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Old 08-18-2013, 12:00 AM   #1
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How many engines could you build for Wrangler if you're also building diesel engines for the Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500?

That would be a different engine. It would be the four cylinder for the Wrangler.

It's a different assembly line. We have an easy capacity for 40,000 engines per year, and today we build 10,000 four-cylinders.
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what are the specs on the 4 cylinder diesel?

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why wouldn't they put this light duty six cyl in the wrangler.
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why wouldn't they put this light duty six cyl in the wrangler.
Physical size and weight.
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Had a diesel Ford Tempo back in mid 80s. One of the best cars ever. That little 4 dr could fly and fuel mileage couldn't be beat. Great alternative to the oversize Barbie toy cars today.
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They'd be fools not to use the same V6 as the Ram and Grand Cherokee. Hope that guy is wrong and saying that based on the fact they use a 4 cylinder in the current European Wrangler diesel.
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I think they are talking about the current 2.8 L in europe, I have been reading about it on allpar and the the 2.8 won't meet standards.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/V6/VM-RA-diesel.html
as for the weight the 3.0l diesel weights in at 485 lbs and the 3.8 weighted 413 lbs so not a huge difference in weight
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I think they are talking about the current 2.8 L in europe, I have been reading about it on allpar and the the 2.8 won't meet standards.
2011+ VM Motori V6 Diesel Engines
as for the weight the 3.0l diesel weights in at 485 lbs and the 3.8 weighted 413 lbs so not a huge difference in weight
Yes, the president of VM wouldn't disclose any future product plans, but he did say capacity could be increased by 50%.
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Still a huge disappointment IMHO. 4 banger diesels aren't really smooth, and the whole reason why I wanted a diesel is due to the fact that Wranglers weigh a ton when kitted out. It's easily a 5500lb+ vehicle. I don't want an underpowered snail.
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Still a huge disappointment IMHO. 4 banger diesels aren't really smooth, and the whole reason why I wanted a diesel is due to the fact that Wranglers weigh a ton when kitted out. It's easily a 5500lb+ vehicle. I don't want an underpowered snail.
Yeah definitely don't want the 2.8 here, every thing I have been reading points to us getting the 3.0L with its 420 ft lbs and gale banks has already been working with this motor for some time and says it can pretty easily make over 600 Hp so power hopefully won't be an issue! I just hope it comes out sooner rather than later
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If and when they put one in the wrangler you can bet it will be the lightest they can find . Just look at what they did to the fenders ( metal to plastic ) . I would also be careful on buying the first gen. Remember the earlier JK engines.
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If and when they put one in the wrangler you can bet it will be the lightest they can find . Just look at what they did to the fenders ( metal to plastic ) . I would also be careful on buying the first gen. Remember the earlier JK engines.
Well, if they put the 3.0 in, that's been used for a while now, so I wouldn't worry. If they put in an all new 4 banger (not the Euro CRD), then I'd probably want to wait at least 1 model year.
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hi guys! I'm owner of the very EURO-diesel one. It really has 4 cyl.)))) AS to my opinion, it's the best choice for 2-dr JK. I just came back from Crimea(Ukraine), made about 3200 miles in total. Fuel efficiency is medium, as to compare with my previous BMW530D Touring, road behavior turned out far better, than I could image - highway overtaking is an easy thing with its torque.. But, from other side, this engine is much more quiet, than bimmer 3L diesel. When I reached the destination, I have checked its torque again and ,just slightly, off-road capabilities. Anyway, final consumption results were next - highway(about 70mph ) - 22,5 mpg , in-city mode - 25 mpg. So, each 370 miles at highway I had to search for gas station. If gasoline engines have lower mpg, JK due to be used only in city or 100 - 200 miles around only, IMO. I like my YELLOW D sooooo much.....
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hi guys! I'm owner of the very EURO-diesel one. It really has 4 cyl.)))) AS to my opinion, it's the best choice for 2-dr JK. I just came back from Crimea(Ukraine), made about 3200 miles in total. Fuel efficiency is medium, as to compare with my previous BMW530D Touring, road behavior turned out far better, than I could image - highway overtaking is an easy thing with its torque.. But, from other side, this engine is much more quiet, than bimmer 3L diesel. When I reached the destination, I have checked its torque again and ,just slightly, off-road capabilities. Anyway, final consumption results were next - highway(about 70mph ) - 22,5 mpg , in-city mode - 25 mpg. So, each 370 miles at highway I had to search for gas station. If gasoline engines have lower mpg, JK due to be used only in city or 100 - 200 miles around only, IMO. I like my YELLOW D sooooo much.....
One of the reasons I wanted a diesel (besides the added power) is range. I just went on a 3000 journey with mine, and did about 350-360 miles per tank with my pentastar V6, 3.21 gears and 33x12.50 tires. Are you telling me that you are getting 370 miles or range with 4 banger diesel?! ( I realize you might be getting this range with less gallons, but that's irrelevant to me.)
