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Old 01-26-2012, 01:13 PM   #301
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hi , i use a high pressure car wash no touch only water and air dry no touch! i get a few drops in the back, no big deal it's a jeep thing! just have
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I took mine into the dealer on Tuesday and they told me that the freedom Tops were simply too loose. I had only owned it for a few days and had not tried to take off the tops. They said that they had found several others that had come from the factory with the thumb screws too loose. I had not heard about them being a problem if tightened too much! They did a water test on the top after they looked at it and it did not leak.

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Old 01-26-2012, 06:08 PM   #303
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2012 hard top, 1200 miles and no leaks, even when going through automated car washes.
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:25 PM   #304
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3000 km 2012 hard top. first time in the automatic car wash, no leaks. then i decided to remove the freedome panels. i put them back on went for a automatic carwash. TWO DROPS. with the pressure of water that can split a human in half, a couple of drops didn't bother me. a few days back i was playing with the two nobs in the middle and noticed i didn't tighten them properly when i put back the freedom panels! turned each one a good 15 rotations before it stopped turning and was tightened really. either way, i cant imagine rain doing more damage than a highly pressurized waterjet half a meter away just letting in two pathatic drops.

the 2012 hard tops are impressive! everytime i go and service my car i will do a automatic car wash a day before and then tell the service guys to try and do a better job at re-installing the freedom panels properly if i was a little off.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:01 PM   #305
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I mean't to post this here and did so elsewhere by mistake, but....

MERCY! Are the older JK's leaking this much as well, or is it that they have all been corrected by now?
I haven't heard as much about the pre 11's and have no way of knowing if ours ever leaked. I've always subscribed to this idea of the new owner doing most of the visiting to the Dealership, as we have almost always bought used. On the other hand, it hasn't been raining much either, so time will tell and probably after the warranty runs out.
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I have been on this forum for quite some time. I see this issue go through cycles. Sometimes see a lot of posts about leaks and then all is quiet, then another burst of complaints about leaks. The advice about cleaning and lubricating the seals is really good advice. If you use a silicone based lube on the seals (not silicone sealant.....mercy!) you will solve most leaks. When the two seal surfaces come together if they are clean and lubricated it will provide a good barrier to water. My first 08 leaked and Chrysler bought it back. My current 08 leaked in the exact same place the first two rain storms and now has been leak free ever since. There is hope. If it leaks now I'm on my own. The good news is that keeping them clean and lubricated has kept them leak free.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:03 PM   #306
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nope no leaks --but only had a couple months----but lots of wind rain snow and car washes
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:22 PM   #307
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2300 miles and no leaks, felling lucky. Took of freedom panels once to install some grab handles, and going through the car wash today sure as s!!T my top leaks. Doesn't seem like a huge deal, seen worse. I thought
I saw someone on here say they put silicone or something on the seals. Anybody got any ideas?
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #308
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Not leaks yet at 1000 miles.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:53 PM   #309
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Not leaks yet at 1000 miles.
They usually don't leak until 1100.
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They usually don't leak until 1100.


Damn looks like I'm screwed.
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2300 miles and no leaks, felling lucky. Took of freedom panels once to install some grab handles, and going through the car wash today sure as s!!T my top leaks. Doesn't seem like a huge deal, seen worse. I thought
I saw someone on here say they put silicone or something on the seals. Anybody got any ideas?
Take them back off, make sure they're clean, put some 303 on them, and put them back on checking alignment carefully.
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I happen to have some 303. I will give that a try. Thanks.
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Take them back off, make sure they're clean, put some 303 on them, and put them back on checking alignment carefully.
X2 on realigning carefully. That's what fixed my issue, I had to be very careful with how a installed them. Now I have no leaks.... So far
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One week old Jeep soft top and it's been raining everyday, no leaks so far.
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Take them back off, make sure they're clean, put some 303 on them, and put them back on checking alignment carefully.
X2 on realigning carefully. That's what fixed my issue, I had to be very careful with how a installed them. Now I have no leaks.... So far
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:37 PM   #316
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I bought a 2012 off the lot that had water inside it already from the rain. I reset the freedom tops and it hasn't leaked since. Saying thay, im not overly concerned if it does. It's a jeep. If I was concerned about a little water I would not have paid the 30k for my new "tonka toy." If I wanted a l luxery car to drive to the mall that is what I would have gotten. Point is Jeeps are designed for a class of driver who will do far worse damage to a vehicle then a little rain water. I'm not setting out to trash it but I don't want a vehicle I have to baby either.
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I was just in the dealer this week getting a new hard top as mine was cracked from the factory, so I was talking to one of the salesmen who I knew owned a JKU. I asked about leaks and he acknowledged that he had talked to a few owners that had problems. He gave me the following advice.

