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Old 05-09-2014, 09:52 AM   #1
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Do I really need a lift.

Newbie here, I was thinking of getting a teraflex 2.5 keeping the rubicon shocks and stock tires, and get the front bumper with a 8000 lb winch (probably rear bumper too).

So why would I need a lift

1) the bumper and winch weight will lower the stock height ?
2) It will be an advantage at the trails (not much since tire is the same)
3) Cos everyone gets one

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Old 05-09-2014, 10:08 AM   #2
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2.5 lift will be a lot for just the weight with no new tires. Also, I think Rubi shocks might be a bit short. You might consider a 1.5 inch spring lift for the weight or even just a leveling kit.

What's your intended use?

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Old 05-09-2014, 10:23 AM   #3
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1. maybe
2. yes
3.yes
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Are you asking us why you need a lift? Are you answering why you need a lift?

I don't understand...

BTW, not everyone gets a lift.
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I think you can get shock extensions, too.

You'd probably want to decide WHAT bumpers/carrier/winch you wanted to get and figure out how much weight you're adding. If you picked an aluminum bumper, lift isn't needed as much. But if you go all steel and beefy, you might need more than spacers.

Mike and I have the same lift/shocks, front bumper and ACE rails. He has a Superwinch 10,000 and an ACE rear bumper/carrier combo. Even though he's running bigger wheels/tires (17/35 vs 15/33) his jeep is actually lower than mine now, because of that big bumper/carrier. Before he installed that, his jeep was still taller than mine.
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Old 05-09-2014, 10:31 AM   #6
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Need is a very subjective concept. Do you NEED a lift? Probably not. Then again, people buy with emotion, and justify the purchase with facts.
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Intended use is off-roading in Texas, mud, sand and hill country with city and highway driving, for going to places that have off-roading, this is not a DD.

I am asking your opinions, since I am not quiet sure after reading all the info on the forum and other forums, everything has a justification and a contradiction, so I personalized my post to get specific advice here.
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What part of Texas are you in, Manu?

Your best bet would be to take your jeep out to an ORV park and see for yourself what YOUR jeep and YOUR driving abilities are capable of.

Not casting aspersions on your driving abilities, but there's a huge difference in what someone who has tons of experience can do with a stock rig, versus someone who doesn't. You'll want to outfit your jeep so it's comfortable for YOU to drive.
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Intended use is off-roading in Texas, mud, sand and hill country with city and highway driving, for going to places that have off-roading, this is not a DD.

I am asking your opinions, since I am not quiet sure after reading all the info on the forum and other forums, everything has a justification and a contradiction, so I personalized my post to get specific advice here.
If you want to off road it, then what you REALLY want is bigger tires = greater ground clearance. Without a lift, you can fit 33" skinnys, giving you about 1/2" of additional ground clearance. Two models that come in 255/80r17 are the BFG KM2s (event on road and great for mud and rock) or the Cooper Discover Maxxx (great on road and good on mud and rock). One issue you might run into is fender rub when flexing. This can be corrected with either flat fenders or a very mild lift such as a 1" spacer. The spacer will not affect your stock ride. For increased performance (especially with extra weight), a 1.5" spring lift and new shocks or stock extensions would be ideal.

For wider 33s, you will need new wheels or spacers to prevent rub at full turn.

For taller tires (34-35 inch) which will give you 1-2 inches of additional ground clearance, you will still need the new wheels or spacers and either flat fenders and a mild lift as mentioned above, or a 2.5 inch lift which will include springs and shocks. Add 2 front and rear control arms for better handling/strength on and off road.

cost of adding new tires = $750-2000
Mild lift = $100-2000
Spacers/Wheels = $200-2000
Major lift = $500-4000

Or you can wheel it stock and probably do everything you ever wanted.
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Here is my take, as a complete newb to both Jeeps and wheeling:

I am going to keep mine stock (with maybe the exception of a leveling kit) as I learn how to drive off road. When and if the time comes that my abilities overreach the capabilities of the vehicle as-is, then I will start looking into lift, tires, ect.

I find most "needs" are really "wants". I know I have a lot of these types of "needs" . But, your mileage may vary.
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What part of Texas are you in, Manu? Your best bet would be to take your jeep out to an ORV park and see for yourself what YOUR jeep and YOUR driving abilities are capable of. Not casting aspersions on your driving abilities, but there's a huge difference in what someone who has tons of experience can do with a stock rig, versus someone who doesn't. You'll want to outfit your jeep so it's comfortable for YOU to drive.
Thanks great advice, I am in Houston.
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I plan on driving mine in the dirt and letting the vehicle itself tell me if it needs more clearance. Don't figure it'll take long to find out.

