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Old 04-09-2013, 12:30 PM   #31
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CAN YOU JUST BUY THIS HARNESS?
Yes, that is the separate NAV-TV harness. It comes with a couple of other wire tails but I didn't install those.

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Old 04-09-2013, 08:20 PM   #32
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I used the commander kit and i think the picture is a little grainy ..i was thinking i could get a better camera and mabey the pic would be better

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So if I have a spod and wanted to be able to turn the camera on whenever I want via a switch, I could technically just wire it to the spod instead of tapping into the reverse light?
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Great write-up! Can you post a photo of the camera view when a trailer hitch is in the receiver? I'm going to install the same camera but I want to make sure that I can use the camera to help line up the hitch with a trailer. It looks like the ball hitch might obstruct the camera view but I'd like to see it if possible.
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I used the commander kit and i think the picture is a little grainy ..i was thinking i could get a better camera and mabey the pic would be better
If you have bright lights in the area, does it cause the entire image to go saturated and you can see gradients? Mine does, and I hate it. Haven't swapped the camera out yet, but eventually I will.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:23 AM   #36
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Yes, that is the separate NAV-TV harness. It comes with a couple of other wire tails but I didn't install those.
For clarity, who manufactures that harness, and do you ave a URL ?
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I purchased the harness from NAV-TV

You may be able make your own harness but sourcing the components.
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Nice job! I did the same thing on my 04 ram. I used the clip on rear view tv/mirror. I like yours better
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anyone in dallas do this install?

Looking for the same install for a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited, but I can't do this myself. Any recommendations on a professional in Dallas?
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Awesome write up. I plan to do this soon. I also plan to install the Lockpick.

Two questions.
1. Will the Lockpick allow me to use the camera without reversing?
2. With the Lockpick installed, will I need to take an alternate route with some wiring?

I understand this is a specific write up for the back up camera but it's the only solid write up I've seen for installing a back up camera to the original navi system. And I noticed the AllGig is from the same manufacturer as the Lockpick. Also, I'm horrible with wiring so anything will help.
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Awesome write up. I plan to do this soon. I also plan to install the Lockpick.

Two questions.
1. Will the Lockpick allow me to use the camera without reversing?
2. With the Lockpick installed, will I need to take an alternate route with some wiring?

I understand this is a specific write up for the back up camera but it's the only solid write up I've seen for installing a back up camera to the original navi system. And I noticed the AllGig is from the same manufacturer as the Lockpick. Also, I'm horrible with wiring so anything will help.
1. Yes, it can be turned on at any time. It depends on how you set it up.
2. Not sure what you mean by alternate...but you will have to run some wires for the install. It is fairly simple.
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Looking for the same install for a 2013 Wrangler Unlimited, but I can't do this myself. Any recommendations on a professional in Dallas?
Car Toys is a nav-tv dealer and can do the install. At least the one in south Arlington by the Parks Mall will. They don't keep the nav-tv in stock and would order if needed. They do stock a variety of backup cameras though. I thought their installation charge was to much at $250. Their quote for complete out the door installation was around $750. I decided to do it myself once the weather cools down this fall. Actually I'm thinking of ordering the Mopar kit and installing that then having the dealer turn on the backup feature on the 430n head unit and save some $$$.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:17 AM   #43
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nice write up. i was thinking of getting the camera used in other vehicles with the RBZ.. i guess i will have to compare the cameras features
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I realize i'm not really adding much to this, but why is this not standard on the Jeep? If not standard, at least an option?
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I realize i'm not really adding much to this, but why is this not standard on the Jeep? If not standard, at least an option?
I can understand it not being standard (owners might swap out bumpers or carriers would it could be mounted)....but I have no clue why it isn't an option.

Same for homelink...
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So, am I correct in assuming that there are three different ways you can add a backup camera to a 2013 JK?

