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Old 05-26-2013, 12:47 PM   #1
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Dipped headlights

Hi. My 2013 JKR has the new projector style headlights with the H3 build. Ugly too IMHO

Anyway. My question is that these dip left for the USA. How do I get them to dip right for UK?
Dealers here won't or can't answer as they say they don't have them here in the UK yet. I really don't want to have to buy new lights for touring.
My BMW motorbike has a simple switch that changes the headlight to dip left I UK or to dip right in Europe.

For "normal" headlights, one can but stick ons that block the dip so that when changing driving sides, oncoming drivers don't get dazzled. These also aren't available.

Does anybody have any insight?
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I don't think projectors are an OEM option in the US... I wish they where... I would think the e spec lamps would be though.

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I don't think projectors are an OEM option in the US... I wish they where... I would think the e spec lamps would be though.
Interesting since my Rubicon is stock and US spec.

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Interesting since my Rubicon is stock and US spec.

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I should be getting my 13 Rubi tomorrow or Tuesday, I've never seen em... That would be a treat! Mines a 10A so I'd think it would be in it if so...

Have you tried just adjusting the lights, I know on my '12 there was a torks that did the up down right left at the same time. Had to monkey with it when I did my truck lites.

Can you take a pic of them and post it?
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:42 PM   #6
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On the very bottom of the glass were the following lettering, which does suggest genuine Chrysler lights...

H13 DOT VOR SAE HR 01 [Chrysler trademark] DC [diamond symbol]

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Thats not a projector. It is the same crappy headlight we have in the US. This is a projector headlight

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As you can see, there is an actual projector in the headlight. By far the best and most useful mod I have done to my rig.
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Yep those are smr or sfr lamps. You may want to look head lamp replacements truck lites and rm speaker are popular here in the us
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The good news is that now I know! Many thanks guys.


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The next question is how do I get them to dip the other way?


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The next question is how do I get them to dip the other way?

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Ok so in Canada/US both headlights dip (low beam) there is no difference left or right.
On low beam you are safe for oncoming traffic left or right side.
If you Jeep is US spec you are fine as is.
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But I'm in the UK - dip left - and will travel often and extensively to France and Spain - dip right.
So it "may" be ok just to leave as is, BUT


... One obvious solution would be to have so sets of lights, though that's overkill


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Ok so in Canada/US both headlights dip (low beam) there is no difference left or right.
On low beam you are safe for oncoming traffic left or right side.
If you Jeep is US spec you are fine as is.
...both countries drive on the right anyway


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...both countries drive on the right anyway

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Yes but my point is the low beam left side is the exact same as low beam right. They are not different. When you dip both left and right dip, not one or the other. Drive up to a flat wall at 25' dip your lights both left and right will dip they are the same.
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These Jeep lights are so bad that no one is going to be blinded, no matter which way you did them.

As others have suggested, replace them. LEDs are now the preferred choice, but pricey. Hella replacements will fit and you can order the lenses to suit where you drive the most.
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Ok Patrick .. This is interesting. This may be why in North America we call them Lowbeams and you call them Dipping.
When you dip the headlights on European vehicles, only 1 headlight dips and not both?
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Both dip left in UK and right in Europe. The near side light throwing the furthest so the off side won't dazzle on coming drivers.
Typically we use a clear plastic stick-on over the part of the les with the dipped part of the beam. Many drivers think this bends the dip the other way, while in fact it just dims the light. Problem is then that your low beams are just worse than ever.
BMW overcame this with their motorbike headlights which can be simply switched to dip either way.
In order to use legally dipped lights, you either switch the dip or buy a second set of lights. The latter is expensive, but if you do travel a lot between Continental Europe and the UK it's worth it.


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These Jeep lights are so bad that no one is going to be blinded, no matter which way you did them.

