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Old 06-08-2011, 01:04 PM   #31
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If there are States or cities being overly restrictive about doors off, then Jeep (Fiat) needs to get involved and help fight it.
Where is any Jeep rep participating on this forum? GM has recently involved reps on the Corvette and Camaro forums. Hello Jeep? Heard of this thing called the interwebs?

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I think it's just rumor that has grown. I'm there a lot in the summer and never had an issue. In fact I was pulled over once by a state trooper who was admiring my jeep and wanted to talk to me about it. I never have doors on.

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If there are States or cities being overly restrictive about doors off, then Jeep (Fiat) needs to get involved and help fight it.
Where is any Jeep rep participating on this forum? GM has recently involved reps on the Corvette and Camaro forums. Hello Jeep? Heard of this thing called the interwebs?
There's no need because none of it is substantiated.
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^^^Yea, the local Governments can enforce stricter than Federal Regulations, but not the other way around.

Technically, police can probably lump the no doors into the vehicle is unsafe yada yada bs. I know a lot of cops like to speak out of their arse and make up laws. Just like my friend got a warning for not driving with shoes on. She was going to prom and took her heals off to drive and she got out at a gas station, he gave her the warning. Bunch of bull.
I do belive that driving without proper footwear (barefoot or flip flops) is illegal in VA.
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I do belive that driving without proper footwear (barefoot or flip flops) is illegal in VA.
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Old 06-08-2011, 01:25 PM   #36
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If this thread is in regard to the OC Jeep Week thread on JF, keep in mind that the knucklehead who got a ticket took all 4 doors off his XJ. Big difference.
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If this thread is in regard to the OC Jeep Week thread on JF, keep in mind that the knucklehead who got a ticket took all 4 doors off his XJ. Big difference.
Just curious, why would it be?
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If this thread is in regard to the OC Jeep Week thread on JF, keep in mind that the knucklehead who got a ticket took all 4 doors off his XJ. Big difference.
There was a guy who did that last year with VW GTI or Jetta and got pulled over. He asked why Jeeps were allowed to take their doors off
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I got harrassed by a local PD for only having 1 mirror, he said it has to be what the vehicle was outfitted with in production, no biggie, but just to what Inferno said, check with your local BMV.
I'm willing to bet this is a case of the officer misunderstanding the statute, or making it up as they go along...

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(A) Every motor vehicle, motorcycle, and trackless trolley shall be equipped with a mirror so located as to reflect to the operator a view of the highway to the rear of such vehicle, motorcycle, or trackless trolley. Operators of vehicles, motorcycles, streetcars, and trackless trolleys shall have a clear and unobstructed view to the front and to both sides of their vehicles, motorcycles, streetcars, or trackless trolleys and shall have a clear view to the rear of their vehicles, motorcycles, streetcars, or trackless trolleys by mirror.

(B) Whoever violates this section shall be punished as provided in section 4513.99 of the Revised Code.

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Just curious, why would it be?
They are part of the structural integrity of an XJ.
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You are also at the mercy of the officers interpretation of the laws. That is unless you are willing to fight a fix it ticket in court. I may be mistaken, but I don't think not having mirrors or doors is a moving violation. I had to fight a stop sign violation in court years back because the sign was on a post and there was a lane turning before it. Had to explain the law to the person supposedly enforcing them what the definition of an intersection is. Told him to mark the court date in his planner as I will be there, he laughed at me. Represented myself in court after about 4 hours of researching Ohio state law and local city laws. Case dismissed! Yeah, he got a nice little on my way out.

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You are also at the mercy of the officers interpretation of the laws. That is unless you are willing to fight a fix it ticket in court. I may be mistaken, but I don't think not having mirrors or doors is a moving violation. I had to fight a stop sign violation in court years back because the sign was on a post and there was a lane turning before it. Had to explain the law to the person supposedly enforcing them what the definition of an intersection is. Told him to mark the court date in his planner as I will be there, he laughed at me. Represented myself in court after about 4 hours of researching Ohio state law and local city laws. Case dismissed! Yeah, he got a nice little on my way out.

Correct, it is a safety violation not a moving violation.
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Love the doors off but can't stand not having my 2 original mirrors so went with rugged ridge relocation brackets. All steel brackets and cover for hole in door when mirrors are removed. Driver side awesome view...passenger side with steel doors on....horrible..I just fold the passenger mirror in right before the breakaway features work and I can see half of the mirror and whats on my right side.
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CALL YOUR STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, call them and ask them what the rules are. Every state is different. I did, and they told me exactly what I needed to know. Get the name of the officer you spoke to, record the time and date, so if you get stopped, you'll have back-up. Tell the officer who pulls you over to do the same thing, call HQ and ask them.
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CALL YOUR STATE POLICE HEADQUARTERS!!!!!!!!

