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Old 04-07-2012, 02:13 AM   #1
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DIY Speaker Install

so this isn't quite as detailed as I wanted because when you start to install something you've never done or you start having fun, you forget to take pics... but I TRIED to make it a DIY. felt it may be useful in the future for someone like me. didn't want to pay someone 100/hr for something I should know how to do.

I didn't find any thread with lots of pictures. just ones with lots of paragraphs. which I didn't read because I'm lazy so I walked out to my jeep with some tools and my new speakers and just went nuts. even ended up removing parts of the dash for fun to see how easy it was to change things out (i.e. I am looking to change the back lighting of the dash from green to white sometime in the future).

anyway...here are some pictures and I'll try to elaborate on each as best memory will serve. by the way, I have NEVER installed speakers or wired or spliced or removed a dash, I didn't even know what a crossover was until 10am this morning...prior knowledge of electrical mods were my aux lights and that was literally a blink of an eye compared to this install (for me).

tools were pretty simple. sockets included 7mm (basically ALL the screws holding the dash), 10mm (two that I remember, one holding each speaker box underneath). a torx-15 for the visor (not sure you even have to remove it but I did, made taking apart a-pillar parts a lot easier). philips head for removing the stock speakers from the boxes and installing the new ones. wire splice and some electrical tape. I also had to use a drill to make new holes to install the hertz in the stock speaker boxes. and using your fingers a lot, so wear some mechanics gloves unless you want sore finger tips

the product... hertz ask 165, (speakers shown later in comparison to stock)



the first thing removed, the glove box....pull up and out, very easy. I circled the hidden screws (took me 10 minutes to find lol) that I removed later to be able to pull the dash out enough to take out the sound box holding the stock speaker.



removed everything around a-pillar



removed side dash panel



removed panel under steering column, just easily pops out, pull around perimeter



pulled out the storage tray on top and removed the screw



started to removed the panel around the display and radio which is one piece, it wasn't budging so I found out I had to remove the little random storage tray and there was a screw behind it before the whole thing could detach (removing the tray in picture, notice I had already pulled the dash off a bit)



the dash is now removed, woo! still have no idea at this point if it's helping my installation, just going with it and learning about my jeep and how parts fit.



removed the a/c control unit for fun...wanted to see how complicated it was, idk. again, just being curious. didn't effect my install.




Now I started to unscrew everything in sight basically. a few of the screws are a bit hidden as you saw above. one of these on each side, passenger and driver in the same spot



driver side dash screws



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Old 04-07-2012, 02:14 AM   #2
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speaker box screws, there are 2 gold ones and a black on underneath on each speaker box. 3 total holding it in. the 2 gold are 7mm, the one under is 10mm (second pic).




took out all the speakers and compared them to the new ones...what a difference in weight and quality...wow. I'll let you guess which are stock and which are aftermarket...lol.





once I removed the tweeters and speaker boxes I brought them inside. removed the 3 screws holding on the stock speaker (I didn't re-use these, but kept them for future use for who knows what). put the hertz speaker in to mark spots where I will drill holes. drilled the holes, used the hardware that came with the hertz's (silver mounting brackets and screws). I then polyfilled the box before installing them then attached the crossover with the two sided tape hertz supplied and screw them in. only snapped a few pics of this process, was pretty simple and figured not everyone will be getting this speaker brand.



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had to modify the existing tweeter pods so I got out the dremel, drilled out the center pieces and used some epoxy to hold in the new tweeters. don't have pics of them installed, will get them tomorrow. too lazy and dark, but you get the idea.



put everything together and brought it back out. spliced the wires for the tweeters, attached the crossover with the double sided tape, zip tied them. the speaker boxes were a sinch, just plugged them right back in and screwed them in, the splicing and crossover was all done internally inside the box when I took them indoors.

that's about it. if I forgot to add anything feel free to ask.

overall, this was more of a learning process than anything and glad I did it. good luck to those who are wanting to upgrade their stock system (especially if it was POS like mine). it made a HUUUUUGGGGGGEEEEE difference. once those coax speakers come in for the sound bar, I'll be set. never thought it would be this fantastic of a mod.