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hi guys! I'm owner of the very EURO-diesel one. It really has 4 cyl.)))) AS to my opinion, it's the best choice for 2-dr JK. I just came back from Crimea(Ukraine), made about 3200 miles in total. Fuel efficiency is medium, as to compare with my previous BMW530D Touring, road behavior turned out far better, than I could image - highway overtaking is an easy thing with its torque.. But, from other side, this engine is much more quiet, than bimmer 3L diesel. When I reached the destination, I have checked its torque again and ,just slightly, off-road capabilities. Anyway, final consumption results were next - highway(about 70mph ) - 22,5 mpg , in-city mode - 25 mpg. So, each 370 miles at highway I had to search for gas station. If gasoline engines have lower mpg, JK due to be used only in city or 100 - 200 miles around only, IMO. I like my YELLOW D sooooo much.....
Wow!!! The mileage I got out of that Ford 4 banger diesel was in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 mpg. 22.5 & 25 are not much better then we are getting out of the 3.6 gas. I'd be expecting in the 30 range and be very disappointed in the numbers you are getting.
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Wow!!! The mileage I got out of that Ford 4 banger diesel was in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 mpg. 22.5 & 25 are not much better then we are getting out of the 3.6 gas. I'd be expecting in the 30 range and be very disappointed in the numbers you are getting.
I want to say that I suspect that it's just too small of an engine for a vehicle as large as the JK. Its like putting a heart from a 10 year old girl into a body of Arnold Swartzenegger. I think the 3.0 would be able to lug the JK around with ease, barely braking a sweat. Underpowering a vehicle is worse for gas mileage than overpowering (ie a Hemi.)
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I want to say that I suspect that it's just too small of an engine for a vehicle as large as the JK. Its like putting a heart from a 10 year old girl into a body of Arnold Swartzenegger. I think the 3.0 would be able to lug the JK around with ease, barely braking a sweat. Underpowering a vehicle is worse for gas mileage than overpowering (ie a Hemi.)
Agree, whatever they're using just can't hack it efficiently.
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Yeah 22.5-25 seems a little low to me everything else I read about the 2.8 puts the mpg in the low 30's
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We have the diesel Wranglers (CRD) here in South Africa, have a look at www.jeep.co.za
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Thats the problem. I don't doubt that there WILL be a diesel. In the video, he doesn't mention which diesel. The reason why the 3.0 is in the GC is due to the towing. The Wrangler is tow limited by it's chassis, so Chrysler may decide that a 4 banger is plenty for a JK since it can only tow 3500lbs or whatever, and there is no need to put in the 3.0. I really hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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Thats the problem. I don't doubt that there WILL be a diesel. In the video, he doesn't mention which diesel. The reason why the 3.0 is in the GC is due to the towing. The Wrangler is tow limited by it's chassis, so Chrysler may decide that a 4 banger is plenty for a JK since it can only tow 3500lbs or whatever, and there is no need to put in the 3.0. I really hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Thats very true I just hope the economics help force chryslers hand into putting the 3 L into the wrangler that way they only have to supply parts for one diesel engine and only have to train techs on one diesel also. I don't know but would having only one diesel reduce certification costs?
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There is no reason to put a diesel in a jk if the miles per gallon are that low. The pentastar rated 17/23, I get 18/20 with sahara wheels using 10% ethanol... The price increase a diesel and the almost identical mpg does not justify using a diesel of that capacity. Maybe they used Europe as a testing ground, but it would require a wrangler specific transmission to utilize torque to mpg ratio people are looking for in the wrangler chassis... So now we are dealing with a wrangler specific motor paired with a wrangler specific tranny which would seem to put the cost out of range for most people. I just don't see Chrysler retooling for a vehicle that would only sell a few thousand per year.
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There is no reason to put a diesel in a jk if the miles per gallon are that low. The pentastar rated 17/23, I get 18/20 with sahara wheels using 10% ethanol... The price increase a diesel and the almost identical mpg does not justify using a diesel of that capacity. Maybe they used Europe as a testing ground, but it would require a wrangler specific transmission to utilize torque to mpg ratio people are looking for in the wrangler chassis... So now we are dealing with a wrangler specific motor paired with a wrangler specific tranny which would seem to put the cost out of range for most people. I just don't see Chrysler retooling for a vehicle that would only sell a few thousand per year.
MPG is #4 on my priority list of why I want a diesel. Take your Sahara that you get 18/20 with, add 900lbs of cargo, 2 adult passengers, 600lbs in armor, a roof rack with 300lbs of gear on it, two full width steel bumpers, a 10,000lb winch, and 5 35" tires and let me know how your mpg is, not to mention, how speedy your jeep is.
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There is no reason to put a diesel in a jk if the miles per gallon are that low. The pentastar rated 17/23, I get 18/20 with sahara wheels using 10% ethanol... The price increase a diesel and the almost identical mpg does not justify using a diesel of that capacity. Maybe they used Europe as a testing ground, but it would require a wrangler specific transmission to utilize torque to mpg ratio people are looking for in the wrangler chassis... So now we are dealing with a wrangler specific motor paired with a wrangler specific tranny which would seem to put the cost out of range for most people. I just don't see Chrysler retooling for a vehicle that would only sell a few thousand per year.
Here is an article about the 2.8L and 3.0l