1. The ALLGIG_XG-HS with the ALLGIG A/V & Camera Harness
2. The "LockPick" module
3. A "Mopar Kit" and have the dealer enable rear camera on the 430N

A side benefit of #1 & #2 above, as I understand it, is to allow in motion use of the GPS for destination entry while you're driving. The LockPick does this by faking out the GPS's speed display to read 0 (zero) MPH so it thinks it's stopped. Does the Nav-TV gear work the same way? And how about the Mopar Kit?

And, if the dealer is able to "turn the backup camera feature on" why would you need the ALLGIG or LockPick gear?

What is the part number of this "Mopar Kit"?

What am I missing here?
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Fuzzy pic ,,

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I used the commander kit and i think the picture is a little grainy ..i was thinking i could get a better camera and mabey the pic would be better
Hi , I also installed the commander kit and have the same grainy picture? Is there a better camera out there that will replace the one I have now ?
Anybody else have this same poor picture quality from the commander kit ?
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So, am I correct in assuming that there are three different ways you can add a backup camera to a 2013 JK?

1. The ALLGIG_XG-HS with the ALLGIG A/V & Camera Harness
2. The "LockPick" module
3. A "Mopar Kit" and have the dealer enable rear camera on the 430N

A side benefit of #1 & #2 above, as I understand it, is to allow in motion use of the GPS for destination entry while you're driving. The LockPick does this by faking out the GPS's speed display to read 0 (zero) MPH so it thinks it's stopped. Does the Nav-TV gear work the same way? And how about the Mopar Kit?

And, if the dealer is able to "turn the backup camera feature on" why would you need the ALLGIG or LockPick gear?

What is the part number of this "Mopar Kit"?

What am I missing here?
I have the Lockpick v.5...and I don't have nav. It does quite a bit more than just allow for nav to be used while in motion. Quite a bit more...
MYGIG LOCKPICK
Some of the big items:
Nav input in motion
DVD viewing in motion
0-60 timer
Up to three cameras installed
The ability to turn on the cameras at any time, not just in reverse.
RCA audio and video outputs and inputs
Pre-wired with 12V constant, 12V switched, along with the dedicated reverse power supplies.
No splicing and dealer flash needed
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I have the Lockpick v.5...and I don't have nav. It does quite a bit more than just allow for nav to be used while in motion. Quite a bit more...
MYGIG LOCKPICK
Some of the big items:
Nav input in motion
DVD viewing in motion
0-60 timer
Up to three cameras installed
The ability to turn on the cameras at any time, not just in reverse.
RCA audio and video outputs and inputs
Pre-wired with 12V constant, 12V switched, along with the dedicated reverse power supplies.
No splicing and dealer flash needed
I looked at your profile and saw you also have a 2013 JKUS. I have a couple of questions!

1. Did you have any compatibility issues with the Lockpick? When you look at their website they don't list anything about the 2013 model year. Also I thought I remembered reading in another forum that the Lockpick v.5 wasn't compatible with the 2013 model year radios. I didn't think there was any difference between the 2012 and 2013 radios but you never know. Would appreciate you clearing this up for me.

2. Did you do the installation yourself?

Any info you can provide would be very much appreciated.
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I looked at your profile and saw you also have a 2013 JKUS. I have a couple of questions!

1. Did you have any compatibility issues with the Lockpick? When you look at their website they don't list anything about the 2013 model year. Also I thought I remembered reading in another forum that the Lockpick v.5 wasn't compatible with the 2013 model year radios. I didn't think there was any difference between the 2012 and 2013 radios but you never know. Would appreciate you clearing this up for me.

2. Did you do the installation yourself?

Any info you can provide would be very much appreciated.
I don't know about the 2013 radio issue...I ordered the 130, then swapped it out for a 430rbz out of a 2010 Town and Country. I thought they worked fine for the 2013's and as far as I know, the 2012 and 2013 HU's are the same....but I can't say for sure.

