vehicle for you and your family because how much is a life worth?


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Have any of the Wranglers received good reports?

My wife tells me to "stay away from cars" when I leave the house now. We can joke about it being "safe when off road", but it's really failing when it comes to collision tests. Jeep should be able to produce a good and safe car. They sure charge for it!

I think that we need to get away from the blind allegiance that we have and put pressure on Chrysler to produce a higher level of quality.
Actually, the Wrangler is quite safe! Not an award winner, but still not bad.
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Those people at consumer reports sure are a fun bunch. "Remember when we took the minivan for ice cream? Good times. Don't drop any on the upholstery."

I would advise them to retest the jeep, take the top off and flush out their heads with some fresh air to gain some perspective. Then again, a balance between having fun and being practical is a jeep thing, they wouldn't understand.
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What about reliability?

I have a Boerboel puppy that is quickly outgrowing my Accord coupe. Ive decided a Jeep is the only way to go, but CR gives the Wrangler bad reliablity ratings. What problems should I expect?

Looking at 05/06 2dr Unlimited versions.
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My brother has a 1997 Sahara with well over 100K miles and its VERY relaible. So I can only assume the new jeeps 11 years later are even better. He used his sahara to drive back and fourth to college, went on alot of long road trips and it never failed him. He still drives it everywhere and it still looks just as awesome as any other jeep on the road. After a few years on most cars, the style completly changes and the owners are wanting to trade them in because they look old. Jeep looks are timeless. If you take care . Infact my brothers jeep inspired me to get mine and I plan to keep it for ever.

I wouldnt hesitate making an unlimited wranger a family car. It may not be as smooth of a ride as a Tahoe or pathfinder. But they are alot cooler in my opinion. Before I bought mine a friend told me chrysler is junk and I should get a toyota 4-runner. My replay was that they suck, the top doesnt come off. Where is the pimp factor in a "4-runner" for example? If I wanted a car specifically because it rides smooth, safe, good gas, and can still hold up to a little hills and dirt I would have gotten one of those little Saturn SUVs or something. But I wanted something that is fun to drive and turns heads.
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Pimp factor? Maybe our use of the word is completely different. LOL, I got a jeep because it has no pimp factor, it doesn't scream look at me, it screams not fancy but it holds up to serious crap, off and on road. It's a pair of truly worn out blue jeans, worn out the real way vs paying a butload to have it all done fake. It's I paid for solid rugged parts, not plastic chrome and cheesy looking rims. It says I am not too good to play in the dirt and still go out in public before I hose off and think nothin of it. It says it looks just as good dirty.

Pathfinders, hummers, that other weird toyota thing that is out, even todays current land rovers....overpriced soccer mobiles and over compensating for short comings.
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What about reliability?

I have a Boerboel puppy that is quickly outgrowing my Accord coupe. Ive decided a Jeep is the only way to go, but CR gives the Wrangler bad reliablity ratings. What problems should I expect?

Looking at 05/06 2dr Unlimited versions.
None.
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Consumer Reports - not so good

Everything I read that is posted by Jeep owners says Jeeps are great!!! But companies like Consumer Reports, JD Powers, say that the overall reliability, owner satisfaction, etc. are not that great. I am curious as to whether you folks have any thoughts on why there is such a disparity on the topic. I am pretty close to buying a Sahara or Sport but don't want to regret my decision to not closely adhere to the recommendations of the people who make a living rating cars. Take a look at Edmunds of KBB on the web and the consumer reviews are outstanding. Just wondering... I must be missing something here.....

Thanks for your insights here, cause I don't have any.
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It depends on what you want to use it for.

If you want a car to cruise around on the street with you may not be satisfied. Solid axles make for a rough ride. You would probably be better off with a Miata.

If you want a hard core off-road machine get a Rubicon and mod it up. I’m sure you will be quite satisfied.

If you want something in between you may be quite happy with the Sport. You have to make sacrifices in street ability for off-road ability. You may be happier with a 4X4 Suv of some kind. It won’t do as well off-road but street manners will be greatly improved.

It takes a special kind of person to own a Jeep and enjoy it.
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The BeerKing is correct. Not everyone is a "Jeep person". I kind of PREFER the feel of the Jeep to other softer rides. I've had several Wranglers, and the quality is good. I've had very few problems.....but I had to fix em myself. Little noises and rattles mostly.
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The BeerKing is correct. Not everyone is a "Jeep person". I kind of PREFER the feel of the Jeep to other softer rides. I've had several Wranglers, and the quality is good. I've had very few problems.....but I had to fix em myself. Little noises and rattles mostly.
Thanks for your thoughts. I like jeep because it isn't all cushiony...I just want to know I can rely on it. I want a functional, practical multiple-purpose vehicle that gets me thru snow, is fun to drive and will carry me, my husband and my dog wherever we want to go. And it can't cost a million $$$$.
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Well I don't claim to have any real answers for you, but let me present one theory that I have considered that might be skewing some results (or I just don't fully understand the ratings process, also very possible) for the quality ratings.

When JD Power Assoc rates a car on initial quality, I'm pretty sure they say they get that information by looking at the numbers given to them by dealers on how many of a given vehicle have come in for service within the first 90 days.

So, for example: if the dealer sells 200 Car X's, and they have 100 Car X's come in for service in the first 90 days, that's really not good. So the JD Power Assoc rating for initial quality will be low.

What I don't see any information on is whether or not they go solely based on the number of cars that come in for service, or if they weed out some based on whether or not there was an actual problem, or how major the problem was.

For instance, when I was shopping for my Sport, the salesman mentioned the tire pressure monitoring system and how it monitors all 5 tires. He then made an offhand comment about how "if I had a nickel for every new owner that brings their new Wrangler in for service because that light won't go off, when they had just forgotten to maintain air in the spare tire"....

So what about those Jeeps that are brought in for service, but don't actually have a problem? If they don't weed out things like that, I could definitely see the Wrangler having a bad score. I wonder how many people bring their Wranglers in because of leaks or soft top fitment issues when it turns out they hadn't installed it properly?

Now as far as owner satisfaction being low, if that's the case then there's no need to worry about ANYTHING they say, because just look around these boards.
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I would weigh the opinions of actual owners greater than someone who makes a living rating cars. They'll likely say the toyota FJ is more refined, blah, blah, and it probably is.
Your satisfaction will depend on what you want to use it for, and how well suited the vehicle is to that task. Is it the most comfortable - nope. Is it the quietest - nope. and on. will it get you places not many other vehicles can - yep.
It's really more about the experience with the vehicle, and that's what the car raters miss.

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