When taking the front freedom panels off always start at the rear. Thumb screws first, rear latches then move forward unlocking the front windshield latches last.

When putting the tops on, carefully align the panels making sure none of the weather seals are folded over. Then again start from the rear, tightening the thumb screws until the rear of the panels are flush with the rear top. Then move forward with the latches again finishing with the two windshield latches.

The interesting thing is that as I watched the service guy put my top on he did NOT follow this advice and instead did it backwards. I could easily see that the panel was not sitting flush. I tried cranking down the thumb screws to pull the panel flush, but it never sat right. So I pulled the panel all the way off and followed the above steps. It worked perfectly.

He also suggested Mequire's Tire Shine for the bumpers. He said to coat the bumpers nice and thick, let it sit for several minutes and wipe off the excess. His JKU is a 2008 and his bumpers look brand new and sit out in the sun and weather 24/7.
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.... He gave me the following advice.

Then again start from the rear, tightening the thumb screws until the rear of the panels are flush with the rear top. Then move forward with the latches again finishing with the two windshield latches.

The interesting thing is that as I watched the service guy put my top on he did NOT follow this advice and instead did it backwards.
That's because the advice is not correct. Replacing freedom tops is done in the exact opposite order as taking off: Start with front latch, then "L" locks, front to back, then thumb screws last, just good and hand tight, don't over do it! Check out your Owner's Manual...
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2012 JK built and delivered to me in September 2011. Ever since I got it, I've had a small leak where the Freedom panels come together in the front, right about the shifter. The dealer has attempted to fix it three times, and the Jeep is actually there today for the fourth time! First and second time they replaced seals, which didn't work. On the second attempt, it actually created a NEW leak in the back. After fixing the rear leak on my third visit, the front leak was back (worse than it was originally). Today, on the fourth attempt they are replacing the Freedom panels themselves. I hope this fixes everything once and for all.

I must say that the dealer has been good to work with (despite the repeated visits), but the case manager from from Chrysler has been worthless! In my opinion, the design isn't the best and the dealers are stuck with the repair procedures dictated by Detroit. I'll repost with the outcome of today's work (fingers crossed).
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That's because the advice is not correct. Replacing freedom tops is done in the exact opposite order as taking off: Start with front latch, then "L" locks, front to back, then thumb screws last, just good and hand tight, don't over do it! Check out your Owner's Manual...
I know that is what the owners manual states but it sure seated better going back to front. If you watch the panel as you are installing it, you can watch the rear of the panel lift off the rubber seal as you latch the front. Sure it gets pulled back down as you latch the rest and tighten the screws, but if you do the screws first you can insure that seal is tight. This looks to be the most vulnerable area to me, so anything to make sure that seal is tight sounds like good advice.

Well to each their own, so for those having issues maybe try this.
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That's a very common type of leak, and the same one I am dealing with. Before you let the dealer tear into it, try removing your freedom panels, cleaning all the weatherstrip with 303 Aerospace Protectant or Simple Green, or...??. Reinstall the panels very carefully, following the Owner's Manual. When you screw down the rear knobs, do it just hand tight, don't crank them down. Over tightening the thumb screws has proved to be a common cause of that particular leak.

I'm still playing with it, but my center seam top leak is MUCH reduced just by doing the above. I'm afraid the dealer will just make it worse!