me driving to the gym tonight=
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:26 AM   #4
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Can you describe the noticeable differences keeping the stock head unit? Like are the acoustics much better also did you update your sub or kept it stock? Curious to see how those tweeters look installed. You forgot the best part, finished product photos!
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Can you describe the noticeable differences keeping the stock head unit? Like are the acoustics much better also did you update your sub or kept it stock? Curious to see how those tweeters look installed. You forgot the best part, finished product photos!
the quality from the tweeters are SO much better (the singers voices are so much clearer), the sound is crisper, the front speakers actually feel like subs compared to the stock ones. the overall loudness is higher and the quality is exponentially better. acoustics are pretty terrible as I ride topless and doorless but cruising around 25-30mph, the sound is just so incredibly better. I don't have a sub woofer. just the front 2 speakers, 2 tweeters, and 2 rear sound bar speakers. the sound system (to me) has been the biggest surprise as far as gratification and outcome of any mod I've done so far. and best part is, I still don't have my sound bar speakers upgraded but I ordered these from amazon tonight to install, got the last pair which is why they said unavailable ...(CAN'T WAIT NOW knowing how the others improved the quality so much).

Amazon.com: Hertz DCX165 6.5" 2-Way Coaxial Speakers (1 Pair) DCX-165: Car Electronics

and yea, by the time I got to home depot to get epoxy to finish off the tweeters, the sun had already set and I was exhausted. I'm uploading pics tomorrow of the tweeters once I get pictures...
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Awesome can't wait and thanks for the info. When you figure out how to change the ugly green dash lighting color let me know!
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Nice write up Just looking at Crutchfield's Master Install sheet for the Jk, looks like you navigated around almost to their exact instructions. Maybe 1 or 2 unnecessary steps. About to do the sound bar myself. Been thinking about the fire hazard rating of that poly fill suspect it is as flammable as cotton wool, or since its used in cushions and kids toys is it retarded somehow? Just been picturing some weird arc spark short with that stuff packed in the dash with electrical wires, even the sound bar got me thinking with the dome lite electrical running up there. Anyone know anything about this.? Concern or no concern??
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Nice write up Just looking at Crutchfield's Master Install sheet for the Jk, looks like you navigated around almost to their exact instructions. Maybe 1 or 2 unnecessary steps. About to do the sound bar myself. Been thinking about the fire hazard rating of that poly fill suspect it is as flammable as cotton wool, or since its used in cushions and kids toys is it retarded somehow? Just been picturing some weird arc spark short with that stuff packed in the dash with electrical wires, even the sound bar got me thinking with the dome lite electrical running up there. Anyone know anything about this.? Concern or no concern??

thanks. and yes, I took a few unnecessary steps along my way, but I was already removing lots of things so I thought what the heck, just check it out, never done this before. lol

I read on the actual thread about polyfil sound bar that there wasn't any fire hazard, you should be okay. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/can...gh-136035.html

and the sound bar install is cake, will literally be like plug and play lol. the fun part was the front 4 speakers.

I'll be adding more pics today to this DIY in an hour or so... good luck with your install.
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Nice write up Just looking at Crutchfield's Master Install sheet for the Jk, looks like you navigated around almost to their exact instructions. Maybe 1 or 2 unnecessary steps. About to do the sound bar myself. Been thinking about the fire hazard rating of that poly fill suspect it is as flammable as cotton wool, or since its used in cushions and kids toys is it retarded somehow? Just been picturing some weird arc spark short with that stuff packed in the dash with electrical wires, even the sound bar got me thinking with the dome lite electrical running up there. Anyone know anything about this.? Concern or no concern??
I agree, nice write up.

As far as fire hazards go, home speakers have been stuffed with polyfil for decades with no issues.

