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Old 04-15-2011, 11:57 AM   #1
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Lift and Light bar install pics before/after

Took a while to get everything done and finally get some pictures of it all. Here it is!


Removed Factory Splash Guard

Off Camber Fabrications Frame Light Mount

Had to cut the filler panels to mount straight through to the frame

Mount brackets underneath

Side View Before with stock SR-As and height

After with Trail Grappler MTs and lift

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Thanks to Melia (Ortizml86) for all the great help with the install and for ripping the skin off her hands to get this on for me. Light mount took the better part of a week to install correctly but if I had to do it again maybe only an 1hr or so. Splash guard was removed several days ago and I'm still running stock hood fasteners with no hood flutter. I have already ordered hood wranglers and will put them as soon as they arrive this week. The lift measured a little over 1" once mounted and really gives a great stance to the Jeep. Thanks to everyone for all the great advice and help. All of this was done in a garage with a 3 ton and 1 ton jack, axle stands, torque wrenches, dremel tool, and common hand tools.

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Looks great!

It's amazing what just a little extra on the tires and a little extra on the height can do for the appearance of the JK. The light bar looks good too. Will we see lights eventually?

How tall were the jack stands you used by the way? I'm debating if mine are sufficiently tall to get the task done . . . .

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looking good !

it seems sunny, top must come down !
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I'm planning on this lift along with unlimited Rubicon springs on my sport 2 door. I'm hoping to get 2 inches after all is said and done. (crossing fingers) I'm playing the stock as possible with as much lift as I can game.
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I was just kidding Jude, it looks good.
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I'm planning on this lift along with unlimited Rubicon springs on my sport 2 door. I'm hoping to get 2 inches after all is said and done. (crossing fingers) I'm playing the stock as possible with as much lift as I can game.
Compare the model numbers on the springs before you make the switch. Rubicons do not always have stiffer springs. Lets Solve the Stock Springs Question
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Looks great!

It's amazing what just a little extra on the tires and a little extra on the height can do for the appearance of the JK. The light bar looks good too. Will we see lights eventually?

How tall were the jack stands you used by the way? I'm debating if mine are sufficiently tall to get the task done . . . .

Don't listen to Daggo. He's just jealous that the girls still pay attention to you.
I don't remember exactly but the back axles were a little harder to get low enough to pull the springs off. The jacks were almost no big enough but it did work due to some creativity. When are you going to put those springs on? I could help man, an extra set of hands was invaluable during this.
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I could help man, an extra set of hands was invaluable during this.
Your hired! I ordered my Old Man Emus today along with the DayStars, which complete the package with the HD coils sitting in my shed.
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Your hired! I ordered my Old Man Emus today along with the DayStars, which complete the package with the HD coils sitting in my shed.
I'm free next weekend really any time would be good then.
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Compare the model numbers on the springs before you make the switch. Rubicons do not always have stiffer springs. Lets Solve the Stock Springs Question
Yep, already have done my research. I have the stiffest springs sitting in the garage. Just waiting on a day where I have the time and courage to get them on.
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I'm free next weekend really any time would be good then.
I'll let you know when they come in!
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I'll let you know when they come in!
Look forward to it! One more pic of the lift from a lower view to show the true height of it. Nice level stance.
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if i wanted to get this lift and pair it with some new shocks, would I need to get shocks meant for a 0"-2" lift-i'm thinking about Rancho RS9000XL 0-2" lift ones
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if i wanted to get this lift and pair it with some new shocks, would I need to get shocks meant for a 0"-2" lift-i'm thinking about Rancho RS9000XL 0-2" lift ones
So long as the shocks would work for 0" of lift, I would expect you'd be fine.

JKs come at a variety of stock heights depending on the strength of the coil springs used. The difference between heavy duty stock coils and the softest stock coils is often upwards of 2". As I understand it, this is why many aftermarket coil spring lift kits provide more lift than advertised--the kit is referring to the amount of lift expected over the hightest stock height, which most people don't have.

