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Old 05-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #31
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I have the same thoughts, Mike. Myabe it's first run issues with the 3.6L Pentastar, granted it isn't a new engine but it is new for the Wrangler platform. There are a ton of issues though, ticking seems to be rampant but they are having other issues. It doesn't seem to be a consistenly similar issue everyone is having, which is frightening.

That sucks though Bob, if your Jeep, brand new, had ECU/CPU issues and they got a new one, it could be that again. Sounds like the culprit, so this may be isolated.

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I feel bad for all of you having problems with your new jeeps and hope that Chrysler gets these problems figured out. Don't like to hear negativity about jeeps.

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Well my 2012 JKU just got towed into the dealer this am. 1750 miles most on one trip from St. Louis to Atlanta and back this last weekend. I am waiting on the dealer call to say what is up, but it sure felt like a seized engine to me. Wont even think about turning over.
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Keep us posted or start a new thread. I am approaching 700 miles and like to keep informed of any issues. So far it has been great which any vehicle should be at this amount of low miles.

My only worry is that I have a company provided car for work and my mileage will be accumulating too slow for the lemon law. I was thinking of visiting family/friends in Northern NYS and Vermont (from Florida). Maybe I will take a week or so off and do that over the 4th of July holiday. I can call it my long test drive.
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I am at work, swamped, and dealing with Jeep - so I apologize that I haven't read all the posts yet.

Here's my notes...

Bottom line on AZ Lemon Law, it looks like 30 days in shop (already has been a week… 5-11th, must it be contiguous?) and they are allowed 4 repair attempts; this would be repair number 2. (Or is it... read below)

Talked to the shop and they are getting me a rental car…
Apparently, the first time it was the Wireless Control Module that went bad. This time they said there are lots of old computer codes in the system and they notified Chrysler for guidance.

The jeep is working now, but I don’t plan on taking it home at this point.

When I created a Case File at Jeep they let slip that similar repairs were done on the module prior to my receiving it... about a month earlier, on July 16th. I didn't get delivery of it until May 11th, a week after I tried to pick it up on May 5th when the wireless control module went bad at the dealership. So that might make this the magical number 3.

I am just thankful that it didn't take a dump on me in the middle of nowhere (took it out wheeling both weekends and was far away from freaking civilization).

I am trying to stay calm and Zen-like, but starting to feel anger creeping up on me... nom myoho renge kyo... nom myoho renge kyo... nom myoho renge kyo....

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I am at work, swamped, and dealing with Jeep - so I apologize that I haven't read all the posts yet.

Here's my notes...

Bottom line on AZ Lemon Law, it looks like 30 days in shop (already has been a week… 5-11th, must it be contiguous?) and they are allowed 4 repair attempts; this would be repair number 2. (Or is it... read below)

Talked to the shop and they are getting me a rental car…
Apparently, the first time it was the Wireless Control Module that went bad. This time they said there are lots of old computer codes in the system and they notified Chrysler for guidance.

The jeep is working now, but I don’t plan on taking it home at this point.

When I created a Case File at Jeep they let slip that similar repairs were done on the module prior to my receiving it... about a month earlier, on July 16th. I didn't get delivery of it until May 11th, a week after I tried to pick it up on May 5th when the wireless control module went bad at the dealership. So that might make this the magical number 3.

I am just thankful that it didn't take a dump on me in the middle of nowhere (took it out wheeling both weekends and was far away from freaking civilization).

I am trying to stay calm and Zen-like, but starting to feel anger creeping up on me... nom myoho renge kyo... nom myoho renge kyo... nom myoho renge kyo....



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Let the Chrysler rep know that you do use it for trail riding. Ask them how they would tow it back if it happens again? Maybe that would expedite a replacement Wrangler or some expensive towing charges for Chrysler.

Also if you are at an event with other Jeepers, do you think they would buy a new one that broke down on the trail?
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Let the Chrysler rep know that you do use it for trail riding. Ask them how they would tow it back if it happens again? Maybe that would expedite a replacement Wrangler or some expensive towing charges for Chrysler.

Also if you are at an event with other Jeepers, do you think they would buy a new one that broke down on the trail?
I would not recommend that. If Chrysler can tie any failure to offroading, they'll cite "neglect and abuse" as the reason for the problem, and deny warranty coverage. In general, you don't want to "admit" to taking the jeep offroad.
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I would not recommend that. If Chrysler can tie any failure to offroading, they'll cite "neglect and abuse" as the reason for the problem, and deny warranty coverage. In general, you don't want to "admit" to taking the jeep offroad.
Please go to the Jeep Website. They sell the off road capablities of all Jeeps. Why else do they put a "trail rated" badge on it. I hope they don't think the trail leads to the mall via the interstate.

I do agree with your caution but if it broke down 2 miles into a trail to a fishing hole using a dirt road and over a field, it is not abuse and would be hard to get a normal tow truck back there.

Chrysler needs to take extra care on these vehicles because they can break down away from a paved road. Any Wrangler in question can be inspected for abuse.

I would be using this as leverage to make sure the vehicle is fixed properly or is replaced.

If you don't trust it around town would you ever take it safely off road?

