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Old 02-06-2011, 05:36 AM   #1
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Question Disabling ESP

I saw a chart that shows removing the M37 fuse disables the ESP system. My only question is that if this will cause any fatal problem with anything else to the point where the vehicle is no longer drivable. Don't worry about safety concerns and all of that. I only plan to do this when off-road to disable ESP in RWD mode, unless any of you know another way of doing this.

Here is a link to the chart:
Jeep JK Fuse Box Map Layout Diagram - JeepForum.com

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Besides doing the "wheel dance" according to the OM, pulling the fuse sounds alot easier if it infact does the same thing...without effecting any thing else.

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Besides doing the "wheel dance"
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Since it's a fuse, designed to blow out, pulling it will only tell the computer it's open.

My plan is placing a online fuse and a switch to turn it off and on. So we'll see.
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The Wheel Dance
The following procedure will disable (or re-enable) ESP
functionality in the vehicle:
1. Shift the transfer case into the 4H range position.
2. Turn the steering wheel until it is centered and the
wheels are pointed straight ahead.
3. Cycle the ignition key OFF to ON.
4. Wait approximately five seconds for the system bulb
check.
5. Turn and hold the steering wheel one-half turn to the
right (clockwise).
6. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
7. Turn the steering wheel back to center, and turn and
hold an additional one-half turn to the left (counterclockwise)
8. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
9. Turn the steering wheel back to center.
10. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
11. Cycle the ignition key to OFF.
After performing the ESP disable procedure correctly,
“ESP OFF” will be displayed in the odometer for approximately
12 seconds each time the ignition is moved to ON.
Repeating the ESP disable procedure will re-enable normal
ESP operation.
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Partial Off
This mode is entered by momentarily pressing the ESP
OFF switch. When in
Partial Off mode, the TCS portion
of ESP has been disabled and the “ESP/TCS Indicator
Light” will be illuminated. All other stability features of
ESP function normally. This mode is intended to be used
if the vehicle is in deep snow, sand, or gravel conditions
and more wheel spin than ESP would normally allow is
required to gain traction. To turn ESP on again, momentarily
press the ESP OFF switch. This will restore the

normal “ESP On” mode of operation.

ESP Off (4H Range Only)
This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use
when ESP stability features could inhibit vehicle maneuverability
due to trail conditions. This mode is entered by
pressing and holding the ESP OFF switch for five seconds
when the vehicle is stopped and the engine is running. In
this mode, all ESP and TCS stability features are turned
off except for the “limited slip” feature described in the
TCS section. After five seconds, a chime will sound, the
“ESP/TCS Indicator Light” will illuminate, and the “ESP
OFF
 message will appear in the odometer. Refer to
“Compass and Mini-Trip Computer — If Equipped” in
Section 4 of this manual. To turn ESP on again, momentarily
press the ESP OFF switch. This will restore the
normal “ESP On” mode of operation.

NOTE:
The ESP system will change to “Partial Off” mode if
the vehicle speed exceeds 40 mph (64 km/h). After the
vehicle speed is reduced below 35 mph (56 km/h), the
ESP system will return to “Full Off” mode.

The “ESP OFF” message will display and the audible
chime will sound when the shift lever is placed in the
PARK position from any position other than PARK,
and then moved out of the PARK position. This will
occur even if the message was previously cleared.

With the ESP switched off, the enhanced vehicle
stability offered by ESP and ERM are unavailable. In
an emergency evasive maneuver, the ESP and ERM
systems will not engage to assist in maintaining
stability. The “Full Off” ESP mode is intended for
off-road use only.

5
Disabling ESP for Modified Vehicles (4WD Models
Only)

Vehicles modified with larger tires and/or suspension
lifts may experience early ESP activations as compared to
a non-modified production vehicle depending on lift
size, tire size, suspension changes and/or driving habits.
If early ESP activations are experienced while driving a
modified vehicle, the additional ability to permanently
turn off ESP is available. A steering wheel/ESP button
maneuver must be performed to permanently disable
ESP and defeat the functionality of the ESP switch.
Repeating the procedure will return the system to normal
ESP operation and restore ESP switch functionality allowing
ESP “Partial” or “Off” modes