For this reason, I expect you could add 3/4" pucks or so and still be within the stock parameters for your shocks. This is why the original poster was able to keep his stock shocks. The same wouldn't be true though if you were to swap in heavy duty coils AND add the pucks.
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if i wanted to get this lift and pair it with some new shocks, would I need to get shocks meant for a 0"-2" lift-i'm thinking about Rancho RS9000XL 0-2" lift ones
There are two choices-remote ops, or manual knob settings-

I use the manual KNOB type, to many remote controls in this world, if you get the manual type, you might think about rotating the rear shock KNOBS toward the axle for rock/debris protection-thay have been know to break off !!

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If I do HD coils from the softest and a 3/4 inch puck should I go with shocks intended for 2-4 inch lift applications?
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If I do HD coils from the softest and a 3/4 inch puck should I go with shocks intended for 2-4 inch lift applications?
I would suggest 0-2.
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I would suggest 0-2.
In that case would you recommend riding on stock shocks til I decide which ones I want?
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If I do HD coils from the softest and a 3/4 inch puck should I go with shocks intended for 2-4 inch lift applications?
This is what I'm doing and I agree with Daggo. I ordered these shocks for 0-2" of lift by Old Man Emu (front, rear). (Psst - they're elligible for free shipping on Amazon, Q-tec wanted $48 to ship . . . .) If they get here this week, I'll be doing the install this weekend. I've hired the OP to help me out, and expect to compensate him handsomely with beer.

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In that case would you recommend riding on stock shocks til I decide which ones I want?
I won't be doing this, so I can't say from personal experience.

However, presuming you have a Sport or a pre-2011 Sahara, you'll be underdampened--heavy duty coils with light duty shocks. My expectation would therefore be that your ride would be very bouncy and your stock hydro shocks would eventually wear out prematurely. It would be alright for a limited period of time, but I don't think you'll particularly enjoy it.
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This is what I'm doing and I agree with Daggo. I ordered these shocks for 0-2" of lift by Old Man Emu (front, rear). (Psst - they're elligible for free shipping on Amazon, Q-tec wanted $48 to ship . . . .) If they get here this week, I'll be doing the install this weekend. I've hired the OP to help me out, and expect to compensate him handsomely with beer.

I won't be doing this, so I can't say from personal experience.

However, presuming you have a Sport or a pre-2011 Sahara, you'll be underdampened--heavy duty coils with light duty shocks. My expectation would therefore be that your ride would be very bouncy and your stock hydro shocks would eventually wear out prematurely. It would be alright for a limited period of time, but I don't think you'll particularly enjoy it.
Old Man Emu is what I was leaning towards actually. My problem is that they are going to the new nitrocharger sports now and they don't have a 0-2 variant. That I've seen anyways. I'd love to try the new style but I may just end up with the old kind. Let me know how the Niitrochargers go and I may seal the deal on them if it works good for you.
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So long as the shocks would work for 0" of lift, I would expect you'd be fine.

JKs come at a variety of stock heights depending on the strength of the coil springs used. The difference between heavy duty stock coils and the softest stock coils is often upwards of 2". As I understand it, this is why many aftermarket coil spring lift kits provide more lift than advertised--the kit is referring to the amount of lift expected over the hightest stock height, which most people don't have.

For this reason, I expect you could add 3/4" pucks or so and still be within the stock parameters for your shocks. This is why the original poster was able to keep his stock shocks. The same wouldn't be true though if you were to swap in heavy duty coils AND add the pucks.
so essentially, people lifting their Jeeps who originally had HD springs would get the advertised lift? whereas people with softer original springs would get a larger than advertised lift?

in that case I have the HD springs, so do you think that this would be a good match?
I'm guessing that because the Rancho 9000XL's are adjustable I will be able to compensate for the changed height/spring rebound ratio...Seems like I would be able to dial in a nice DD setting. Jimbo, would you agree?
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The strength/rebound/strength of the springs has nothing to do with the ACTUAL lift-that you install


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so essentially, people lifting their Jeeps who originally had HD springs would get the advertised lift? whereas people with softer original springs would get a larger than advertised lift?

in that case I have the HD springs, so do you think that this would be a good match?
I'm guessing that because the Rancho 9000XL's are adjustable I will be able to compensate for the changed height/spring rebound ratio...Seems like I would be able to dial in a nice DD setting. Jimbo, would you agree?
If you replace the springs with ADVERTISED 2/3/4/5/6" springs, then you'll get the advertised lift +untill they breakin/settle-

If you use PUCKS advertised at 2-3" then thats the lift you'll get-You should measure your fenderwell height before/after-and if the advertised lift is 2" and you end up at 21/8" SO WHAT ?