PS I am not trying to be argumentative with you MTH.
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I would not recommend that. If Chrysler can tie any failure to offroading, they'll cite "neglect and abuse" as the reason for the problem, and deny warranty coverage. In general, you don't want to "admit" to taking the jeep offroad.
What the HELL U talking about My Jeep has a "TRAIL RATED" badge on it

They even show advertisements on TV about Jeeps "off road", give me a friggin break

HELL mine, at 1300-mi spent about 3-wks in the shop, due to electrical problems. DAMN thing at that time was never taken off-road!
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In all honesty right now, I am not taking it on any trail anywhere - forget up the backside of a mountain hours from a cell tower.

Well, my rental car is here to pick me up... off to the dealer I go.
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Please go to the Jeep Website. They sell the off road capablities of all Jeeps. Why else do they put a "trail rated" badge on it. I hope they don't think the trail leads to the mall via the interstate.

I do agree with your caution but if it broke down 2 miles into a trail to a fishing hole using a dirt road and over a field, it is not abuse and would be hard to get a normal tow truck back there.

Chrysler needs to take extra care on these vehicles because they can break down away from a paved road. Any Wrangler in question can be inspected for abuse.

I would be using this as leverage to make sure the vehicle is fixed properly or is replaced.

If you don't trust it around town would you ever take it safely off road?

PS I am not trying to be argumentative with you MTH.
Oh I hear ya, I get it, it's crazy I know.

But let's take a stroll through Warranty Manual Lane . . . .

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Your warranties don’t cover the costs of repairing damage or conditions caused by any of the following:
• abuse or negligence;
• misuse — for example, driving over curbs or overloading;
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There have been a number of reports on this forum from folks stating that they have been denied warranty coverage for something that broke while the jeep was offroad. I'd go so far as to say it's routine--you snap an axle while wheeling, or puncturing your oil pan, or fill your clutch with water shifting during submersion, etc.--you'll be denied warranty coverage on the basis that you "abused," "misused," or were "negligent" in the use of your jeep.

That said, you need to balance that against the Owners Manual, which contains a 13 page tutorial on driving offroad. And that doesn't even mention the advertising you pointed to. So clearly, Chrysler must acknowledge that some amount of offroading should be appropriate and covered.

How much? I have no idea--and don't want to need to be in front of a judge to find out. Bottomline: I wouldn't admit to being offroad unless directly asked.

If pushed, I'd expect Chrysler's position would be something along the lines of REASONABLE offroading with PROPER technique being covered, whereas just pointing the nose at any crazy obstacle and flooring it is not. Under this definition, guys who puncture their oil pan bouncing all over rocks would be out of luck, while the guy carefully treking up a logging trail when his PCM just shuts down would be covered. But do you really want to split that hair with them?
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I would not recommend that. If Chrysler can tie any failure to offroading, they'll cite "neglect and abuse" as the reason for the problem, and deny warranty coverage. In general, you don't want to "admit" to taking the jeep offroad.
Yes, telling someone to lie is a great strategy. Luckily you are not a lawyer or that post could be a great piece of evidence against all of your clients, past and future.
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Yes, telling someone to lie is a great strategy. Luckily you are not a lawyer or that post could be a great piece of evidence against all of your clients, past and future.
I am a lawyer.

And I'm not suggesting anybody lie. If you're asked, respond truthfully. (As noted in my subsequent post: "Bottomline: I wouldn't admit to being offroad unless directly asked.")

Other than responding to a direct question however, my general advice would be not to voluteer that you had the jeep offroad. In my experience, I would expect it to become a "homing beacon" for blame when something goes wrong and a dealer tech would rather you pay his full rate and expanded hours for a repair that he knows will get a comparably lower rate and a limited number of hours from Chrysler under warranty.
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Keep in mind, 43.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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No it's 67.8%.
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Yes, telling someone to lie is a great strategy. Luckily you are not a lawyer or that post could be a great piece of evidence against all of your clients, past and future.
I didn't read to "lie" from that statement. It's always best to be honest, but no use shooting yourself in the foot. Do you tell the police you were speeding without them asking?
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I thought it was 3.14159265%.
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So did the OP get his jeep fixed or ??
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LOL! Barrie, we know you're like the Fox News motto: "Fair and Balanced". Well.....maybe fair and just slightly unbalanced.
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I thought it was 3.14159265%.
I appreciate you cheering me up with the pi reference.

Did the OP get his jeep fixed? That's me, and I have but two things to add before tomorrow:

1) I drove a freaking min van home --> Ouch! So, no, the jeep is still at the dealer.

2) Diablo servers are down. If you don't know what that is, just understand that it is a continuation of a very crappy day

So, to recap:

Ordered: 11 Feb 2012.
A module goes down: 16 July 2012
Purchase: 5 May 2012
Wireless Module goes down: 5 May 2012
Take Delivery: 11 May 2012
Something unknown goes down today: 29 May 2012

Now all that said, let's put this in perspective:

I am sitting in a very nice house which I own (and is worth more than I paid for it - finally) and share with a very pretty & fit wife of almost 30 years, sipping Pyrate rum on the rocks (with a generous squeeze of lime), looking at the pool, trying to play a video game while my new toy truck is in the shop. Parts are still arriving at the door and I have a job that pays well, retirement income from the Army, successful children, and the most awesome bulldog ever (Go Mojo)

Meanwhile, my dad is suffering from painful cancer tonight and some GI probably just lost an appendage or worse while far from family -- so I am keeping it in perspective. It's just a Jeep for crying-out-loud, albeit an expensive vehicle which I would presume to work without major issues such that it has.

Carry on. I will be sipping rum all night.

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