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Old 06-11-2012, 06:17 AM   #1
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Dyna beads

Wanted to wait a day before i posted. Some may remember I bought my 35x12.5x15 BFkm2's used off CL.

I had balancing issues since the beginning.
3 attempts at normal balance with no luck. I then had the tires roadforce balanced which determined 2 of my tires were out of round/bad. Now I know why they were sold

I've been Dealing with highway vibes since I mounted these tires, most noticed at 50 mph. Some days worse than others.

I read about balancing beads and I figure I give them a shot. Even the DB site says not to expect miracles with a bad tire(s)

Enough blabber.., drive to work was absolutely amazing, no vibes at all. Smoothest these tires have ever felt.

Now I have to decide whether to remove the weights or not. I might just leave well enough alone and leave them on.

FYI , balancing beads are supposed to add life to the tire without the need for weights. The tire is always balanced.

Beads cost $130 for 5 8 oz bags, stems, etc. I bought a cheap engraver to help installation. Took lil over an hour to do.

Wish I did sooner
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get rid of the weights,, it will cause issues down the road,, so to say,, your in CT... you should get in touch with jae over at briggs tire,,, this guy is hard core jeeper. he will let you pick his brain all day long.

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get rid of the weights,, it will cause issues down the road,, so to say,, your in CT... you should get in touch with jae over at briggs tire,,, this guy is hard core jeeper. he will let you pick his brain all day long.
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What kind of "issues" you speak of?
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Thanks GREEN.

What kind of "issues" you speak of?
wheel weights and the dyna beads should not be used with each other,, you can read about it on jk-project, or on jkfreaks.... i run them in my harley's for years. best thing since ice cream.
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wheel weights and the dyna beads should not be used with each other,, you can read about it on jk-project, or on jkfreaks.... i run them in my harley's for years. best thing since ice cream.
Ok.. Thank you!!

I will remove them.
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Wanted to wait a day before i posted. Some may remember I bought my 35x12.5x15 BFkm2's used off CL.

I had balancing issues since the beginning.
3 attempts at normal balance with no luck. I then had the tires roadforce balanced which determined 2 of my tires were out of round/bad. Now I know why they were sold

I've been Dealing with highway vibes since I mounted these tires, most noticed at 50 mph. Some days worse than others.

I read about balancing beads and I figure I give them a shot. Even the DB site says not to expect miracles with a bad tire(s)

Enough blabber.., drive to work was absolutely amazing, no vibes at all. Smoothest these tires have ever felt.

Now I have to decide whether to remove the weights or not. I might just leave well enough alone and leave them on.

FYI , balancing beads are supposed to add life to the tire without the need for weights. The tire is always balanced.

Beads cost $130 for 5 8 oz bags, stems, etc. I bought a cheap engraver to help installation. Took lil over an hour to do.

Wish I did sooner
Those are pretty cool. I've never heard of putting beads in your tires for balancing. I guess you do learn something new everyday.
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Glad to hear you've gotten good results keeper. Any negatives to running beads? Do you ever have to have them balanced at a shop again? Would that do harm to the beads? I think I understand what they do in my little research, they go to the places inside the tire that need the weight when the tire is moving to help balance it.

I've heard motorcycle owners have used these for a while now with good results too. I think I read somewhere that you have to always start out slow so that the beads disperse evenly? Any idea on all this rambling by me this morning before coffee?
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Just a question; what is the engraver for? To vibrate the tube to get the beads in the tire?
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I have the beads in the front of mine, haven't gotten around to putting them in the rear yet, so far so good. They are way better than the lead weights, the only problem is that although they do have a chart to go by with how many ounces it SHOULD take to balance a tire of a certain size, it's not perfect when it comes to MT tires because of the big lugs. As for starting off slow that is BS, they have used beads in a large tired diesel drag truck with great success and he does not start off slow. It just took a few tries at the getting the amount of beads needed to do the trick.
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Just a question; what is the engraver for? To vibrate the tube to get the beads in the tire?
Yep

ESP- the site has a good Q&A section.

