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Old 05-04-2013, 10:21 AM   #31
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Well since the country he lives in probably doesn't use miles or gallons, that's a tough question to answer.
I didn't notice that till after I posted ...

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The Grand Cherokee is getting desiel next year & the Wrangler is supposed to be 2016 from what we have been told at work. Europe already has the desiel JK. It will be a turbo 4 cylinder version. The Grand is gettting a V6 version.

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Old 05-04-2013, 03:08 PM   #33
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There will be a diesel in model year n+1 where n = the current model year.
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:40 PM   #34
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There will be a diesel in model year n+1 where n = the current model year.
I hear the n+2 is getting a 12 speed transmission.
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Old 05-04-2013, 03:45 PM   #35
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I bought some oil filters at my local dealer and I said I needed 2013 wrangler filters. Guy says to me, "sure its not a 14?" I say yeah the 14 wranglers are not out yet. Parts guy "yeah they are we've already had people buy the wrong filters for their 14 wranglers"

Obviously we are not dealing with too many "product specialists"
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Old 05-04-2013, 04:15 PM   #36
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Obviously we are not dealing with too many "product specialists"
Lol i had to buy some parts for a 88 mustang GT in Columbus Ohio once and i was asked if it was front wheel drive then asked if it was 2wd or 4wd. I guess they get what help they can. i wouldn't expect it to be the best paying job out there. I can think of a lot worst jobs though.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:29 PM   #37
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Just curious.. what exactly would be the american equivilant of a "hoon?
Boy Wonder, Dick#ead, Idiot and list goes on.

When I first purchased it, I went around a roundabout and was wondering who was making the tyre screaming noises..... it was me!!!!
I have a nice hill which I go up on the way home from work, and the turbo powers up there with no effort and I generally pass everything on the way to the top ---- then I slow down as I crest the hill because thats where the radar guns are usually pointed at
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:12 PM   #38
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The mpg numbers on the Cherokee are not that impressive I wonder why?
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:28 PM   #39
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The mpg numbers on the Cherokee are not that impressive I wonder why?
Maybe because our diesel emissions requirements are more strict then other parts of the world? Not sure who else needs diesel emissions fluid (def), or particulate traps and burnoff, egr, etc...
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:45 PM   #40
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How about:

3.6-liter Pentastar V-6, a 4-cam aluminum-block engine that puts out 285 bhp at 6400 rpm and 260 lb.-ft. of torque at 4800 rpm

New 3.0-liter EcoDiesel engine produces 240 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. (What they are looking at putting in the Grand Cherokee)

Look at that torque. People wonder why we are so interested in a diesel. There is enough torque to easily turn your 37" tires and the 35" tires on the Jeep sitting next to you.

Queue up the Tim Allen grunts...
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The mpg numbers on the Cherokee are not that impressive I wonder why?
It's rated at 30mpg. That's great for a full size SUV capable of towing almost 8k. A ford escape gets that much but aside from being taller, it's hardly an SUV anymore.

My father just bought the new GC but with the pentastar and the 8 speed. It gets 24mpg so when comparing the new diesel to the hemi to gets great mileage, compared to the pentastar it's only 16% better.

Towing is where it'd kill the others. I'm sure it could get 20mpg or very close to it towing 8k
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Sorry should have been more specific http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/su...el_first_test/

They got 23 average on their road trip and they said eventually as high as 26 but with those small tires a wrangler with 35s would maybe get 20 i guess I just thought it would be higher
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Can u not post links? Motor trend tested it and only got 23 t
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Sorry should have been more specific http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/su...el_first_test/

They got 23 average on their road trip and they said eventually as high as 26 but with those small tires a wrangler with 35s would maybe get 20 i guess I just thought it would be higher
I was only quoting EPA estimates. It's rated at 30 highway in RWD configuration(other high milage suv's are rated by their fwd configs to advertise higher mileage) but diesels aren't as taxed by things like trailers and larger tires. So a 23% loss (26 to 20) is unlikely just jumping to 35's
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Lol when i was in the market for a new 13 last summer, i asked the dealer if he thought their would be a diesel anytime soon. He told me that the new 3.6 could be converted to diesel by reprogramming the computer. He said its the same diesel engine they use in Europe just retuned for gas. His response made me laugh and order at another dealer.
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A friend of mine who is living in France has a 2012 JK with the 2.8L CRD diesel engine.

