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Old 05-09-2013, 01:01 PM   #61
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More torque = I can crawl over more things.
Better MPG= I can crawl over things farther away.

A Diesel belongs in a Jeep Wrangler, its only a matter of time before this new 3.0L VM diesel becomes an option in 2015 or 2016. It all depends on how it does in the Grand Cherokee.
I agree. I'm thinking of a 2014 GC diesel for me to compliment my wife's 2012 Wrangler. But for the 2014 GC the V-6 gas is now up to EPA 17 - 24 vs. the diesel 21 - 28. Towing is up to 6,200 lbs. for gas vs 7,200 lbs. for the diesel. In the model I want it looks like the premium for diesel would be closer to $7,500 than $4,500. So it doesn’t look like the diesel math will work out for me, at least in the cheaper GC models.

I really like the torque numbers, but 290 HP for Pentastar gas vs. 240 HP for diesel is going to be a trade off. It looks like both versions turn about 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile according to Car and Driver.

Here is the link to the C/D review.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel V-6 First Drive – Review – Car and Driver

Also, for those interested, their new June issue has a five way comparo of diesel SUVs with the GC included.

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Old 05-09-2013, 01:21 PM   #62
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I agree. I'm thinking of a 2014 GC diesel for me to compliment my wife's 2012 Wrangler. But for the 2014 GC the V-6 gas is now up to EPA 17 - 24 vs. the diesel 21 - 28. Towing is up to 6,200 lbs. for gas vs 7,200 lbs. for the diesel. In the model I want it looks like the premium for diesel would be closer to $7,500 than $4,500. So it doesn’t look like the diesel math will work out for me, at least in the cheaper GC models.

I really like the torque numbers, but 290 HP for Pentastar gas vs. 240 HP for diesel is going to be a trade off. It looks like both versions turn about 16.1 seconds in the quarter mile according to Car and Driver.

Here is the link to the C/D review.

2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel V-6 First Drive – Review – Car and Driver

Also, for those interested, their new June issue has a five way comparo of diesel SUVs with the GC included.
Offering the 3.0 CRD in the $30,795 Laredo GC for $35,295 would've been a smarter way of promoting the diesel engine in the Grand Cherokee. This just makes it harder for the trickle down effect to benefit us Wrangler owners.

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Old 05-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #63
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I think they've only put it in the higher end Grand Cherokee's to get the early adopters. It will probably be an optional engine in the Laredo after a couple of years. Would not surprise me at all if they make it a Sahara/Rubicon offering only in the Wrangler for the first couple of years too.

Fine with me... The Pentastar was an established engine, but sure seemed to have its share of issues the first year in the Wranglers. I'd rather wait until 2nd or 3rd year production for the Diesel anyway.
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Based upon the GC pricing model, a wrangler Diesel in the USA would be priced in the $50,000 range. Heck with mods some folks will be approaching the $80,000 range.

Maybe others have no problem dropping that kind of cash for a vehicle to beat up off road..not me. What can you do to a gas JK or TJ for $50,000?
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The simplier the better on diesels thats why the old Cummins 8v and 12v engines get great mileage, as well as the old VW engines.

Mines very loud and dirty, its a 4bt, but far reliable and easy to work on (mechanical) than any gasser ive owned and while it only has 120hp and 320ft/lbs or torque it spins my 37" tires up to 80mph comfortably with 3.54 gears. And also gets an estimated 24mpg.

If I were in the market for a new Jeep and there was the option a diesel would have zero cons for me. Better torque, mileage, towing power, longer service intervals and ease of maintenance. Also very easy to add power, atleast on my mech. 4bt its as simple as adding fuel with the turn of a few screws
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The simplier the better on diesels thats why the old Cummins 8v and 12v engines get great mileage, as well as the old VW engines.

Mines very loud and dirty, its a 4bt, but far reliable and easy to work on (mechanical) than any gasser ive owned and while it only has 120hp and 320ft/lbs or torque it spins my 37" tires up to 80mph comfortably with 3.54 gears. And also gets an estimated 24mpg.

