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Old 02-02-2012, 06:58 PM   #31
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I'd blow myself up. Electricity hates me.
Take the battery out first. Then your pretty much safe.


This is a great write up. Thank You.

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That's bad ass! I'm thinking of doing something similar however; I'm going to use benchmarks stage 3 setup rather than NL.

The benchmarks stage 3 includes the dual battery tray, top clamp, Smart Isolator, wiring, heavy duty cabling, hardware and a 500 AMP Winch Fuse Dedicated Power Tap.

I'll be running a lot of power hungry equipment eventually, all my lights, a fridge/freezer, etc, etc. It's an awesome setup and anybody with the spare cash should look into it. All and all with the batteries and the stage 3 system my setup will cost me about $1200. Now, that's not quite done. I'm also going to build in a solar power station to charge the batteries as well. But let's save that for another conversation! Looks great, I'm glad to see it!!

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That's bad ass! I'm thinking of doing something similar however; I'm going to use benchmarks stage 3 setup rather than NL.

The benchmarks stage 3 includes the dual battery tray, top clamp, Smart Isolator, wiring, heavy duty cabling, hardware and a 500 AMP Winch Fuse Dedicated Power Tap.

I'll be running a lot of power hungry equipment eventually, all my lights, a fridge/freezer, etc, etc. It's an awesome setup and anybody with the spare cash should look into it. All and all with the batteries and the stage 3 system my setup will cost me about $1200. Now, that's not quite done. I'm also going to build in a solar power station to charge the batteries as well. But let's save that for another conversation! Looks great, I'm glad to see it!!
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...but here in Central VA where I live, I'm not sure there is anyone I'd trust to do the install

Question: the old dual battery sys I am familiar with had a switch on the lower side of the drivers seat: Bat 1, Bat 2 or Both ..... is this new sys the same
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean Willee, this will be my first dual battery build out.
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean Willee, this will be my first dual battery build out.
The Benchmade system does not include the module control. It has both batteries listed, their state of charge, and the ability to choose 1 or the other, or pair them together. That's one reason I went with Benchmade's plate, but National Luna's Kit.
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And btw..... cost was Nnot 2K.... but is was a bit more than the Benchmade system. Because of the aforementioned control module. Plus, the readout above the solenoid, on the battery holder... things I felt necessary to my being able to monitor the system.
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This or the smart isolators are the ONLY way to go. Period!
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Smart isolaters are only expensive as you want to pay. I'm running dual batteries on my jetski. The isolater cost around $50.
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Smart isolaters are only expensive as you want to pay. I'm running dual batteries on my jetski. The isolater cost around $50.

Not to sound rude but it's a different application that doesn't need a "smart" isolater. As my dad boat has one installed ( I did)
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Not to sound rude but it's a different application that doesn't need a "smart" isolater. As my dad boat has one installed ( I did)
No worries.

You're correct. I shouldnt have said "smart". Just meant that for a dual setup you can go as simple or fancy as your wallet allows.
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No worries.

You're correct. I shouldnt have said "smart". Just meant that for a dual setup you can go as simple or fancy as your wallet allows.

You need a smart isolator in a automotive application Vs a marine application. If you put a Marine isolator on you are setting your self up for failure/problems. As the batteries are completely different.
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You need a smart isolator in a automotive application Vs a marine application. If you put a Marine isolator on you are setting your self up for failure/problems. As the batteries are completely different.
I never said I have a marine isolater. I just said I have an isolater on my ski.
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I never said I have a marine isolater. I just said I have an isolater on my ski.
Not to sound rude again...lol Jet ski is a marine application thus needs a marine standard isolater. Unless which I'm confused which is probably it. Been a long day. Sitting here cleaning my guns matter of fact listing to some Awolnation.
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Not to sound rude again...lol Jet ski is a marine application thus needs a marine standard isolater. Unless which I'm confused which is probably it. Been a long day. Sitting here cleaning my guns matter of fact listing to some Awolnation.
The technical term for what I'm using is a voltage sensitive relay. Its built for 12v systems and is not a marine specific item.


I cleaned my gun earlier. LOL

Edit: I'm sick ATM so I'm hopped up on drugs. It likely me that is missing something.
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What an awesome install! You're really setting a high standard and most of the Jeep-Wives are muttering slanderous things about you...