Most aftermarket automotive subs are polyfilled also.
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DIY (continued)

here are some pictures I forgot to add. saw them on my phone this morning and wanted to share more about the wiring. I had never spliced or matched wiring before...

here is the speaker box wire from the inside once I detached the stock speaker. just cut off the plug and then I spliced the ends and connected the crossover wiring to it which then led to the new hertz speaker.




then this is a shot of the tweeter wiring, again, I just cut off the existing plug that connected to the stock tweeter, spliced them, then attached the new wire from the cross over which connected to the new hertz tweeters.





hope this helps. all those different colored wiring had me delayed for a bit lol, there were green and purple and whites and yellows, BLAH!! don't ask me which mean which, all I know is the basic, red + and black - or is it the other way around
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I'm even more impressed that you've only been a member on the forum since March and have over 1,300 posts. Damn man walk a way from the computer and go outside!
J/K nice write-up.
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*Awaiting finished pics*
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I'm even more impressed that you've only been a member on the forum since March and have over 1,300 posts. Damn man walk a way from the computer and go outside!
J/K nice write-up.
lol, there's quite a bit of work done to my jeep if you haven't noticed! thanks though.

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finished pics aren't really as "fun" as the others...they'll be up soon
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right tweeter...left looks the same (I promise).



right lower speaker...left looks the same




those are the big FINALE FINAL PICTURES. (cricket)
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Nice write-up. It's plenty of enthousiasm as well!

What made you choose for these speakers and not, f.e., the kickers?
And are you going to add the sub? Cause I wonder if that is possible. If so, i would just order a 6-speaker wrangler and add an aftermarket sub later and wouldn't waist on the infinity system.
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Oh, btw, you do have a sh*tload of posts in such a short time. Especially compared to me....
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Nice write-up. It's plenty of enthousiasm as well!

What made you choose for these speakers and not, f.e., the kickers?
And are you going to add the sub? Cause I wonder if that is possible. If so, i would just order a 6-speaker wrangler and add an aftermarket sub later and wouldn't waist on the infinity system.
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Oh, btw, you do have a sh*tload of posts in such a short time. Especially compared to me....
the hertz just sounded the best to me for the price. kicker was a bit expensive and felt like it just had loud sound instead of quality sound, idk, to each their own. I'm not adding sub, don't like subs lol, had one in my GTI and my friend has one in his 128 coupe. SO annoying, can't believe I rode around with that thing.

and I like to be involved in the jeep community, it has been a fun hobby for me. my third favorite
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Nice write up. I have a set of JL's replacements for my fronts but have been putting it off because of having to remove the dash. This will help when I decide to do them so thanks.
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I just got done this install with Polk DBs. The front speakers are not hard at all. I had my driver side pod out in 15 mins after reading the posts on speaker removal. Passenger side is ridiculously easy. Longest part of install for me was dremmeling tombstones for new tweeters. I took my time with those because you only get one shot at it, lol, and the tweeters are the most visible part of your install. My soundbar speakers in my opinion were tougher. It took me some time to get everything lined up using the adaptor brackets. Nobody should fear doing this install. Its a very worthwhile project.

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Nice write up. I have a set of JL's replacements for my fronts but have been putting it off because of having to remove the dash. This will help when I decide to do them so thanks.
yea, but once you start pulling things out, it just because easier and easier and then fun. you'll be fine!

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I just got done this install with Polk DBs. The front speakers are not hard at all. I had my driver side pod out in 15 mins after reading the posts on speaker removal. Passenger side is ridiculously easy. Longest part of install for me was dremmeling tombstones for new tweeters. I took my time with those because you only get one shot at it, lol, and the tweeters are the most visible part of your install. My soundbar speakers in my opinion were tougher. It took me some time to get everything lined up using the adaptor brackets. Nobody should fear doing this install. Its a very worthwhile project.

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great to hear the install went nicely! sound bar speakers are suppose to be the simplest part by far lol about 10 minutes for each speaker, what exactly went wrong? just the drilling was tough or what? I'm installing my coax's there on tuesday or wednesday depending on when I get them in the mail.
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Great write up!....this is probably my next project, so thanks for the pics and taking the time to help others.....
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Not sure why they were tough.... I used adaptors but one hole didnt line up. I got em in and they sound good so its all good. I would post pics of my install but I dont know how to post from an ipad, or even if you can.
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Great write up!....this is probably my next project, so thanks for the pics and taking the time to help others.....
thanks and that's why I did it...I had no idea what I was doing, figured there will be others who were in my position wanting a DIY.