He told me that he did try it with the manual and auto trans and also tried the penta 3.6L with the manual transmission.

He mentionned that there is a big difference on the diesel engine with the auto and manual transmissions. Both are giving 200ch but the manual delivers 302 lbs-ft at 2600 tr/min and the auto delivers 339 lbs-ft at 1600 rpm. This is the reason he went with the automatic, he said that with the manual you had to step hard on the gas and make the clutch to suffer. So with the auto is getting 26.5 mpg on average and the 0-60 is done at around 11 seconds.

Finally he said that if it wasn't of the price of gas vs diesel down there he would have got the gasoline engine which was more enjoyable to drive.
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I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?
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I'm curious what current 2.8 diesel owners have to say about the diesel exhaust smell when driving top down. Is it noticeable?
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No it's not noticeable. The engine is fairly civilized, no abnormal sooth, smoke or smells...
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That 420lbs of torque will do wonders off road. I really wish this would happen. My 13 JKUR is the first non-diesel I have owned in a decade or so. If you take care of a diesel, they will last quite some time, more MPG, more torque. When you add a tuner, it will blow your mind.

The new negatives are adding fluid, but it's not that big of a deal. Less MPG than a few years ago before all of these restrictive emissions components, if something does go wrong out of warranty, diesels cost a small fortune to repair, but again, warranty's are normally 100K on engine (2500 trucks and above at least).
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It's all over if wrangler gets a diesel. I will sell body parts if I have to
Hopefully they don't force you to buy a tarted up Sahara or Rubicon model just to get the diesel option for us minimalist/ purist types like they are doing with the Grand Cherokee diesel option. Can't get one in a basic Laredo model GC ($30,795), you have to buy a Limited model GC starting at $37,795 then select the $4500 diesel (a fair engine price) which further forces you to get the Luxury Group option in conjunction to the engine adding $7500 to the Limited starting price for a grand total of: $46,290!!!!

Please let the future Wrangler diesel option be a simple $4500 upgrade to all Wrangler models Chrysler!
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If they were smart they would offer it at less than a $4500 upgrade. It would sell like hotcakes if the upgrade was $2000. Unless, that's the point - then they can drop it and argue that there wasn't enough demand for diesel engines. If they don't outprice us on the option they will have plenty of demand - and people actually buying too.
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If they were smart they would offer it at less than a $4500 upgrade. It would sell like hotcakes if the upgrade was $2000. Unless, that's the point - then they can drop it and argue that there wasn't enough demand for diesel engines. If they don't outprice us on the option they will have plenty of demand - and people actually buying too.
It will sell like hotcakes at $4500. That's not a bad price at all for a diesel upgrade.
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$4000 option = +- 1150 gallons of gas @ $3.50 = +- 17000 miles @ 15mpg. As much as I would love a diesel in my wrangler, paying 15% more than a gas version does not make $$ sense. What is the justification for such a diff. in price? profit I think. Car dealers are not in the car business to sell you their car, they are there to make money. Never forget that.
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The torque would be awesome, but higher fuel costs, way higher maintenance costs, and the fact you might need to use urea like you do in super duty trucks every 6,000 miles, might not make it worth it to me? The EPA emissions on diesels has made them not as attractive to me as they were 5 years ago, before all of this bs emissions regulation.
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More torque = I can crawl over more things.
Better MPG= I can crawl over things farther away.

A Diesel belongs in a Jeep Wrangler, its only a matter of time before this new 3.0L VM diesel becomes an option in 2015 or 2016. It all depends on how it does in the Grand Cherokee.
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It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
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It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
This.

The fuel is a moot point. It's 10-15% more money but 50% better mileage. Pretty obvious your fuel bill would go down

Also on another note. Eurea is only added every 10k. Not 6. Want to go longer? Add a bigger tank. Or just keep a gallon in the garage similarly to washer fluid. Top off eurea every time you add washer fluid. It really isn't that hard
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It's all over if wrangler gets a diesel. I will sell body parts if I have to
Hannibal Lecter said the same thing one time.
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It's obvious from reading responses who has diesel experience, and who doesn't.

-Longevity
-Gobs of Torque
-Better mileage
-Better towing
-Longer service intervals
-Tuners will actually add performance

$4500 well spent.
True and considering a comparable long block replacement diesel engine would be close to $4500, having it installed at the factory for that cost is cheap.

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