Thank you for the heads up and the advice. I will track down some 303 Aerospace Protectant and give it a go!
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Thank you for the heads up and the advice. I will track down some 303 Aerospace Protectant and give it a go!
Try schirmyver's idea too, I haven't tried it yet (raining here) but I plan to. It might make a difference....

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I was just in the dealer this week getting a new hard top as mine was cracked from the factory, so I was talking to one of the salesmen who I knew owned a JKU. I asked about leaks and he acknowledged that he had talked to a few owners that had problems. He gave me the following advice.

When taking the front freedom panels off always start at the rear. Thumb screws first, rear latches then move forward unlocking the front windshield latches last.

When putting the tops on, carefully align the panels making sure none of the weather seals are folded over. Then again start from the rear, tightening the thumb screws until the rear of the panels are flush with the rear top. Then move forward with the latches again finishing with the two windshield latches.

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I know that is [not] what the owners manual states but it sure seated better going back to front. If you watch the panel as you are installing it, you can watch the rear of the panel lift off the rubber seal as you latch the front. Sure it gets pulled back down as you latch the rest and tighten the screws, but if you do the screws first you can insure that seal is tight. This looks to be the most vulnerable area to me, so anything to make sure that seal is tight sounds like good advice.

Well to each their own, so for those having issues maybe try this.
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Try schirmyver's idea too, I haven't tried it yet (raining here) but I plan to. It might make a difference....
I had a few drops when I first got my jeep.

Every wash I wipe the seals with 303. keeping them soft and in good shape does help a bunch.

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Old 02-12-2012, 09:28 PM   #324
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mine hasn't leaked and its a 2012 and i have had it for at least 4 or 5 months if not more
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Have had my 2012 2 door for 2 weeks. My driver side floor is wet. We did get light rain, and this happened while parked in the drive way. I see no obvious signs of leakage anywhere...off to the service department tomorrow...
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I discovered this product, einszett 914806 'Gummi Pflege Stift' Rubber Care.
Works very well on the door seals.

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I got a letter tonight from a lawyer. It said my 2011 might have leak issues and if so i could be entitled to a new jeep. Anyone else get this?
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2012 JK built and delivered to me in September 2011. Ever since I got it, I've had a small leak where the Freedom panels come together in the front, right about the shifter. The dealer has attempted to fix it three times, and the Jeep is actually there today for the fourth time! First and second time they replaced seals, which didn't work. On the second attempt, it actually created a NEW leak in the back. After fixing the rear leak on my third visit, the front leak was back (worse than it was originally). Today, on the fourth attempt they are replacing the Freedom panels themselves. I hope this fixes everything once and for all.

I must say that the dealer has been good to work with (despite the repeated visits), but the case manager from from Chrysler has been worthless! In my opinion, the design isn't the best and the dealers are stuck with the repair procedures dictated by Detroit. I'll repost with the outcome of today's work (fingers crossed).
Follow up regarding my leak: after the Freedom panels were replaced, I have not had any further problems. In addition to the water testing done at the dealer, the Jeep has been in the rain and I've even run it through a car wash. Although it took quite a few appointments I'm glad the dealer were motivated enough to make it right!
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I took mine into the dealer on Tuesday and they told me that the freedom Tops were simply too loose. I had only owned it for a few days and had not tried to take off the tops. They said that they had found several others that had come from the factory with the thumb screws too loose. I had not heard about them being a problem if tightened too much! They did a water test on the top after they looked at it and it did not leak.

Anyone have any ideas on the proper care for the black ABS fenders? They seem pretty tough, but I want to keep them clean when I am not our on a trail. I thought about Armorall, but that always seems to leave a film on tires that attracts dust. That same ABS plastic is used on the front and rear bumper covers. It looks good black, but I have seen a lot of older Jeeps where it has faded to gray. It probably has something to do with the sun exposure as well.

I saw something for sale in the Quadretec Catalog. They have three products, a soft top cleaner and protector and this can be used for the fenders and bumpers I think, Also they have a vinyl window cleaner.

I am interested in finding out what everyone else is using on their jeeps....

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