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Old 07-12-2011, 08:07 AM   #1
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Dealer's Advice on Rubicon JKU 24R

After a lot of great information and advice obtained here, I recontacted a Phoenix dealer and asked to change my search from a Sport to a Rubi. I asked if he could find me a Rubi with just the 24R package. I was shocked when he wrote back and said I should just get a loaded Sport and put on Rubi wheels. I was tempted to forward that advice to the GM or, even better, Chrysler. I now have NO faith in this guy or that dealership.

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Old 07-12-2011, 08:42 AM   #2
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You left out a lot of information. What are your requirements?

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I simply wanted to know if he had or could source a Rubi with auto tranny and power windows and locks. I also want a tow hitch for kids bikes. Most of the Rubis I have found are pretty decked out with options I don't want or want to spend the money on. I am moving to AZ and may do some moderate rocky trails where a Rubicon would be better suited. Also, I keep vehicles a long time and if my Jeeping becomes more serious/aggressive I do not want to have to do costly upgrades later. A Sport will certainly suit my immediate needs and skill but I think I am better off long term with a Rubicon. I hope that explains my situation better.
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So what he said is not really out of line based on that information.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:19 AM   #5
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Two things . . .

First, he probably has Sports on the lot, but no Rubis. I'm sure he gets a lot of calls from "non-enthusiast" type folks who only say "Rubicon" because it's the top-of-the-line, and, for most of those people, recommending a Sport will still get him a sale and let him move his own inventory.

Second, most sales guys aren't Jeep enthusiasts like Pat@FieldsJeep. They sell Chryslers, Dodges, Jeeps, and whatever else they've got kicking around. He very well may have no idea what "lockers" even are and could be under the impression that a Rubicon is just a Sport plus beefier tires and a pair of hood decals. When I was buying, a salesman told me that you couldn't put the soft top half way back (into the "sunrider position") because it would rip off the Jeep on the highway and "it's not made for that."

Whether the guy understands all the nuances of Wranglers is less important than whether he's willing to do the legwork to get you what you want. I would politely decline the Sport in a way that demonstrates I know what I'm talking about, stress that I really want a Rubi, and see what happens from there. If he insists with the Sport, then move on.
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^ What Mike said. You know what you want, if the salesman doesn't want to find you the Jeep of your choice, business must be good and he isn't interested in yours. Find another dealer.
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Or he really does have the customer best interest in mind. Trust me a salesperson wants to sell the highest ticket itme they can. Most would be glad to oversell a customer. Some really care and are trying to only sell what the customer needs.

Moderate rocky trails hardly require lockers.
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Are you shopping new or used? Also, what dealership did you go to? There aren't a lot of knowledgeable salesmen in my experience but I would check out Power Chrysler Jeep Dodge in PHX. I bought a Wrangler and Commander there and you can deal with them. Not wild about their service, so I go elsewhere for that.

They also usually have a vast selection of used wranglers there.
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Thanks for the replies. I don't want to give the dealer name because it is just one salesman who is more likely not knowledgeable about Rubicons. I guess I assumed these guys are all Jeepers and gear heads. Going forward, I guess I should begin by asking to deal with Wrangler experts since I will be requiring guidance. Thanks
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I really still don't see anything to suggest that the salesperson wasn't knowledgeable.
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Second, most sales guys aren't Jeep enthusiasts like Pat@FieldsJeep. They sell Chryslers, Dodges, Jeeps, and whatever else they've got kicking around. He very well may have no idea what "lockers" even are and could be under the impression that a Rubicon is just a Sport plus beefier tires and a pair of hood decals.
I agree with this. When I bought my '06 new I had never seen a rubicon. I asked the salesman about one on the showroom floor, thinking I might upgrade...I intended to wheel mine pretty hard. He told me it was just lower gears and bigger tires. I spent well over the 5 grand difference between what I bought and a rubicon, and still didn't have selectable lockers or the 4:1 transfer case.
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Or he really does have the customer best interest in mind. Trust me a salesperson wants to sell the highest ticket itme they can. Most would be glad to oversell a customer. Some really care and are trying to only sell what the customer needs.
And when the OP contacted the salesman and said I want a Rubi with the 24R package, a caring salesman would have started searching.