As others have suggested, replace them. LEDs are now the preferred choice, but pricey. Hella replacements will fit and you can order the lenses to suit where you drive the most.
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So I still don't understand this dipping you speak of.. You have lowbeam , high beam and Dip? Our lights are the same left and right. When we switch to lowbeam both left and right light have a very sharp cut off so as to not blind on coming traffic even if you drive directly toward them.. We have no left or right aiming per say.
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High means throw a symmetrical light pattern. With the jeep lights, both high and low beams throw a symmetrical pattern directly in front of the vehicle.

In Europe the regs are that low beams must throw an asymmetric pattern, with more light on the near side. So in England low beams are dipped to the left, abound in Europe low beams are dipped to the right. This prevents low beams from dazzling oncoming drivers while throwing light further on the driver's near side to increase the distance he can see lit.
As a result, English cars will dazzle drivers in continental Europe as their lights, dipping the wrong way, will dazzle oncoming drivers. Similarly a French car, with low Beas dipping left, will dazzle drivers on UK roads.
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Headlamp Alignment Testing criteria

The most common type of headlamps fitted to vehicles are those known as European type headlamps which are checked for aim on the dip beam.

These headlamps have an asymmetric dipped beam pattern with a distinctive horizontal cut-off on the right, and a 15 degree wedge of light above the horizontal (the 'kick-up') towards the left.
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More here with a diagram....UK regulations, so the low beam pattern is showing more light to the left, the near side, ie dipped left


http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/reposito...203%20V1.0.pdf


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So. Low beams in England throw a longer beam on the left kerb side. That enables drivers to see the road edge, while not blinding on- coming vehicles. In Europe, low beams do the opposite...so they throw a longer beam to the right. Now if an Engish car were to drive in France, that longer thrown low beam to the left will now dazzle the on coming driver. We usually blank out a small area of the headlamp lens that stops this. It's quite easy, as most headlamps show a pattern on the glass. My jeep lights are completely clear, so I have no idea where to blank out the light.
I spoke to jeep. They told me not to worry, as its "unlikely" the police will stop me! They're actually suggesting its ok to break the law as I'll get away with it! Wow.
The solution for me is to buy from a UK dealer, standard UK jeep headlights, and then go to a French dealer, and buy another set for Europe. Clearly not ideal. Certainly not cheap. Certainly keeps me legal!
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Let me help out....as I understand it, US vehicles are COMPLETELY different from Euro vehicles in this respect. US vehicles have a high beam and a low beam. Some Euro vehicles have a high beam and a low beam, but they also have the ability to 'dip' the lights when there is oncoming traffic on a lonely road. It is a different setting for something BELOW low beam. I think you guys are talking past each other because of this. I haven't driven a Euro car, so I can't say for sure. But this is what has been described to me.
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On Jeeps in the UK, there should be a button in the 6 button blank on the center console below the Heat/AC knobs. Depending on your options, it will have heated seats, 115V outlet, ect...

In the states, there is an empty bank not used (third from the right)...that is where your dip switch is at....or at least "should" be for UK spec'd Wrangler. But you say yours is US spec'd?
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So I still don't understand this dipping you speak of.. You have lowbeam , high beam and Dip? Our lights are the same left and right. When we switch to lowbeam both left and right light have a very sharp cut off so as to not blind on coming traffic even if you drive directly toward them.. We have no left or right aiming per say.

Keep in mind that North American vehicles drive on the right hand side of the road and in the UK or Japan, they use the left side of the road. The beam pattern for a N.A. vehicle is wrong in the UK or Japan and vice versa.

Since UK drivers can access the Euro continent via the Chunnel or a car ferry, they need a way to alter their beam pattern so that it strikes the needed part of the road surface.
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I just noticed this about my headlights this past week while camping, hadnt been anywhere dark enough before. But they are completely symmetrical and seem to go too high on the drivers side. If you've driven a car with good head lights the pattern in the us should look like
________/————— kinda instead of ------------

The drivers light should be a couple feet lower when shined on a wall. Some people on the back roads were flashing their high beams at me also. I think headlights might be my next upgrade.

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