2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Wrangler Unlimited diesels First Drive - Autoblog

at the end the JKU with a 3.21 axle got 28.3 in the city and 36.2 on the highway. the 2.8 also makes 339 ft lbs so 3.21 axle ratio might not hurt the performance quite so much. as for the tranny the 3.0 L diesel is already coming with the new 8 speed transmission which is more than capable of handling the torque and still maintaining fuel economy. now the current manual trans is not rated for what the 3.0l can put out so it would not overly surprise me if a diesel wrangler only came in automatic. And honestly I think a diesel wrangler would sell quite a bit more than a few thousand units. The buzz for the diesel grand and ram 1500 seems to be getting pretty big, at least where I live
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One of the reasons I wanted a diesel (besides the added power) is range. I just went on a 3000 journey with mine, and did about 350-360 miles per tank with my pentastar V6, 3.21 gears and 33x12.50 tires. Are you telling me that you are getting 370 miles or range with 4 banger diesel?! ( I realize you might be getting this range with less gallons, but that's irrelevant to me.)
I think, that the reason of RUBI's low mileage is DANA44 axles. There is higher gears ratio - 4:1 instead your 3.21:1. So, as you see, for one turn of wheel(?) you need 3.21 rounds of shaft(??), mine - 4. Its corresponds with technical data onto German JEEP web-site - they sell both models: http://www.jeep.de/download/pdf/2013...e_Wrangler.pdf
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Wow!!! The mileage I got out of that Ford 4 banger diesel was in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 mpg. 22.5 & 25 are not much better then we are getting out of the 3.6 gas. I'd be expecting in the 30 range and be very disappointed in the numbers you are getting.
Sure, I would like to see it much better, but it is as it is. At speed about 55 mph it will be about 25-27mpg. At 73-75 mph speed the mileage drops down very quick - to 20-21 level. AS I drew 100 miles hi-speed higway at the Ukraine - about 80mph - mileage became 20-21. At the same part of this way, when I've ridden mine old BMW530D with 230 hp 3L, 6-inline engine, it made about 40-42 mpg. But, as it seems to me, they are pretty different cars ))))))))) So, for me it's OK. As they say - the drag coeff of JK is the same, as kiosk has ))) So we all have to pay for this a little bit extra.
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I have done 400 highway miles in my JK with 3.21. Why do I need a diesel again lol?
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Many of the car manufactures are trying to reduces the number of engines they provide across models, same thing is happening in FIAT group and Chrysler with the Pentastar being across many models and variable power differences. The same goes with the 3.0L Eco diesel which is in a lot of models.
The same engine as I repeat in another post I did in some other Thread, for Europe is EURO 6 emmision compliant coming into effect 1/1/2015, and the current 2.8L CRD is the EURO 5, which will go out of effect on the same date.
I see it as they will replace the current Engine for the Wrangler 2015MY with the Eco Diesel 3.0l one but just keep it at the low performance of 200hp version VS the GC of 265hp high performance, so that the Jeep will be able to be legaly be sold in EU. If this is the case then I don't see why not have the US Wrangler offered with the same engine as it is in the new 2014 GC having the US emmisions approval.
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