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Old 06-22-2012, 10:49 PM   #61
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That's why I love texas...I got my jeep inspected with no doors haha I have brackets to relocate my mirrors but I rarely use them and I pull fuse 4 bottom right

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Old 06-22-2012, 10:53 PM   #62
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I plan on taking my doors off too, I'm not worried about the mirrors but my overhead light being left on all the time how is this solved?
Just send your dimmer dial all the way to you and the lights wont come on. The radio will continue to play for several minutes if you dont turn it off when you exit.

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Damn Liberal Yankee governments. We don't have that issue in the south...

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You only need to comply with the laws of the state your rig is plated in. If you have NY plates, you only need to comply with NY laws, if NJ plates, NJ laws. Police in other states have no authority to issue compliance tickets.
UNTRUE. VERY UNTRUE. I can assure that police are well within their rights to issue those tickets and others as well. Try and cruise through VA with a radar detector and have other plates on. They WILL issue you ticket and its legal too. In Georgia where I am currently, the window tint limit is no lower than 32% on any window. According to GA state law, and my buddy being a cop, he will give anyone a ticket for too dark of tint regardless of what state you are from. And that my friends is also legal. So are gun laws. Whatever law is on the books for said state, is effective to anyone in that state. However, a judge may let you off, but legally you are liable for the infraction no matter where the plate originated from.
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SJS, If I managed to make it through Cali(including driving on Camp Pen) for years with my YJ with no doors, mirrors, top, backseat, left headlight, or reverse lights and my license plates held on with twine and zip ties im sure youll be fine brother. If your that worried maybe you should get a nice mini van, they almost never stop those guys. Haha.
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Damn Liberal Yankee governments. We don't have that issue in the south...



UNTRUE. VERY UNTRUE. I can assure that police are well within their rights to issue those tickets and others as well. Try and cruise through VA with a radar detector and have other plates on. They WILL issue you ticket and its legal too. In Georgia where I am currently, the window tint limit is no lower than 32% on any window. According to GA state law, and my buddy being a cop, he will give anyone a ticket for too dark of tint regardless of what state you are from. And that my friends is also legal. So are gun laws. Whatever law is on the books for said state, is effective to anyone in that state. However, a judge may let you off, but legally you are liable for the infraction no matter where the plate originated from.
Ease up with the capslock bud. Your post is wrong. Lets tackle your misinformation one by one.

1) Radar laws are NOT compliance laws, so irrelevant.
2) Issuing tickets...many cops WILL issue tickets to motorists (regardless of plates) because 95% of motorists have NO CLUE about the law, and they end up paying the ticket. That does NOT mean the ticket was legit. I have fought dozens of compliance tickets in my day, and know the law inside out.

Your information is incorrect.

If you are going to make a post like that, then give me the statutes.

Again, to everyone... COMPLIANCE LAWS CAN ONLY LEGALLY BE ENFORCED IN THE STATE OF THE CAR'S REGISTRATION. YOU MIGHT GET A TICKET ELSEWHERE, BUT IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DISMISSED, REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE GUILTY OR NOT.

The REASON why they cant do it, is simple....

1) The vehicle complies with the state law it is from.

2) This law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement

Period.
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Ease up with the capslock bud. Your post is wrong. Lets tackle your misinformation one by one.

1) Radar laws are NOT compliance laws, so irrelevant.
2) Issuing tickets...many cops WILL issue tickets to motorists (regardless of plates) because 95% of motorists have NO CLUE about the law, and they end up paying the ticket. That does NOT mean the ticket was legit. I have fought dozens of compliance tickets in my day, and know the law inside out.

Your information is incorrect.

If you are going to make a post like that, then give me the statutes.

Again, to everyone... COMPLIANCE LAWS CAN ONLY LEGALLY BE ENFORCED IN THE STATE OF THE CAR'S REGISTRATION. YOU MIGHT GET A TICKET ELSEWHERE, BUT IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DISMISSED, REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE GUILTY OR NOT.

The REASON why they cant do it, is simple....

1) The vehicle complies with the state law it is from.

2) This law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement

Period.
^Right. It's actually a constitutional issue.

