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Old 06-15-2012, 05:51 PM   #31
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Is your car, your property or not? This is the problem we have now with our freedom being stolen little by little. Either there is private property in this Country or there is not. Don't get me started on property taxes...
Yeah, it's my private property and I can do anything I want with it........ in my backyard. When I take it on to city, state, and public property (the roads), they get to tell me what kinds of mandatory equipment I need to have on it. And the list is long. Like I said, If I had my way it wouldn't be there, but it is, so I intend to make it work in my favor. Tampering with it will get you nothing but problems.

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Is your car, your property or not? This is the problem we have now with our freedom being stolen little by little. Either there is private property in this Country or there is not. Don't get me started on property taxes...
Correction: our freedom was stolen little by little.

Used to be, if it was illegal, ya' couldn't do it. Now, if you don't have the government's permission, ya' can't do it.

You will allow 'us' to record your vehicle's data, or you can't drive it.

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Yeah, it's my private property and I can do anything I want with it........ in my backyard. When I take it on to city, state, and public property (the roads), they get to tell me what kinds of mandatory equipment I need to have on it. And the list is long. Like I said, If I had my way it wouldn't be there, but it is, so I intend to make it work in my favor. Tampering with it will get you nothing but problems.

Edit: Jakesdad has a good point. This "black box" ain't the hill I'm willing to die on! But, a government agent comes on my property without my permission, and without a legal warrant, to try to read my "black box", he's going to leave, or die on this hill!

Yea, there are some rednecks in California.....

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Old 06-15-2012, 08:05 PM   #33
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The EDR is located within the center airbag sensor/computer assembly under the center console. You can take the box out but then you have no airbag system since it's the brain of the airbag system. If you don't care about that, you have a way to disable it.
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:22 PM   #34
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The EDR is located within the center airbag sensor/computer assembly under the center console. You can take the box out but then you have no airbag system since it's the brain of the airbag system. If you don't care about that, you have a way to disable it.
Lol....top down, doors off, no seatbelt. Nope don't need an airbag....
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:31 AM   #35
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I personally don't care about EDR but I like to be in control of things I use. Thought that I can neuter it at will would make me proud. Otherwise, if there is a need, accident reconstructionist will do their job without EDR. EDR is a part of global surveylance we are all subjected to anyways. They started putting computer chips in Beretta shotguns, so I will stay away from them too.
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They started putting computer chips in Beretta shotguns, so I will stay away from them too.
Please show me where this information came from. PM please as this is off topic.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:25 PM   #37
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I'm not crazy about having an EDR in my vehicle but there is no way I'm going to tamper with it. There is about a 90% chance that anything recorded is going to be in my favor because I don't do stupid stuff behind the wheel, so why would I want to throw that out and instead make myself look guilty by having an intentionally disabled EDR there for the investigator to find?

Why would you look guilty by disabling it? It's yours. That's like the police when they say that denying them a warrantless search is, in and of itself, probably cause. It's simply not true.

There is no good reason to have that there, and in the police state we live in, it'll only be a matter of time before they are used to convict us, and deny us insurance claims.

You NEVER, EVER willingly give data to the authorities. Even if you aren't paranoid there isn't a good reason to cooperate with the authorities. This is a good watch:



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Why would you look guilty by disabling it? It's yours. That's like the police when they say that denying them a warrantless search is, in and of itself, probably cause. It's simply not true.

There is no good reason to have that there, and in the police state we live in, it'll only be a matter of time before they are used to convict us, and deny us insurance claims.

You NEVER, EVER willingly give data to the authorities. Even if you aren't paranoid there isn't a good reason to cooperate with the authorities. This is a good watch:



You are preaching to the choir here because I'm mostly with you on the issue of privacy rights. I'm not "willingly" giving data to anybody. I didn't put the EDR there, and nobody is going to ask me if they can retrieve post-accident information at an accident scene. At this point I must "willingly" PREVENT that information from being retrieved. If I am in a injury or fatality accident the other party's attorney is going find out I disabled it, present that fact to the jury, and be all over that in his attempt to vilify me or make up his own version of what happened. Meanwhile, your attorney will not have this information to prove you were not at fault. You do what you want, but I'm telling you this is what it is and you can either make it work for you or against you.
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You are preaching to the choir here because I'm mostly with you on the issue of privacy rights. I'm not "willingly" giving data to anybody. I didn't put the EDR there, and nobody is going to ask me if they can retrieve post-accident information at an accident scene. At this point I must "willingly" PREVENT that information from being retrieved. If I am in a injury or fatality accident the other party's attorney is going find out I disabled it, present that fact to the jury, and be all over that in his attempt to vilify me or make up his own version of what happened. Meanwhile, your attorney will not have this information to prove you were not at fault. You do what you want, but I'm telling you this is what it is and you can either make it work for you or against you.

I get you, but I'd rather protect myself on my own terms. Specifically made cameras that hold days of high def video and audio Mount to the rear view mirror), and some of them, if you want to spend some extra bucks, will upload the video and audio every 5, 10, whatever seconds you'd like.

That way I'M in control of my data, and I don't have to worry about it one bit.

And I know this is probably seen as hard headed, but I'll stand up for myself, I'm not going to let some scum lawyer try to vilify me for doing what I want to my property. It's a damn shame that that's what it has come to these days in this country.
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In the spirit of the 4th of July and the freedoms represented in our day of celebration I want to at least temorarily ressurect this post so that we can bow our heads in rememberance of the privacy we once held....
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