If I were in the market for a new Jeep and there was the option a diesel would have zero cons for me. Better torque, mileage, towing power, longer service intervals and ease of maintenance. Also very easy to add power, atleast on my mech. 4bt its as simple as adding fuel with the turn of a few screws
I had an 07 Cummins 5.9 (last year for that iconic engine) and sold it 4 years later for an 11 F250 6.7, lost only $2500 from the new price. Worst decision I ever made. I should have just invested in a better built tranny (48RE sucks stock, but when built up is amazing) and been done with it.
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:35 PM   #67
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It will sell like hotcakes at $4500. That's not a bad price at all for a diesel upgrade.
I'm sorry but, compared to WHAT ???

compared to the RAPING of +/-$8,000 you pay for diesel in a full size pick up??

you think its fine to pay an ADDITIONAL $4,500 above the 3.6 that the jeep ALREADY COMES WITH to get a diesel ? ?

Does it REALLY cost $4,500 more to produce this motor?

Look at imports, how can VW sell you a a TDI Passat for $1,000 less then a V6..Look at Mercedes, or other European makers..

i'm sorry but to me this is the OIL MONGER American government trying to controll how many Diesels are sold in America.. I know Jeep is FIAT owned now but it seems they are under the same unbrella that GM and Ford are under when it comes to diesel. The "Oil Boys" don't want us getting better mileage.. unless it's Hydrid (PUKE) cuz that makes their tree hugger voters happy..

As an old timer that had a Diesel pick up back in the 70s or 80s if they remember paying 15-20% more for it..... my money says the answer is no...
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I'm sorry but, compared to WHAT ???

compared to the RAPING of +/-$8,000 you pay for diesel in a full size pick up??

you think its fine to pay an ADDITIONAL $4,500 above the 3.6 that the jeep ALREADY COMES WITH to get a diesel ? ?

Does it REALLY cost $4,500 more to produce this motor?

Look at imports, how can VW sell you a a TDI Passat for $1,000 less then a V6..Look at Mercedes, or other European makers..

i'm sorry but to me this is the OIL MONGER American government trying to controll how many Diesels are sold in America.. I know Jeep is FIAT owned now but it seems they are under the same unbrella that GM and Ford are under when it comes to diesel. The "Oil Boys" don't want us getting better mileage.. unless it's Hydrid (PUKE) cuz that makes their tree hugger voters happy..

As an old timer that had a Diesel pick up back in the 70s or 80s if they remember paying 15-20% more for it..... my money says the answer is no...
As many have stated, they will have no problem selling them. Maybe it's not for you, and I respect your opinion. Would a lower price be nicer, of course. The $4500 factor is using the diesel Cherokee as an example.

The main cost increases in diesels come from the high cost of injectors and their HPFP. For example, my 11 6.7 F250, the engine was just shy of 8K for the upgrade.

The Volkswagen prices, as well as Mercedes include a turbo or supercharged engine, or a a diesel option, since the price of turbo engines are higher, you will not see as much of a price difference compared to a non turbo engine compared to a turbo engine or a diesel engine.

None the less, a diesel Wrangler will sell like hotcakes in the US, whether a $2500 upgrade, or a $2500 upgrade, sales will be high, and I will be on the waiting list.
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Getting price raped at the dealer is worth the sound of a turbo diesel.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:19 AM   #70
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The current Wrangler Diesel Engine

Hi !

A little more information about the current CRD engine, used in Wranglers. I know, it's not available in the US, but here's some info about the engine;

VM Motori S.p.A.

And the spec's for the engine on a standard Wrangler;

VM Motori S.p.A.

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Old 05-15-2013, 12:23 PM   #71
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I noted this a few months ago. Living in metro detroit, I saw a JKU rubicon and a JK sport with manufacture plates cruising down I-75 by Auburn Hills. The thing that caught my eye was the sticker near the fuel filler "DIESEL FUEL ONLY". This was probably 6 months ago. I will try to find the crappy pictures I took. The driver of the Rubicon even threw me a wave as he drove by.
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:12 PM   #72
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Cost for diesel engine

Not buying the whole argument for charging $4500 for a diesel option.

If you look around the price difference between gas and diesel versions of cars is all over the place, with Jeep being the most expensive.

Just look at Mercedes GL. The diesel version is $1500 cheaper that the comparable gas version.

BMW X5 it is the other way around with the diesel $1500 more.

For the different VW versions there is about a $2000 premium or so.

The Wrangler is already shipped all over with diesels so the development cost is minimal. I think they are more just trying to milk the market and essentially not interested in moving forward technology wise.

With Fiat technology Chrysler could become the leading US manufacturer of diesel vehicles. Shame they are not using the opportunity.....

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