Radar detectors, helmets, etc aren't compliance laws. They're just safety and public welfare regs, and can be complied with by just taking down your radar detector or putting on a helmet.

By contrast, state specific compliance laws--like window tinting, mud flaps, mirrors, etc--can't be enforced against vehicles registered in other states. Reason being that states could effectively use onerous or bizarre compliance laws as "fund raisers"--eg, "Oh, you don't have Kevlar mud flaps? That's a $500 ticket to the state treasury, thanks." It would preclude travel between the states, which they lack authority to do.
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Ease up with the capslock bud. Your post is wrong. Lets tackle your misinformation one by one.

1) Radar laws are NOT compliance laws, so irrelevant.
2) Issuing tickets...many cops WILL issue tickets to motorists (regardless of plates) because 95% of motorists have NO CLUE about the law, and they end up paying the ticket. That does NOT mean the ticket was legit. I have fought dozens of compliance tickets in my day, and know the law inside out.

Your information is incorrect.

If you are going to make a post like that, then give me the statutes.

Again, to everyone... COMPLIANCE LAWS CAN ONLY LEGALLY BE ENFORCED IN THE STATE OF THE CAR'S REGISTRATION. YOU MIGHT GET A TICKET ELSEWHERE, BUT IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE DISMISSED, REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE GUILTY OR NOT.

The REASON why they cant do it, is simple....

1) The vehicle complies with the state law it is from.

2) This law. Freedom of movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Period.
First off, I didn't mean to offend anyone, just point out the law. That being said, wikipedia is the least reliable source on the planet since anyone can edit it. Now you wanted statue information on GA tint for out of state drivers? Here you go:

In 2005, Georgia lawmakers passed a law restricting the use of window tint on vehicles. The Georgia Department of PublicSafety says it is "illegal for window tinting material to be applied to the rear, side and door windows of motor vehicles that does not allow for more than 32 percent of light transmission (plus or minus three percent)."

It is a misdemeanor to violate Georgia's law for tinted windows in a vehicle. According to the Georgia Department of Public Safety, you face a fine of up to $1,000 and up to 12 months imprisonment (as of 2010) if you drive "a vehicle with illegal window tint" or install it on a vehicle.


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  • The tinted window law was changed in 2005 to include vehicles registered in other states. "House Bill 20 corrected the language so the law applies to all vehicles, whether registered in Georgia or another state," according to Colonel Bill Hitchens, commander of the Georgia State Patrol.


I'm not saying this is right but it is the law, just like the radar example. I also quoted this straight from fellow law enforcement officers here. I am military and got a ticket on a car registered in FL with darker tint (20%). I challenged it and the judge didn't care where my car was registered. I asked him how that could be a lawful statute when someone who passes through the state with legal darker tint cannot just take it off. He said "well, that's the law and I just enforce it." BS
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First off, I didn't mean to offend anyone, just point out the law. That being said, wikipedia is the least reliable source on the planet since anyone can edit it. Now you wanted statue information on GA tint for out of state drivers? Here you go:

In 2005, Georgia lawmakers passed a law restricting the use of window tint on vehicles. The Georgia Department of Public Safety says it is "illegal for window tinting material to be applied to the rear, side and door windows of motor vehicles that does not allow for more than 32 percent of light transmission (plus or minus three percent)."

It is a misdemeanor to violate Georgia's law for tinted windows in a vehicle. According to the Georgia Department of Public Safety, you face a fine of up to $1,000 and up to 12 months imprisonment (as of 2010) if you drive "a vehicle with illegal window tint" or install it on a vehicle.

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[*]The tinted window law was changed in 2005 to include vehicles registered in other states. "House Bill 20 corrected the language so the law applies to all vehicles, whether registered in Georgia or another state," according to Colonel Bill Hitchens, commander of the Georgia State Patrol.



