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Old 02-25-2012, 12:42 AM   #31
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The Sahara came with paint matched fender flares and silver inserts in front and rear bumpers,.
Except for the 07's

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Old 02-25-2012, 09:04 AM   #32
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Except for the 07's
My '07 Sahara has matching fenders as do all Saharas.

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Old 02-25-2012, 10:33 AM   #33
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I was referring to the bumper inserts! Not the painted flares.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:37 AM   #34
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I was referring to the bumper inserts! Not the painted flares.
Ok. Didn't the bumper inserts start in 2011?
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:16 AM   #35
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You mean Yj's with grill conversions. They take the front from a CJ. The giveaway is the tub area above the rear wheel where the word "wrangler" is stamped. The Yj was the first wrangler.
I accept that correction with thanks!

I'll keep a weather eye out for that stuff!
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:56 AM   #36
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i think to a large extent this is just about being around jeeps a lot. i've owned a CJ5, CJ7, a YJ, two TJ's, and now a JK. like twins dont look alike to their parents, a a CJ or TJ looks nothing like a JK to me. it has to do with differences in agularity, door and headlight shape, grill shape, etc. jhere's some of the easier things to look for: CJ5's have the curved s-shaped doors, CJ7's have square doors. YJ's have square headlights. TJ's have the rubber hood latches and went back to round headlights, as god intended. JK's have a slightly slanted grill and the big plastic fenders.

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Old 02-25-2012, 12:15 PM   #37
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Ok. Didn't the bumper inserts start in 2011?
I can't speak for certain on 07, but they have been around since at least 09.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:21 PM   #38
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Ok. Didn't the bumper inserts start in 2011?
My 08 has the silver bumper inserts...
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:54 PM   #39
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My 08 has the silver bumper inserts...
Thanks, can't believe I missed if that long. I stand corrected.
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Old 02-25-2012, 02:11 PM   #40
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The JK door/tailgate handles are different from all previous models.

If it has the really small/skinny tires, its an 06-09 X. Starting in 2010, they all started coming w/ 32inch tires standard.

An easy way to tell a JK from a TJ is to look at the front fender flairs I have found. They are all plastic on a JK, but are partially metal on a TJ. If you see one, you'll know what I mean.
I cant say this is true was with my buddy from college who was buying a wrangler.. We walked on the lot with 19 grand cash and walked away witha 2011 silver 70th anniversary 2 dr with dinky little 225's and 16's.
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:01 PM   #41
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2011 and 2012 exterior and interior are the same. ( 07-10 ) with the hardtop smaller windows.

I own a 2011/ you can tell when you see a 2012 - 2 ways
1. seems like most you can get the matching fenders and top !
2. they go faster
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:12 PM   #42
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The pentastar may be faster but I like the sound of the the 3.8's grunt... Is it just me? and how long is that 3.6 engine gonna last? It's pretty new do they have stats of it being 250,000miles+? Why couldn't they just boost the HP and torque in the 3.8? I'm confused like serious if your gonna change the whole engine put 2 more cylinders in their FFS it really bugs me that they pull this bull we all know they will drop a hemi or Diesel in their one day why so we can buy a new one it just makes me sick?!
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:30 PM   #43
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The pentastar may be faster but I like the sound of the the 3.8's grunt... Is it just me? and how long is that 3.6 engine gonna last? It's pretty new do they have stats of it being 250,000miles+? Why couldn't they just boost the HP and torque in the 3.8? I'm confused like serious if your gonna change the whole engine put 2 more cylinders in their FFS it really bugs me that they pull this bull we all know they will drop a hemi or Diesel in their one day why so we can buy a new one it just makes me sick?!
I was told , a diesel option may be coming very soon..
I think they should have did what Ford is doing with their V6 motors (eccoboost)
V6 mileage, V8 power. Twin-turbo charged, no lag / my fathers F150 has this motor - he gets 20+, and it is faster than a V8.

I like my 2011,3.8 V6 / it is no racecar, but it is the most fun vehicle I ever owned (except for 91,mustang race-car, but this was before kids)
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I was told , a diesel option may be coming very soon..
I think they should have did what Ford is doing with their V6 motors (eccoboost)
V6 mileage, V8 power. Twin-turbo charged, no lag / my fathers F150 has this motor - he gets 20+, and it is faster than a V8.

I like my 2011,3.8 V6 / it is no racecar, but it is the most fun vehicle I ever owned (except for 91,mustang race-car, but this was before kids)
Exactly I feel the same way best and most fun but man chrysler needs to step it up. I know it's not a race car but when I want to pass a semi on a one lane I wanna be able to smoke by without any hesitation not turtle by white knuckling realizing when the car approaching is getting pretty close that your realize bad idea and your foots to the floor pinning it full rev feeling as if its almost gonna push a rod. Even my mother in laws v6 rav 4 can go when it needs to no problem. The jeeps engine is lacking practical power which is dangerous
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:34 PM   #45
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You've just got the WRONG GEARS my man--the wrong gears !