The jeep appears to me to be a pretty capable vehicle as it comes from the factory. Just depends on the type of off roading you want to do, and how far you want to push the envelope.
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Add 2 front and rear control arms for better handling/strength on and off road. cost of adding new tires = $750-2000 Mild lift = $100-2000 Spacers/Wheels = $200-2000 Major lift = $500-4000 Or you can wheel it stock and probably do everything you ever wanted.
I read in the forum that with the teraflex 2.5 you can get away with front and rear control arms.

I would get bigger tires if I sell mine on Craigslist. I was thinking of duratrac 285/75/17 or BFG 285 or 295,
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Thanks great advice, I am in Houston.
Don't know anything about Houston, sorry.

There's Barnwell mountain ORV park in Gilmer, Texas, hidden falls ORV park here in Marble Falls and there's Canyons ORV park just outside Fredericksburg. Google them and see if you might like to take a trip there and try your rig out.
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Old 05-09-2014, 11:00 PM   #15
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You don't need a lift. Do you want a lift? If so check out metal cloak and AEV.
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Intended use is off-roading in Texas, mud, sand and hill country with city and highway driving, for going to places that have off-roading, this is not a DD.

I am asking your opinions, since I am not quiet sure after reading all the info on the forum and other forums, everything has a justification and a contradiction, so I personalized my post to get specific advice here.
We live in Texas and do exactly with ours that you do with yours (based on your posts). and yes you need a lift for performance not for looks and not because everybody else has one. Breakover angle and other reasons such as granite rocks near Fredericksburg, stream crossings, and on and on. You will want to eventually get taller tires as well, we get by with 33s would like 35s.

Take your Jeep to Superlift ORP in Hot Springs arkansas, do the vast amount of trails for a long weekend starting with level 1s and progress to level 3s. By the end of your "session" you will know exactly what you want and need. Besides it's an absolute blast. We were by ourselves by the way, my wife and I. Its also her daily driver. Be careful and crawl your way to serious fun.
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I went for a lift for a couple of reasons. I did not like the loss of a inch or so when I install my Rampage Recovery Bumper. The TeraFlex Leveling kit raised my front end to what I thought was visual pleasing. Yes, I'll admit the look was my number one reason. Secondly, I plan on putting 33's on my 18" wheels. Third was for a perceived advantage on off road. Not sure how much more advantage the 2" in front and 1" in the rear will give me yet but soon to find out as I use my jeep for back hills hunting trips and a a little off-roading in Fredericksburg and Marble Falls.

As most folks here on the forum will tell you, the stock Jeep can handle incredible challenges on the trails. Skill in driving is the difference maker most of the time, not a lift. I had a 2 door modified Wrangler years past with the lift and tires and my 2014 Sahara can do just as much as what my previous Wrangler could do based on my skill level ( low-moderate) for off road.
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Don't know anything about Houston, sorry. There's Barnwell mountain ORV park in Gilmer, Texas, hidden falls ORV park here in Marble Falls and there's Canyons ORV park just outside Fredericksburg. Google them and see if you might like to take a trip there and try your rig out.
Thanks, I will check them out , I would like to start where I left long time ago, in the rocks/mountain, no experience with mud or sand. Since you already know these, which of these is good for not too difficult rock/mountain trails.
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We live in Texas and do exactly with ours that you do with yours (based on your posts). and yes you need a lift for performance not for looks and not because everybody else has one. Breakover angle and other reasons such as granite rocks near Fredericksburg, stream crossings, and on and on. You will want to eventually get taller tires as well, we get by with 33s would like 35s. Take your Jeep to Superlift ORP in Hot Springs arkansas, do the vast amount of trails for a long weekend starting with level 1s and progress to level 3s. By the end of your "session" you will know exactly what you want and need. Besides it's an absolute blast. We were by ourselves by the way, my wife and I. Its also her daily driver. Be careful and crawl your way to serious fun.
Thanks, will look that up, I want to start with low difficulty and then move upwards, so now looking for a bumper and winch to go along.......does this list ever end
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There's only 1 reason to lift a Jeep. So you can fit bigger tires under. The bigger tires are what give you clearance, approach angle and obstacle angle. The lift is just a necessity to fit the tires. In fact, if you can fit the tires under keep your CG as low as possible.

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