I'm not saying this is right but it is the law, just like the radar example. I also quoted this straight from fellow law enforcement officers here. I am military and got a ticket on a car registered in FL with darker tint (20%). I challenged it and the judge didn't care where my car was registered. I asked him how that could be a lawful statute when someone who passes through the state with legal darker tint cannot just take it off. He said "well, that's the law and I just enforce it." BS
Fair enough. Thank you for posting the law. However, like many laws, this law violates federal law, and if a cop gave me that ticket I'd laugh in his face. The only reason this law is still around is because no one challenged it. These tickets would NEVER stick. This law essentially violates the freedom of movement act witch superceeds state law. If you or your friends get this ticket, fight it. Having this law is against the law. This law basically bans a Florida vehicle from driving through Georgia. NY tried the same crap with people who DROVE through NY state with legal guns and lost in court. You can now drive through NY state with a legal gun is the gun is legal at your origin and destination.
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Fair enough. Thank you for posting the law. However, like many laws, this law violates federal law, and if a cop gave me that ticket I'd laugh in his face. The only reason this law is still around is because no one challenged it. These tickets would NEVER stick. This law essentially violates the freedom of movement act witch superceeds state law. If you or your friends get this ticket, fight it. Having this law is against the law. NY tried the same crap with people who DROVE through NY state with legal guns and lost in court. You can now drive through NY state with a legal gun is the gun is legal at your origin and destination.
There also may be something in the federal regs that pushes window tinting to the states. But yes, usually the type of laws that would require you to mod your vehicle can't be imposed on vehicles from another state.
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Fair enough. Thank you for posting the law. However, like many laws, this law violates federal law, and if a cop gave me that ticket I'd laugh in his face. The only reason this law is still around is because no one challenged it. These tickets would NEVER stick. This law essentially violates the freedom of movement act witch superceeds state law. If you or your friends get this ticket, fight it. Having this law is against the law. This law basically bans a Florida vehicle from driving through Georgia. NY tried the same crap with people who DROVE through NY state with legal guns and lost in court. You can now drive through NY state with a legal gun is the gun is legal at your origin and destination.
That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
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That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
This post is not entirely correct, but has merit. The law I am talking about is NOT the reciprocity law. The reciprocity law is NOT. A federal law. It is an agreement between states. My law IS. A federal law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A

This law superceedes NY law of "no guns."

Now, much like the voter ID laws being federally challenged, states can indeed make their OWN laws, provided they do not conflict with ANY federal laws, in this case, the freedom of movement act. The Georgia law completely conflicts with this law and thus, would be tossed out of court if the defendant knew this information.

BTW, thanks to your post, I forwarded this info to an acquaintance of mine that has a practice doing nothing but going after states for these types of laws. Maybe he can get it squashed who knows. If you EVER get a compliance ticket from an out of state cop, the freedom of movement act protects you.
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This post is not entirely correct, but has merit. The law I am talking about is NOT the reciprocity law. The reciprocity law is NOT. A federal law. It is an agreement between states. My law IS. A federal law.

18 USC § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms | LII / Legal Information Institute

This law superceedes NY law of "no guns."

Now, much like the voter ID laws being federally challenged, states can indeed make their OWN laws, provided they do not conflict with ANY federal laws, in this case, the freedom of movement act. The Georgia law completely conflicts with this law and thus, would be tossed out of court if the defendant knew this information.

BTW, thanks to your post, I forwarded this info to an acquaintance of mine that has a practice doing nothing but going after states for these types of laws. Maybe he can get it squashed who knows. If you EVER get a compliance ticket from an out of state cop, the freedom of movement act protects you.
Nice. I always hated the fact that we military people are moved around alot and have to abide by laws such as those. Rediculous.
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That gun ordinance or law as it were, is called reciprocity. This is where states recognize other states gun carrying owners permits for concealed or whatever. Now, as far as Federal statutes go, the Federal governments don't have a say in the laws the states create as long as it is in line with the Constitution and its amendments. Tinting, radars, and other laws cannot be enforced, created, or stricken by any Federal court but can on the state level. States are sovereign and have control over what laws are created. The laws are on the books, absurd as they are, because people did not have the interest in challenging them, much less vote. They elected these assclowns who made them so at the end of the day, laws are the result of action or inaction by the people, of the people, and for the people.
The point is though that there ARE Federal constitutional concerns when states regulate in such a way as to restrict travel among the states or to penalize folks for being from another state.

It would for example very likely be unconstitutional for Georgia to declare that no vehicle on its roadways can have window tint, or require everyone to carry four spare tires, or to have 30 rearview mirrors, or have mud flaps that are within 1" of the ground, or have LED taillights, or be blue, etc. These are fundamentally different from radar detectors and helmets--they go to the construction of the vehicle.