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Exactly I feel the same way best and most fun but man chrysler needs to step it up. I know it's not a race car but when I want to pass a semi on a one lane I wanna be able to smoke by without any hesitation not turtle by white knuckling realizing when the car approaching is getting pretty close that your realize bad idea and your foots to the floor pinning it full rev feeling as if its almost gonna push a rod. Even my mother in laws v6 rav 4 can go when it needs to no problem. The jeeps engine is lacking practical power which is dangerous
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4.10 gears Didn't believe until I requested a factory build sheet maybe I'm just used to a v8 commander that had punch
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Honestly it just blows my mind and actually angers me because they Chrysler will throw in a hemi option for Jane doe
And her 4 monkeys in the commander but in the wrangler which is more less built for offroad they put in a friggen under power 6 cylinder? It just pisses me off cause when I did the trade the dealer kept saying the wrangler had tons of power...? Compared to what? A compass? Am I just being anal or do others feel me
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Yeah, thats too bad--4.10 gears are just shy of adequate for STOCK tires, but

Nowhere near the right gears for applied power !

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You're really laboring under a misconception--


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Honestly it just blows my mind and actually angers me because they Chrysler will throw in a hemi option for Jane doe
And her 4 monkeys in the commander but in the wrangler which is more less built for offroad they put in a friggen under power 6 cylinder? It just pisses me off cause when I did the trade the dealer kept saying the wrangler had tons of power...? Compared to what? A compass? Am I just being anal or do others feel me
There's absolutely no reason for a WRANGLER HEMI, for off-road use, other than the BAJA 1000 race !

The stocker /w gears will do anything off-road with the 3.8L v6--

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I hear ya jimbo its mostly just highway and passing big rigs that shows the lack of power we all know it am I right?
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I hear ya jimbo its mostly just highway and passing big rigs that shows the lack of power we all know it am I right?
Get the right gears-

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Been owning Jeeps since 1977. Too many differences for me to go into here. I am too old and just don't have the time. Shoot, I don't even buy green bananas.
I'm with Tom! Hells Bells, I got enough on my mind without having to worry about the different models!! I just want to recognize it as a Jeep!
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Even though I shouldn't have to spend thousands to re gear it should come geared enough to be able to get past a semi at 70mph It just bugs me how gutless it is and the engine should drop down a gear when you hammer on it to get moving then top out at say 3rd then switch to 4th instead of already being in forth. It's an auto btw and who thought it was a good idea to make a 4 speed automatic? I'm just baffled
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Even though I shouldn't have to spend thousands to re gear it should come geared enough to be able to get past a semi at 70mph It just bugs me how gutless it is and the engine should drop down a gear when you hammer on it to get moving then top out at say 3rd then switch to 4th instead of already being in forth. It's an auto btw and who thought it was a good idea to make a 4 speed automatic? I'm just baffled

I think you're right. The four speed auto sucked. If you have to regear this thing to get it to drive even half-way decent on the highway, then something is wrong. WAS wrong, I mean. The 5 speed auto in the '12 does much better. I've had both 3.8 with auto and 3.6 auto, both with 3.73 gears, and I think the 5 speed auto finally gets it right. I was too much reminded of my anemic subaru with the '09 auto. The new one is just fine. With stock tire sizes, there is no good reason anyone should have to regear to get a jeep to perform acceptably on the highway. I'm glad my 3.8 started knocking due to loose main bearings at 35,000 miles. I'm much happier with the new drive train. Especially the 5 speed auto.
I now like the new one as much as I like the old jeep with the 4.0 L engine. And that's a good thing.

Just my thoughts.

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I think you're right. The four speed auto sucked. If you have to regear this thing to get it to drive even half-way decent on the highway, then something is wrong. WAS wrong, I mean. The 5 speed auto in the '12 does much better. I've had both 3.8 with auto and 3.6 auto, both with 3.73 gears, and I think the 5 speed auto finally gets it right. I was too much reminded of my anemic subaru with the '09 auto. The new one is just fine. With stock tire sizes, there is no good reason anyone should have to regear to get a jeep to perform acceptably on the highway. I'm glad my 3.8 started knocking due to loose main bearings at 35,000 miles. I'm much happier with the new drive train. Especially the 5 speed auto.
I now like the new one as much as I like the old jeep with the 4.0 L engine. And that's a good thing.

Just my thoughts.

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I completely agree I've noticed as well that in order to get up to highway speeds it's hard to without climbing way over 3k rpm. The best as I can explain is I will ease into the gas pressing it harder and harder then after its past half way it will then send the rpms shooting to the roof burning optimal gas and almost feels like I'm racing the engine. I will try to keep the revs low and slowly gain speed but without doing this it would take like 3 times longer to get up to speed and buddy behind me would be chapped. I just feel like the pedal doesn't have good response I'll be slowly pushing it but not gaining much or any speed, rpms will hover has around 2-2.5k then at a certain point it will get some response and go. I'm not a lead foot but it's extremely hard not to be sometimes..!

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