My ADVERTISED 2" RC steel spacers ended up with 2" overall lift-there will always be 1/8-1/4" variances because the jeeps all are not made by ROCKET SCIENTISTS, so there is a variance in dimentions-RIGHT OFF THE PRODUCTION LINE-

Thats the reason some (most), need new trackbars after a minimal 2" lift and some don't (I don't)

The RS9000XL shocks are a true comfort/sport/competition shock-you can dial just about whatever you want, but

If you have VERY soft springs, you'll need the RS shocks set higher on the 1-to-9 settings, 9 being very STIFF and because my RUBI springs are STIFF anyway, I run my RS shocks at "5" (normal) and set the rears at 9 when I pull the trailer-

Mine are manual adjustments, but you can get the "remote" system-

I like loud exhaust/stiff rides/manual adj most things (hate mud) !

Daggo has pointed out the last two digits of the coil springs will tell you the spring rate, so you might check the tags on your springs just for convenience !!

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The strength/rebound/strength of the springs has nothing to do with the ACTUAL lift-that you install

If you replace the springs with ADVERTISED 2/3/4/5/6" springs, then you'll get the advertised lift +untill they breakin/settle-

If you use PUCKS advertised at 2-3" then thats the lift you'll get-You should measure your fenderwell height before/after-and if the advertised lift is 2" and you end up at 21/8" SO WHAT ?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you Jimbox, but I've always heard (somewhat) different. No personal experience here mind you, just what I've "heard" . . . .

As I understand it, folks that install lifts with new coils routinely get more lift than advertised. For example, here's a link discussing where Project JK installed a 2" OME lift that actually yielded 3" to 3.5" of lift. I'm sure it settled a little afterwards, but I doubt it will ever get down to just 2".

My best guess as to why this would be is two fold. On the one hand, if you're starting from heavier grade stock coils (tow package, Rubicon, or maybe even HD) you're already more "lifted" than if you were starting from the weakest sport springs. That's why Daggo got about 2" of lift just by swapping to HD coils. On the other hand, aftermarket springs are somewhat generic, and generally don't differentiate between JKs and JKUs or hardtops and soft tops, etc.

That's all just a fancy way of saying that at the end of the day, how much lift you get from replacement springs will depend on (a) what you started with and (b) what the springs will have to carry. Unless an aftermarket spring manufacturer wants to make a tremendous number of variations, they've just got to "guess" using averages. With that in mind, they err on the side of "more lift" simply because they know folks will be mad if they buy a 2" lift kit and only get 1".

Pucks are different. Pucks yield exactly the lift they say they will because they don't compress. They're just a spacer, and 1" equals 1".

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so essentially, people lifting their Jeeps who originally had HD springs would get the advertised lift? whereas people with softer original springs would get a larger than advertised lift?
I would expect the answer (again, no personal experience) to be that people lifting their Jeeps who originally had HD springs would be more likely to be close to the advertised lift. So, for example, with the above-linked Project JK OME 2" lift, the Sport ended up getting about 3.5" of lift. Had the Sport had HD coils to begin with, it would have been about 1.5" or so taller at the outset, meaning that it would have gotten about 2" of lift from a kit that advertised 2" of lift.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you Jimbox, but I've always heard (somewhat) different. No personal experience here mind you, just what I've "heard" . . . .

As I understand it, folks that install lifts with new coils routinely get more lift than advertised. For example, here's a link discussing where Project JK installed a 2" OME lift that actually yielded 3" to 3.5" of lift. I'm sure it settled a little afterwards, but I doubt it will ever get down to just 2".

My best guess as to why this would be is two fold. On the one hand, if you're starting from heavier grade stock coils (tow package, Rubicon, or maybe even HD) you're already more "lifted" than if you were starting from the weakest sport springs. That's why Daggo got about 2" of lift just by swapping to HD coils. On the other hand, aftermarket springs are somewhat generic, and generally don't differentiate between JKs and JKUs or hardtops and soft tops, etc.