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................ I have bookmarked this thread, as it contains such detail, and with retirement weeks away and planning to stay in the Mtn's as much as possible, I may well copy CG3's system. Her post here is invaluable and I have enjoyed her willingness to share her personal purchases with us. Remember, she did not have to spend her time sharing and answering our questions, but she DID

CG3 is family, so pick on her and you ruffel her FAMILY

As I said earlier, I have 10-yrs experience with vehicles using dual-battery systems and thay can be life saving in an emergency!

Anyone, that earns a living in the outdoors, many times in the middle-of-nowhere, would do well to install this system as CG3 has done!

Like an O2 bottle, trauma-dressing or AED, use it one time and it has paid for itself! Same applies to your Hi-lift jack or winch, use it one time, its paid for itself! I havem and pray I never have to use em!

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Brilliant post.

We all have a spare tire, most have a tire repair kit, compressor or onboard air...
Tools.
I've seen people carry spare axles, spare u-joints, bearings...

And then some folks quibble about the wisdom of an extra battery?
C'mon.
We're out in remote areas. We have winches, hi-tech electronic canbus ruled TIPMs with pulsewidth-modulated nonsense, big lights, and DVD players onboard.

Don't undervalue the ability to crank when you want to.
Next time you turn the key and your rig fires to life, say a silent thankyou to the ghost of Mr Tesla and have your warm/fuzzy moment.



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TWO GRAND for one additional battery?????? I have some potential ocean side property in Arizona I would like to sell to some of you people.....
I got jumper cables; just call me.
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Carolyn,
What an awesome install! You're really setting a high standard and most of the Jeep-Wives are muttering slanderous things about you...



Ain't Life Grand



We are so freaking fortunate to have our jeeps.... and time and place (here) to discuss what we do/want to do/will do etc... etc... etc...

Let's go camping And we'll call it Overlanding and sound really kewl

Yup...... life is good.
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Ain't Life Grand



We are so freaking fortunate to have our jeeps.... and time and place (here) to discuss what we do/want to do/will do etc... etc... etc...

Let's go camping And we'll call it Overlanding and sound really kewl

Yup...... life is good.
Are you going to Mormon Lake in May?
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I'll be in Moab, early May (Teaching at a the Moab Photography Symposium) then packing it up to leave Utah (until the snow falls again) and heading for California and Mexico... What's at Mormon Lake in May?

Edited to add.... OK.... see it now. Looks like great fun, but I'm speaking to the members of the San Diego Museum of Art May 21st... so that won't work. Darn!
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I'll be in Moab, early May (Teaching at a the Moab Photography Symposium) then packing it up to leave Utah (until the snow falls again) and heading for California and Mexico... What's at Mormon Lake in May?
Overland Expo - Home

C'mon out. Camp with us, take or teach a class or two, and I'll let you photograph my dog, Jessi D. Wündermütt...
All the cool kids will be at this one.


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Overland Expo - Home

C'mon out. Camp with us, take or teach a class or two, and I'll let you photograph my dog, Jessi D. Wündermütt...
All the cool kids will be at this one.


WOW - that's one keen looking dog! I sure do wish I could go.... however... see edit added to my post above. Arghhhhhhhhh
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Edited to add.... OK.... see it now. Looks like great fun, but I'm speaking to the members of the San Diego Museum of Art May 21st... so that won't work. Darn!
We're headed to the Grand Canyon after the expo with a group; all dirt...
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Very sophisticated and worthwhile for the OP and many others, I'm sure, but I'm still old school and would prefer the simple marine type application that uses a manual dual battery switch. Most can install it themselves for a very reasonable cost and should be able to fix it if need be, in the middle of Death Valley or somewhere in Alaska.
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And btw..... cost was Nnot 2K.... but is was a bit more than the Benchmade system. Because of the aforementioned control module. Plus, the readout above the solenoid, on the battery holder... things I felt necessary to my being able to monitor the system.
CG3,
Awesome info. It's funny, I was just looking into all this on Monday and poof, here you are. I'd love to chat more about the setup. I don't know much about it but know it's important, esp for having a fridge to keep my beers cold at all times.

I'll look into the two sites and ping ya if I have any monstrous questions.