And yup, I did the install myself. Lockpick is really easy to install. The rear camera isn't hard....but running the wires and getting them out of sight can be time consuming.
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Hi , I also installed the commander kit and have the same grainy picture? Is there a better camera out there that will replace the one I have now ?
Anybody else have this same poor picture quality from the commander kit ?
I'm looking at getting a new camera. Pat@fields friend who is a well respected installer recommends an Audiovox CMOS2 camera
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I don't know about the 2013 radio issue...I ordered the 130, then swapped it out for a 430rbz out of a 2010 Town and Country. I thought they worked fine for the 2013's and as far as I know, the 2012 and 2013 HU's are the same....but I can't say for sure.

And yup, I did the install myself. Lockpick is really easy to install. The rear camera isn't hard....but running the wires and getting them out of sight can be time consuming.
Thanks panthermark for the info. I will do a little more research on the lock pick.
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Car Toys is a nav-tv dealer and can do the install. At least the one in south Arlington by the Parks Mall will. They don't keep the nav-tv in stock and would order if needed. They do stock a variety of backup cameras though. I thought their installation charge was to much at $250. Their quote for complete out the door installation was around $750. I decided to do it myself once the weather cools down this fall. Actually I'm thinking of ordering the Mopar kit and installing that then having the dealer turn on the backup feature on the 430n head unit and save some $$$.
Thanks for the reply! What is the Mopar kit and do you jnow the costs? also, what is the "backup" feature in the 430n? I have the factory issued 430, does it come with a feature bug not turned on?
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If you are just looking for the camera, the commander back up camera part # 82211293 works. We have been adding them to a few of our in stock Wrangler Unlimiteds an mounting in the rear bumper. The spare is barely seen at the very top.
Above is the part number for the backup camera as posted by our Jeep man Pat. I priced the camera at my local Jeep dealer and it was either $130 or $160, can't exactly remember (damn CRS). I also spoke with the service manager to make sure they would turn that feature on for me if I bought the camera and he said they would.

With that being said, I have read a few post since then that say this camera optically isn't so good and have read about others using other camera brands with better results. There are several other threads here that discuss this. Go check out the "Communications and Electronics" forum and you will find several helpful threads concerning backup camera solutions for the wrangler.

Hope this helps. Keep us posted on what you decide to do and will do likewise.
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Is it possible to have a dealer add the backup camera function with Starscan, but use an aftermarket camera instead of the Commander kit?
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Is it possible to have a dealer add the backup camera function with Starscan, but use an aftermarket camera instead of the Commander kit?
I believe all they are doing is enabling the radio to receive signal from those pins on the connector. If you find a pigtail that goes to RCA style, and the camera is a 12 volt camera, you should be ok. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think there is just +12 v, ground, video signal and video shield. (4 pins)
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Above is the part number for the backup camera as posted by our Jeep man Pat. I priced the camera at my local Jeep dealer and it was either $130 or $160, can't exactly remember (damn CRS). I also spoke with the service manager to make sure they would turn that feature on for me if I bought the camera and he said they would.

With that being said, I have read a few post since then that say this camera optically isn't so good and have read about others using other camera brands with better results. There are several other threads here that discuss this. Go check out the "Communications and Electronics" forum and you will find several helpful threads concerning backup camera solutions for the wrangler.

Hope this helps. Keep us posted on what you decide to do and will do likewise.
I hate to quote myself but I forgot that I had done a screen shot of the parts page concerning the backup camera. I'm posting it for anyone that needs the info.

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You don't need a Mopar Kit, just a backup cam and flash with the Starscan.
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You don't need a Mopar Kit, just a backup cam and flash with the Starscan.
Cool... I'm going to have the dealer Starscan it once my Jeep gets delivered. All I need to do now is find a compatible connector and I'll build my own pigtail to connect an RCA backup camera. I think I'll just measure the pin spacing on the head unit, and then search around on Mouser for a connector. Hopefully I can do the entire install for ~$100.
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Great write-up - thanks for taking the time to do this for the forum! I know how much additional time it takes to photo-document every step and then write up the process and integrate the pics into the story. Thanks!

I too have a question:

I'll be getting an aftermarket bumper and don't want to have them put a hole in it. Are there other options for camera installation up high like on/in the spare tire?

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