No negatives as far as I can see. And yes the beads spread out in side as you gain speed to balance the tire. No need for normal balancing.
There are offroad beads that are bigger but the tire needs to be broken down.
Also supplied are filtered valve stems for airing down.
Some say they can hear them in the tire but I can't. I did a little-rolling the tire over to the jeep before mounting.
These are supposed to be good for trail rigs that lose weights a lot and need constant rebalancing.

I was really surprised how well they seem to work
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Found a simple video of how they are installed for those wondering.

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I have the beads in the front of mine, haven't gotten around to putting them in the rear yet, so far so good. They are way better than the lead weights, the only problem is that although they do have a chart to go by with how many ounces it SHOULD take to balance a tire of a certain size, it's not perfect when it comes to MT tires because of the big lugs. As for starting off slow that is BS, they have used beads in a large tired diesel drag truck with great success and he does not start off slow. It just took a few tries at the getting the amount of beads needed to do the trick.
The chart for 35's said 8 oz.

2 of my tires are pretty bad. I figured I try the 8 and go from there.

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Found a simple video of how they are installed for those wondering.

Thanks, YouTube is where I got the engraver idea
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So the beads are kinda like a one time deal right? Install them and leave em for the life of the tire. There is no removing of them to put in another set eh?
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So the beads are kinda like a one time deal right? Install them and leave em for the life of the tire. There is no removing of them to put in another set eh?
No removing, I'm not sure if the bigger beads can be reused?

They are supposed to last the life of the tire.
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The guy in the video had an air compressor that he used to fill the tire after the beads went in. I'd imagine this to be quite more of a challenge if you don't have one because you have to drain the tire to get the beads in then you have to fill it up. You cannot move the vehicle while doing this. How did you do it? I dunno if a local shop would mind you doing this at their location so that you could just fill up the tire.

I suppose you could always do it near one of those air pumps for 75 cents in the neighborhood. Wait...did I just answer my own question?
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The guy in the video had an air compressor that he used to fill the tire after the beads went in. I'd imagine this to be quite more of a challenge if you don't have one because you have to drain the tire to get the beads in then you have to fill it up. You cannot move the vehicle while doing this. How did you do it? I dunno if a local shop would mind you doing this at their location so that you could just fill up the tire.

I suppose you could always do it near one of those air pumps for 75 cents in the neighborhood. Wait...did I just answer my own question?


I have a compressor.

I'm sure one of those little pancake jobs will work. Just take longer to fill
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Might just add these over getting my tires re-balanced
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Might just add these over getting my tires re-balanced
Especially if you know the tires are round and in good shape.
Should never have to balance
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I have run them in my last two trucks, they work well but I am not sure they are TPMS compatible as they claim. I have replaced two sensors on my current truck that stopped working. On my JK I went with regular weights as I am using the TPMS system.
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I have 33" Nitto Trail Grapplers. I initially tried conventional balancing & wheel weights - and got HORRIBLE vibrations/wobble on the highway (65pm and up). I went over to DynaBeads since I knew they worked great in previous motorcycles I had - but they made matters worse for me. This was all on brand new tires & wheels.

I tried the beads both with the wheel weights still on - and with them off (way worse! getting intermittent wobbles between 45 - 55 & again after 65). I just had my beads removed on Friday and had the wheels balanced again, this time having weights put on both the inside AND outside of the wheel (I painted the visible ones with a light coat of black touch up to blend in with my wheels). Best result so far (very mintor vibration above 65mpg). Not sure if these tires are just way out of whack, being how aggressive the tread/lugs are - but balancing them well has proven to be impossible so far. I've consulted with several tire places - including ones with extrensive Jeep & 4x4 experience - and all said that the vibration/wobble is a fact of life with these tires.

Looking forward to moving to the DuraTracs once I've killed these babies...
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I have 33" Nitto Trail Grapplers. I initially tried conventional balancing & wheel weights - and got HORRIBLE vibrations/wobble on the highway (65pm and up). I went over to DynaBeads since I knew they worked great in previous motorcycles I had - but they made matters worse for me. This was all on brand new tires & wheels.