AWESOME POST!!!!
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Awesome info. It's funny, I was just looking into all this on Monday and poof, here you are. I'd love to chat more about the setup. I don't know much about it but know it's important, esp for having a fridge to keep my beers cold at all times.

I'll look into the two sites and ping ya if I have any monstrous questions.

AWESOME POST!!!!
Feel free.... there's a lot I don't know, but I did do my due diligence before spending my $$$. Send me an email, or pm.... I'll send you my phone number if you want.

A great source of information would be Kurt at Cruiser Outfitters (he did my install). He sells the National Luna kits... and thoroughly understands the system.
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This would make a good sticky.

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Very sophisticated and worthwhile for the OP and many others, I'm sure, but I'm still old school and would prefer the simple marine type application that uses a manual dual battery switch. Most can install it themselves for a very reasonable cost and should be able to fix it if need be, in the middle of Death Valley or somewhere in Alaska.
I'm not sure if switching like that would do any harm without additional components to smooth out switching-induced noise, BUT if it isn't a factor, then by my admittedly dated experience you would need to do the following:

*Perform the necessary modification(s) to the Jeep to allow the mounting of a secondary battery.
*Establish a place in the cabin where a manual transfer switch can be mounted within reach of the driver that will accommodate three 6-guage or likely thicker cables.
*Establish a way to run three 6-gauge or likely thicker cables from each battery and the Jeep's battery connection into the cabin where the transfer switch is mounted.

Running the large cables and setting up the mount for the transfer switch is the PITA for a truly old school manual type setup.
Using relays or solenoids lets you use far smaller wires and switches for control in the cabin by having the heavy switching occur remotely under the hood, and I think that's a large part of doing things they way that they are nowadays.

Our local gang of true experts will doubtless have more detailed information, but I think that's the basics.
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I'm not sure if switching like that would do any harm without additional components to smooth out switching-induced noise, BUT if it isn't a factor, then by my admittedly dated experience you would need to do the following:

*Perform the necessary modification(s) to the Jeep to allow the mounting of a secondary battery.
*Establish a place in the cabin where a manual transfer switch can be mounted within reach of the driver that will accommodate three 6-guage or likely thicker cables.
*Establish a way to run three 6-gauge or likely thicker cables from each battery and the Jeep's battery connection into the cabin where the transfer switch is mounted.

Running the large cables and setting up the mount for the transfer switch is the PITA for a truly old school manual type setup.
Using relays or solenoids lets you use far smaller wires and switches for control in the cabin by having the heavy switching occur remotely under the hood, and I think that's a large part of doing things they way that they are nowadays.

Our local gang of true experts will doubtless have more detailed information, but I think that's the basics.
Still too much and I'd just mount the transfer switch under the hood in close proximity of the batteries if possible, just like you'll find in any boat with dual batteries. If I was to do more than that, I'd mount solenoids under the hood somewhere and control them with little switches and use small gauge wire to the inside the cab, like has been said and should be able to pick up what's needed at Auto Zone or other, if I don't have it on hand already.
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Ah yes, of course that's way simpler.
I assumed controls near the operator, but not strictly necessary, of course.
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x2 - very interested in 2012. It looks like you have two yellow top Optimas installed? Did you purchase those at the same time (ie, consecutive serial numbers)? What was the approx damage on those?

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Very nice! Glad this worked out well for you. Looks like a clean install. Your Jeep is quite the masterpiece, love it. I'll be following your footsteps, somewhat slower, but almost identically.

Coincidentally, I just decided to pull the trigger on the Benchmark kit and move forward with the dual batteries as I'd been wanting to do this for some time.

I went on the Benchmark Designs site and the site specifically says that it is not compatible with the 2012's. However, a previous conversation with John @ Benchmark Designs noted that it was compatible. So, I contacted him again and got the 411.

The kit IS 2012 compatible, John said that there were changes to the tray to accommodate the 2012's that have not been updated on the site. You can get a 2012 ready kit for the same price by calling them at (425) 417-7372.

I'm going with the Stage 3 kit they list, mainly because I don't need the features that the National Luna kit provides, and can't pass up the price point for the complete setup since they do use a reputable smart isolator.

If no one beats me to it, I'll eventually post up pictures of it on my 2012 once I get the kit in and free up some time to do the install.

Thanks for taking the time to post this!

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