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Besides doing the "wheel dance" according to the OM, pulling the fuse sounds alot easier if it infact does the same thing...without effecting any thing else.
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The following procedure will disable (or re-enable) ESP
functionality in the vehicle:
1. Shift the transfer case into the 4H range position.
2. Turn the steering wheel until it is centered and the
wheels are pointed straight ahead.
3. Cycle the ignition key OFF to ON.
4. Wait approximately five seconds for the system bulb
check.
5. Turn and hold the steering wheel one-half turn to the
right (clockwise).
6. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
7. Turn the steering wheel back to center, and turn and
hold an additional one-half turn to the left (counterclockwise).
8. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
9. Turn the steering wheel back to center.
10. Press and hold the ESP OFF button for seven seconds.
11. Cycle the ignition key to OFF.
After performing the ESP disable procedure correctly,
“ESP OFF” will be displayed in the odometer for approximately
12 seconds each time the ignition is moved to ON.
Repeating the ESP disable procedure will re-enable normal
ESP operation.
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Does this work on the 2007s? I didn't see anything about this in the manual.
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Does this work on the 2007s? I didn't see anything about this in the manual.
I'm sure it does. I just looked at the 2007 manual and everything is the same except for the wheel dance maneuver being explained. I'm thinking it was added by request. Give it a try. I have heard that it sometimes takes a couple of tries to get it right.
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Thanks J.B. and daggo66. I'll try this tomorrow and check back with the results.
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IIRC, I think I heard that some people with 2007s were having problems doing this. They found out the dealer had to flash their Jeep to allow the steering dance. Anyone recall this?
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My Jeep is in the shop right now so it's going to have to wait.
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I disabled the ESP, but now the orange ESP light is always on. Oh well.

Oh, and for whatever reason my vent fan doesn't work anymore. It can't be from disabling the ESP, because it still worked after I did that. The next day is when it stopped working. I've tried several times to enable ESP again but I can't seem to do it.
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The ESP light will always remain on when its disabled by the wheel dance or by fault or by fuse removeal - its to let you know its disabled.

However, the ESP is also part of the ABS, which also controls the Electronic Brake Lock Differential. So pulling the fuse will also wipe out ABS and EBLD.

I prefer the wheel dance as the ELBD is actually not to bad off road and the ABS goes into an 'off road' mode when in 4 low to reduce the effect.
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Does this work on the 2007s? I didn't see anything about this in the manual.
Jeep mailed the additional page last year to add to the owners manual. At least I got one for my 09 last year that way.
They also said it was sent out because it was causing problems with some people with bigger tires and/or lifts while driving on roadways and kicking in when not necessary.
So its very possible since you have a 07 that your page was never received or added to the manual.

Personally I say the wheel dance is better than removing a fuse. It's the more approved way and therefore safer I would think. But that's just me and how I did mine.
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Oh I forgot to mention in my post before, the upgrade was released as a TSB in early 2008 for 2007 models, but still not included in most 2008 models sold as I guess it was to late. They didnt reprint/upgrade the manuals til the 2010 model as I guess there was not enough difference in 2008/2009, hence the addendum in the form of an added page.
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I disabled the ESP, but now the orange ESP light is always on. Oh well.

Oh, and for whatever reason my vent fan doesn't work anymore. It can't be from disabling the ESP, because it still worked after I did that. The next day is when it stopped working. I've tried several times to enable ESP again but I can't seem to do it.

We're you able to re-enable it? I've tried numerous times. Wife is getting cranky cause she is annoyed by the light and since the snow is gone, there isn't much opportunity to "play" around here so she wants me to enable it to get rid of the light.
I must be doing something wrong? I disabled it without a problem in the fall, but now I can't turn it on again.
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So is what we are saying here is that with the ESP off wheel dance that the brake lock will still work when in 4wd? I hate my ESP when off road and if you go full off (5 second hold) when going back and forth to 2wd just turns it back on again. I don't see how a full off would allow the bld to still work. I like the switch Idea someone had and might ask my electronic man about rigging something up.
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So is what we are saying here is that with the ESP off wheel dance that the brake lock will still work when in 4wd? I hate my ESP when off road and if you go full off (5 second hold) when going back and forth to 2wd just turns it back on again. I don't see how a full off would allow the bld to still work. I like the switch Idea someone had and might ask my electronic man about rigging something up.
There is no way to turn off BLD. This was a question posed to the Jeep engineers on another forum and they confirmed it.
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[QUOTE=PanthersFan;1141706]There is no way to turn off BLD. This was a question posed to the Jeep engineers on another forum and they confirmed it.[/
Do you have a link or pm me the info. I like being able to have wheel spin when in muddy terrain but also like the idea of the brake lock. I know this don't make sense but there's a time and place for both.
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Googled it and found links. Love the knowledge.
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Partial Off
This mode is entered by momentarily pressing the ESP
OFF switch. When in
Partial Off mode, the TCS portion
of ESP has been disabled and the “ESP/TCS Indicator
Light” will be illuminated. All other stability features of
ESP function normally. This mode is intended to be used
if the vehicle is in deep snow, sand, or gravel conditions
and more wheel spin than ESP would normally allow is
required to gain traction. To turn ESP on again, momentarily
press the ESP OFF switch. This will restore the

normal “ESP On” mode of operation.

ESP Off (4H Range Only)
This mode is intended for off-highway or off-road use
when ESP stability features could inhibit vehicle maneuverability
due to trail conditions. This mode is entered by
pressing and holding the ESP OFF switch for five seconds
when the vehicle is stopped and the engine is running. In
this mode, all ESP and TCS stability features are turned
off except for the “limited slip” feature described in the
TCS section. After five seconds, a chime will sound, the
“ESP/TCS Indicator Light” will illuminate, and the “ESP
OFF
 message will appear in the odometer. Refer to
“Compass and Mini-Trip Computer — If Equipped” in
Section 4 of this manual. To turn ESP on again, momentarily
press the ESP OFF switch. This will restore the
normal “ESP On” mode of operation.