Seriously, call them and ask them what the rules are. Every state is different. I did, and they told me exactly what I needed to know. Get the name of the officer you spoke to, record the time and date, so if you get stopped, you'll have back-up. Tell the officer who pulls you over to do the same thing, call HQ and ask them.
The issue with that is that some counties can add to state law and make doorless a violation, so you may not know all that you should.
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They are part of the structural integrity of an XJ.
Oh ok.
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On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
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OP, just get soft half doors or tube doors, keep them in the back and if the LEO give you crap just throw them on.
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On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
Really? Lol. Thats interesting.
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On the jeep web site it says having the doors off is only for off road use only.
That's probably the lawyers talkin'
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I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.
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The issue with that is that some counties can add to state law and make doorless a violation, so you may not know all that you should.
No they can't. They may TRY to, but it WILL NOT hold up in court. Vehicle safety codes are a STATE function, because your vehicle is registered to the STATE, not the COUNTY. If a county tries to pull that mess, tell them the STATE makes the vehicle safety laws, based on Federal standards. A lot of cops and municipalities count on you not knowing the laws, hell, a lot of cops don't even know the laws, especially the ones that outright contradict themselves. Don't fall for their BS, KNOW THE LAWS!! If you really are worried about it, call your County!! Things like emissions standards and DUI standards can vary between counties, but not required safety equipment. Which doesn't matter, because the Jeep's doors are not considered safety equipment. Jeep doors are DESIGNED to be removed. If you get a ticket for removing the Jeep's doors, you might as well get one for removing the top, pulling the spare tire, pulling the back seat, etc.

It's the same thing between states. If the state your vehicle is registered in only requires x, you can't get a ticket in the next state over for not having y, nor get a ticket in any county within your home state if you're following STATE guidelines. Think about it this way: If a guy was from a county that permits doors off, does it make sense for him to get a ticket in the next county over that requires doors? Again, if you don't know the laws, you can't argue your case. KNOW THE LAWS!!!
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I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.
One rearview mirror, one mirror that provides a view to the rear on the driver's side. straight from the horse's mouth. OC cops are notorious for trying to ticket tourists, counting on you not coming back to fight it. do what i did. speak to someone at the State Police HQ, get his name, date and time you spoke with him. If an OC cop pulls you, tell him state law says doors off is 100% legal, and this is who he needs to talk to.
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No shoes is NOT a made up law...... here in Illinois..... barefoot driving is NOT allowed....
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No shoes is NOT a made up law...... here in Illinois..... barefoot driving is NOT allowed....
That's so weird. Anyone know about the MD law on shoeless driving?
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That's so weird. Anyone know about the MD law on shoeless driving?
Illegal in SC as well. Found out one day.
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No they can't. They may TRY to, but it WILL NOT hold up in court. Vehicle safety codes are a STATE function, because your vehicle is registered to the STATE, not the COUNTY. If a county tries to pull that mess, tell them the STATE makes the vehicle safety laws, based on Federal standards. A lot of cops and municipalities count on you not knowing the laws, hell, a lot of cops don't even know the laws, especially the ones that outright contradict themselves. Don't fall for their BS, KNOW THE LAWS!! If you really are worried about it, call your County!! Things like emissions standards and DUI standards can vary between counties, but not required safety equipment. Which doesn't matter, because the Jeep's doors are not considered safety equipment. Jeep doors are DESIGNED to be removed. If you get a ticket for removing the Jeep's doors, you might as well get one for removing the top, pulling the spare tire, pulling the back seat, etc.

It's the same thing between states. If the state your vehicle is registered in only requires x, you can't get a ticket in the next state over for not having y, nor get a ticket in any county within your home state if you're following STATE guidelines. Think about it this way: If a guy was from a county that permits doors off, does it make sense for him to get a ticket in the next county over that requires doors? Again, if you don't know the laws, you can't argue your case. KNOW THE LAWS!!!

Not true.....in Illinois for example... each county can pass laws that are MORE stringent than the state laws, but not LESS stringent (E.G. in Cook county, you CANNOT use your Cell phone unless you have a hands free device, but in the rest of the state you can.)

Also, even IF your state allows you to have a weapon (gun) in your vehicle within reach, DO NOT... and I repeat DO NOT drive through Illinois thinking your state's guidlines will prevent you from going to jail..... they will not.
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I'm 95% sure that MD law says that you need at least two mirrors that give you an unobstructed view of at least 200 feet to the rear.

Also, there is no law about doors off as far as I know. I am actually driving to OC this weekend and plan on going doorless. I did it at least a half dozen times last summer.

I have never been pulled over for not having the doors off. I'm sure that if you get pulled over for a seat belt violation or speeding they could write you up if they want to be a jerk. I don't think they are going to go out of their way just to pull over someone in a jeep. They have better things to do like find the person that murdered the woman in the Burger King several weeks ago. That should have been easy since the State Trooper headquarters is less than a mile down the street. You idiots!!

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