Any other rule would allow states to fundraise off of unsuspecting travelers from other states and to penalize out of staters, which violates the constitution's requirement of free travel amongst the several states.

Now, this discussion does make me wonder if the analysis would change with aftermarket modifications rather than vehicles direct from the manufacturer that already satisfy all federal regs. Certainly possible. I haven't looked into this stuff since ConLaw back in 2004 though, so the details are pretty hazy.
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Same as dot or FAA rules

It's pretty simple you must compliy with all applicable laws whichever is the most restricting
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Same as dot or FAA rules

It's pretty simple you must compliy with all applicable laws whichever is the most restricting
Nope. Read above.
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The point is though that there ARE Federal constitutional concerns when states regulate in such a way as to restrict travel among the states or to penalize folks for being from another state.

It would for example very likely be unconstitutional for Georgia to declare that no vehicle on its roadways can have window tint, or require everyone to carry four spare tires, or to have 30 rearview mirrors, or have mud flaps that are within 1" of the ground, or have LED taillights, or be blue, etc. These are fundamentally different from radar detectors and helmets--they go to the construction of the vehicle.

Any other rule would allow states to fundraise off of unsuspecting travelers from other states and to penalize out of staters, which violates the constitution's requirement of free travel amongst the several states.

Now, this discussion does make me wonder if the analysis would change with aftermarket modifications rather than vehicles direct from the manufacturer that already satisfy all federal regs. Certainly possible. I haven't looked into this stuff since ConLaw back in 2004 though, so the details are pretty hazy.
Truth. To add to your post, states have ZERO say in regards to OEM vehicles. If the vehicle can be sold in the US, it is automatically legal in every state.
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I'll post up a pic of a NY ticket I have at home which has a compliance section. Do you guys have any idea how many people in NY have FL plates for tints or PA plates for no front plate
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Wow, this thread went way off course.
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Wow, this thread went way off course.
Yeah, but OP's question was answered, so I don't feel too bad.
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Technically it is on course. The OP was worried about tickets so we needed to clarify some things. Off course is a bit strong, I'd say more of a tangent
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IMO a ticket written for a compliance issue against an out of state vehicle says more about the enforcer than a rediculous law.
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Ok, here is the deal. Most states require 2 mirrors. However most city officers will not pull you unless they are having a bad day. Although most DPS officers will know the law and will pull you and ticket you for anything they can find. Trust me, when I took my inspection test many years ago I had to deal with these guys and they do not play.

Therefore when I took mine off, I bought the mirrors that matched the Body Armor tube doors. I could Kick myself in the butt regarding that, because now I have 2 sets of mirrors and could have done this mod in the 1st place.

Just an after thought, but this is the way I would have went:

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Doors, Mirrors & 3rd Brake Light

If you really want to live on the edge and be a Real "Out Law" such as myself try this:

Cut the ugly 3rd brake light off and see what happens?

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With that said, look at the clean look on this shot:

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Could I get a ticket? Of course, but not likely.

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If you really want to live on the edge and be a Real "Out Law" such as myself try this:

Cut the ugly 3rd brake light off and see what happens?

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With that said, look at the clean look on this shot:

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Breakin the law breakin the law!!!! Breakin the law breakin law!!!!
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Breakin the law breakin the law!!!! Breakin the law breakin law!!!!
Careful now, I'm registered with the FBI, but not with ATF, which are more astute to Laws and such...

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Yeah pretty sure I am forever listed on stuff to. Guess I should probably put some stuff back on my sporty evo chop to get back in their good graces........ yeah right. DEATH MACHINES FOR LIFE.....
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LMAO @ dsergisn... I just don't want to look to get pulled over. I like SunnyKK's solution but I still need my vents
If your doors are off, why do you need your vents?
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If your doors are off, why do you need your vents?
For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
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For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
Gotcha! pretty obvious, but I didn't think of that.
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Old 06-24-2012, 08:55 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by KittyPrawn

For when it is ungodly hot and you want to blast the AC too!
Which I do at just about every red light when I start to cook

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