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Not sure why they were tough.... I used adaptors but one hole didnt line up. I got em in and they sound good so its all good. I would post pics of my install but I dont know how to post from an ipad, or even if you can.
oh, so the DRILLING part was the issue...gotcha...I thought you meant the wiring or something was difficult.

no worries about pics. I'll post some up of mine when I do the install.
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I would definitely use the wire splicers for my install to keep from cutting the stock wires.

Posi-Products™ Wire Connectors 6 tap connectors for 16- to 18-gauge wire — tap into wire without cutting or stripping at Crutchfield.com

This is an awesome write up though. The community thanks you!
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I just got done this install with Polk DBs. The front speakers are not hard at all. I had my driver side pod out in 15 mins after reading the posts on speaker removal. Passenger side is ridiculously easy. Longest part of install for me was dremmeling tombstones for new tweeters. I took my time with those because you only get one shot at it, lol, and the tweeters are the most visible part of your install. My soundbar speakers in my opinion were tougher. It took me some time to get everything lined up using the adaptor brackets. Nobody should fear doing this install. Its a very worthwhile project.

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For the soundbar, I put in Polk MM651s. They come with an adapter plate from Polk (you don't have to buy them from Crutchfield to get it) However, like you my third hole didn't line up.

On my adapter plate there was a plastic casting mark at the third hole point that lined up exactly where I needed to drill the adapter plate. When I had the stock speaker out, I just placed it against the ring and verified the mark.
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The Coax install...(part 2)

so I loved the results of my component and tweeter speakers I ordered the hertz coax's for the sound bar. dcx 165's.

the install was obviously much easier than the components/tweeters but took about 1 hour because I had to stop, put on the top and doors, it started to rain and we expect a huge t storm in about 24 hours lol.

anyway, easy splicing, bought some little wire connector things (forgot what they are called) at lowes and some extra speaker wiring so I could hook up the speakers at a distance and not hold them up. bought 8 ft, 4ft per side.

here are the pics...

just took the old speaker out (pos)



here are the wire "thingys" I referred to early, made install much easier and felt more "legit" lol



spliced and read for the male end wire thing...



here is how they work, the wiring you see is the 4ft of extra wire I'll connect to the hertz coax



zip tied it nice and neat, it's obviously tucked inside, just let it hang for picture purposes...



all bolted in...literally hand screwed them in...didn't even drill holes, was easy with those metal fasteners hertz supplies you with.



finished pictures...because last time I got flamed for not having them out sooner.... can hardly see the orange tweeters in the middle...





final results...don't really know, haven't heard them. about to run some errands and then I'll let y'all know. I expect them to sound nothing short of awesome. hope this helps, send me a pm with any questions or simply post on here and I'll try to help as best I can.
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was the icing on the cake. so much more sound hitting from the sound bar it's awesome. with the top up with stock speakers and with the top up with after market is indescribably different. it feels like I have my own recording studio now. best mod I feel like so far. UPGRADE your STOCK SH**!
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was the icing on the cake. so much more sound hitting from the sound bar it's awesome. with the top up with stock speakers and with the top up with after market is indescribably different. it feels like I have my own recording studio now. best mod I feel like so far. UPGRADE your STOCK SH**!
Looks great !

Do you have part numbers and purchase source for the sound bar speakers?
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this is a very good price for these. I got mine off amazon, the last pair for 109 + free shipping. but this link might basically add up close to that.

first link are the ones I bought, second is just a good price, IMO:

Amazon.com: Hertz DCX165 6.5" 2-Way Coaxial Speakers (1 Pair) DCX-165: Car Electronics
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Hell yea bro that shit is bad a**. Can't wait till I save up enough to up grade my stock shi!

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