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I agree with this. When I bought my '06 new I had never seen a rubicon. I asked the salesman about one on the showroom floor, thinking I might upgrade...I intended to wheel mine pretty hard. He told me it was just lower gears and bigger tires. I spent well over the 5 grand difference between what I bought and a rubicon, and still didn't have selectable lockers or the 4:1 transfer case.
Which based on the OP's original post makes me think:
1) the salesman didn't fully know the difference between the Sport and the Rubi.
2) or was more interested in selling a Jeep already in his inventory.
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I think the dealer should have at least tried to get him a Rubi when he asked. I do think a Sport for the most part is a better value in most cases unless you are rock crawling. And he is in a rock country. You can always get lockers added later but many love the 4:1 transfer case in the rubi and I think the best benefit to a rock climber is the discos.

I have to say, if he explained he was going to rock climb thus wanted a Rubi and the dealer tried to push a Sport then the dealer probably has no clue or is out of Rubi's and just wanted to sell something off the lot. But thinking about it, my dealer never once questioned what I was doing with my Jeep. You would think that would be their first question so to help you pick the best Jeep for your needs. I think they just push the most expensive first and most people never need a Rubi that owns them, leaving those that could use them the most out in the cold trying to find one.
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And when the OP contacted the salesman and said I want a Rubi with the 24R package, a caring salesman would have started searching.


Which based on the OP's original post makes me think:
1) the salesman didn't fully know the difference between the Sport and the Rubi.
2) or was more interested in selling a Jeep already in his inventory.
I vote 2.
I'm not sure exactly what happened with the OP's situation. My experience when shopping for my Jeep was a GM dealer with a '04 TJ on the lot with Rubicon stickers on the hood. It had a few extras on it (bumpers,lights, side steps)and they were asking quite a bit. When I test drove it he claimed to currently own 2 wranglers, claimed he took the hard top off by himself, and when I asked where the switch was for the lockers he claimed it was an option on Rubi's. I walked next door to Jeep and printed out the build sheet. Was a X model and not Rubi, pointed it out and they wouldn't budge on price still claiming it was. A month later was still on lot for same price but no more stickers on the hood. I bought my '09 for the same price. Also, when I was waiting for my Jeep to be delivered, the salesman helping another couple out did not know how to take off the freedom tops. All I ask is that salespeople know their products.
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And when the OP contacted the salesman and said I want a Rubi with the 24R package, a caring salesman would have started searching.


Which based on the OP's original post makes me think:
1) the salesman didn't fully know the difference between the Sport and the Rubi.
2) or was more interested in selling a Jeep already in his inventory.
I disagree. A consulting salesperson would have asked questions regarding his needs and offered solutions. Wants and needs are not the same thing. A person may want a Rubicon, not knowing what they really need. 6 months later they may realize they spent all that money for something they didn't need and get upset. We're only hearing one side of the story here.
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After a lot of great information and advice obtained here,
Good stroke the egos around here, plus there is a lot of good info to be found here. Someday I hope to post something of value myself.

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I recontacted a Phoenix dealer and asked to change my search from a Sport to a Rubi. I asked if he could find me a Rubi with just the 24R package.
At this point, didn't he ask why? If he didn't, I'd assume he was heading down the directed path. Instead of asking my dealer to find me a Rubi, I searched myself, found the Jeep I wanted and asked him to go get it. To each their own.

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I was shocked when he wrote back and said I should just get a loaded Sport and put on Rubi wheels.
Not sure exactly what was said prior but since you were shocked, I'd assume the dealer said "I'll find you a Rubi"

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I was tempted to forward that advice to the GM or, even better, Chrysler. I now have NO faith in this guy or that dealership.
Not sure there's a need to react this way. I'd suggest a few options:

1) If this is the only dealership around, set them straight on why you want a Rubi or find the Rubi you want and direct them to go get it.

2) Vote with your money and go elsewhere, I went across the state line to get mine because the closest dealer told me similar lies. Next time they called me up I told them not to call me anymore and that I went to another dealer because they tried to sell me what I didn't want.


Now, get online get the Jeep you want for the price you want, take the top & doors off and be carefree a little. It's good for the soul man!

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