NOTE:
The ESP system will change to “Partial Off” mode if
the vehicle speed exceeds 40 mph (64 km/h). After the
vehicle speed is reduced below 35 mph (56 km/h), the
ESP system will return to “Full Off” mode.

The “ESP OFF” message will display and the audible
chime will sound when the shift lever is placed in the
PARK position from any position other than PARK,
and then moved out of the PARK position. This will
occur even if the message was previously cleared.

With the ESP switched off, the enhanced vehicle
stability offered by ESP and ERM are unavailable. In
an emergency evasive maneuver, the ESP and ERM
systems will not engage to assist in maintaining
stability. The “Full Off” ESP mode is intended for
off-road use only.

5
Disabling ESP for Modified Vehicles (4WD Models
Only)

Vehicles modified with larger tires and/or suspension
lifts may experience early ESP activations as compared to
a non-modified production vehicle depending on lift
size, tire size, suspension changes and/or driving habits.
If early ESP activations are experienced while driving a
modified vehicle, the additional ability to permanently
turn off ESP is available. A steering wheel/ESP button
maneuver must be performed to permanently disable
ESP and defeat the functionality of the ESP switch.
Repeating the procedure will return the system to normal
ESP operation and restore ESP switch functionality allowing
ESP “Partial” or “Off” modes

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When in fully disabled mode (wheel dance) the brake lock differential and the 4wd mode of ABS (less sensitive than normal) are both still active. If you pull the (ABS) fuse both will be completely disabled.

I like the brake lock differential, but you do need to be careful as it will lock out the brakes at times (have had it happen to me and 2 others on the same slippery hill - got 2/3 of the way up slipping and sliding, called it quits and jumped on the brake pedal to find it rock hard and no brakes for about the next 5 seconds...). Some scary moments followed as we rolled unstoppable backwards!
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We're you able to re-enable it? I've tried numerous times. Wife is getting cranky cause she is annoyed by the light and since the snow is gone, there isn't much opportunity to "play" around here so she wants me to enable it to get rid of the light.
I must be doing something wrong? I disabled it without a problem in the fall, but now I can't turn it on again.
I was able to re-enable it again after trying it several times. As for the vent fan thing, there was an obstruction in the vent motor that needed to be cleared out. All fixed now!
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I was able to re-enable it again after trying it several times. As for the vent fan thing, there was an obstruction in the vent motor that needed to be cleared out. All fixed now!
Maybe I'll try again tonight - you must have the magic touch cause the other night I went out and tried about 100 times and so far as been unsuccessful to re-enable it. Wife gettin' pissy and dealer wants $50 to reset it! WTF.
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Seriously, I'm about ready to lose it. I have done the "wheel dance" literally at least 50 times...with no luck. I'm usually pretty good at this kind of stuff, but this one is going to be the death of me.

For some reason I have the ESP, ABS, and Traction Control lights all illuminated on my dash. They will turn off, then turn right back on after a few minutes. Could this be my issue? I've taken it to the Jeep dealership here, and they are very unhelpful...if not complete idiots. It seems that, thanks to Google, and sites like this, I know whats wrong with the Jeep before they do.

Any ideas on WHAT I can be doing wrong?
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Seriously, I'm about ready to lose it. I have done the "wheel dance" literally at least 50 times...with no luck. I'm usually pretty good at this kind of stuff, but this one is going to be the death of me.

For some reason I have the ESP, ABS, and Traction Control lights all illuminated on my dash. They will turn off, then turn right back on after a few minutes. Could this be my issue? I've taken it to the Jeep dealership here, and they are very unhelpful...if not complete idiots. It seems that, thanks to Google, and sites like this, I know whats wrong with the Jeep before they do.

Any ideas on WHAT I can be doing wrong?
The wheel dance does NOT work on 12-13 models
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For some reason I have the ESP, ABS, and Traction Control lights all illuminated on my dash. They will turn off, then turn right back on after a few minutes.
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The wheel dance does NOT work on 12-13 models
if the lights are already on, you have bigger issues to worry about.. i would start looking for a bad abs wheel sensor. and go from there.
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This is my first vehicle that has tried driving for me... I hate it. I plan on completely uninstalling traction and stability control if it's not too difficult. I will then install a rear locker. I don't want/need my car making corrections for me. Also I can't say I'm impressed that they give you a button to turn it off but it doesn't actually do that....

Stop enabling bad lazy drivers to drive!
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This is my first vehicle that has tried driving for me... I hate it. I plan on completely uninstalling traction and stability control if it's not too difficult. I will then install a rear locker. I don't want/need my car making corrections for me. Also I can't say I'm impressed that they give you a button to turn it off but it doesn't actually do that....

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