That's all just a fancy way of saying that at the end of the day, how much lift you get from replacement springs will depend on (a) what you started with and (b) what the springs will have to carry. Unless an aftermarket spring manufacturer wants to make a tremendous number of variations, they've just got to "guess" using averages. With that in mind, they err on the side of "more lift" simply because they know folks will be mad if they buy a 2" lift kit and only get 1".

Pucks are different. Pucks yield exactly the lift they say they will because they don't compress. They're just a spacer, and 1" equals 1".

So as to the question:



I would expect the answer (again, no personal experience) to be that people lifting their Jeeps who originally had HD springs would be more likely to be close to the advertised lift. So, for example, with the above-linked Project JK OME 2" lift, the Sport ended up getting about 3.5" of lift. Had the Sport had HD coils to begin with, it would have been about 1.5" or so taller at the outset, meaning that it would have gotten about 2" of lift from a kit that advertised 2" of lift.
It doesn't matter what you start with, strong coils/weak coils/leaf springs/torque bars-if it's an advertised 3" lift, then the ACTUAL "LIFT" is going to be "3"s+ HIGHER, than your ACTUAL-SAME TIME, height !


If the lift is spacers, then the lift should be based on IMMEDIATE height measurement, BEFORE/AFTER and the lift, will 99.9% of the time-be exactly as advertised-

If you install new "COILS" as 3" advertised lift, again measure immediately BEFORE/AFTER and the 3" advertised, will probably be close to 4" UNLOADED, and over a period of time/use, the new coils will "SETTLE" back to close to the advertised "LIFT" and that will vary IMMENSELY with all the LOAD variables we put our jeeps thru-

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Got my 3/4" spacers yesterday . . . waiting on my shocks . . . waiting . . . waiting . . . .
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It doesn't matter what you start with, strong coils/weak coils/leaf springs/torque bars-if it's an advertised 3" lift, then the ACTUAL "LIFT" is going to be "3"s+ HIGHER, than your ACTUAL-SAME TIME, height !

. . . .

If you install new "COILS" as 3" advertised lift, again measure immediately BEFORE/AFTER and the 3" advertised, will probably be close to 4" UNLOADED, and over a period of time/use, the new coils will "SETTLE" back to close to the advertised "LIFT" and that will vary IMMENSELY with all the LOAD variables we put our jeeps thru-
So you would expect that the OME 2" lift referenced in the Project JK thread that yielded an immediate 3.5" of lift will settle down to only 2" over it's pre-lift height, and that Daggo's 2" of lift from HD coils will settle back down to the same height he had before installation?
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So you would expect that the OME 2" lift referenced in the Project JK thread that yielded an immediate 3.5" of lift will settle down to only 2" over it's pre-lift height, and that Daggo's 2" of lift from HD coils will settle back down to the same height he had before installation?
This is not a certified labratory with pressure/temp/time as certified measurements-

If I say I just installed my 2.5" RC lift and I got 4" of lift-and then you don't hear from me for 3 months-

You can't use that as an accepted/certified measurement-we don't know where the measurements were taken at what "gas fill"/LOAD-was the jeep on level ground-?

If you want to satisfy your curiousity about YOUR 3/4" lift-

As soon as you get ready to doit-same day, setup jeep on LEVEL ground/w full gas tank/normal load in cargo and measure from each fender well-vertically THRU ctr of each tire and RECORD measurements !

After the lift is installed, set up jeep the EXACT SAME WAY and re-measure, then compare the ACTUAL measurements to the advertised "LIFT"-

I can't wait to hear the end result !!

If a guy says, I just put on new exhaust and I've got another 100hp in my jeep !

Do you believe that ?-is it ACTUAL ? was it dyno'd with altitude/temp/barometric pressure corrections and at what speed/gear ??

It's as I say "Relative" the S5W Nuclear reactor in the "Sturgeon" Cl subs, produced 45,000 HP-ACTUAL, but at what speed prop shaft/what depth/what % Reactor-see 'Relative" !!

Can't wait

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