I tried the beads both with the wheel weights still on - and with them off (way worse! getting intermittent wobbles between 45 - 55 & again after 65). I just had my beads removed on Friday and had the wheels balanced again, this time having weights put on both the inside AND outside of the wheel. Best result so far. Not sure if these tires are just way out of whack, being how aggressive the tread/lugs are - but balancing them well has proven to be impossible so far. I've consulted with several tire places - including ones with extrensive Jeep & 4x4 experience - and all said that the vibration/wobble is a fact of life with these tires.

Looking forward to moving to the DuraTracs once I've killed these babies...
Not true and don't believe this. There is a different handling characteristic with larger tires and a bigger foot print but it can always be balanced unless the tire is out of round. There are several options to achieving a much better result.

1. Normal Balance to zero on rolling balancing machine "most common"
2. Do not stack weights
3. Match mount balancing or road force balancing
4. Weights on both sides of the wheel. (not cosmetically pleasing for some but really the only true weight to return the tire to zero) Best option if you don't care about looks but want it to ride the way it should.
5. Dyna beads (some have success, some don't)

You've already done an important step in having the weights on both sides. Not uncommon on trail rigs with bigger tires. If the ride is good now, your done. If not at this point have a shop remove the tire from the wheel and check your wheel for roundness. If the wheel is round and you're not getting the results with weights on both side you want, the sell the tire and buy another. It is out of round.
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I was told the same thing. "Live with it"

My tires were match mounted/road forced.
3 tires wobbled on the machine
Balanced to "0" but runout on them was near max.
Tires that exceed Max are deemed no good. the machine will actually read "replace tire" or "replace wheel"

Both my spare and the wheel exceeded max runout. I was hoping to just replace them at some point, not looking good for the KM2's. I could send the wheel back I guess.

Anyways...... My drive home again was fantastic... I could not feel any vibes whatsoever. I am still in aw over what's these beads can do

I've read it all. Some people have good results and some don't. I was under the impression that they (the beads) would not do anything with my situation.
I was so wrong
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I had no idea you could do this, very interesting, hope it all works out for you.
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I was told the same thing. "Live with it"

My tires were match mounted/road forced.
3 tires wobbled on the machine
Balanced to "0" but runout on them was near max.
Tires that exceed Max are deemed no good. the machine will actually read "replace tire" or "replace wheel"

Both my spare and the wheel exceeded max runout. I was hoping to just replace them at some point, not looking good for the KM2's. I could send the wheel back I guess.

Anyways...... My drive home again was fantastic... I could not feel any vibes whatsoever. I am still in aw over what's these beads can do

I've read it all. Some people have good results and some don't. I was under the impression that they (the beads) would not do anything with my situation.
I was so wrong
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When I owned my garbage trucks, I ran steel belted radials on the front and luggers on the back. The back tires never needed balancing because of the weight they carried but the fronts needed balancing. My mechanic told me about adding about a quarter cup of lead shot to the front tires to ensure proper balance and I thought he was sniffing the gas from his welder, but it worked great. I was sold on lead shot from that point on.

I haven't thought about doing it on my Jeep because my tire guy is a freaking whiz at balancing my tires and he does it, along with a rotation, for free if you buy the tires from him.
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When I owned my garbage trucks, I ran steel belted radials on the front and luggers on the back. The back tires never needed balancing because of the weight they carried but the fronts needed balancing. My mechanic told me about adding about a quarter cup of lead shot to the front tires to ensure proper balance and I thought he was sniffing the gas from his welder, but it worked great. I was sold on lead shot from that point on.

I haven't thought about doing it on my Jeep because my tire guy is a freaking whiz at balancing my tires and he does it, along with a rotation, for free if you buy the tires from him.
"Sniffing the gas from his welder"

People use all kinds of things.

- BB's
-air soft pellets
-lead shot
- dyna
- etc

I would have tried the air soft pellets but wasn't keen on breaking the tire down to put them in.

Dyna's CS seems great so I went with them.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:54 PM   #30
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So what happens if and when you take the tire off the wheel kjeeper? Do the beads run out all over the ground? Could they be re-used again if so? I'm thinking of doing this.

Could you give me a link to where and what I would need to buy to do this on my 33x12.5R15s?

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