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Old 06-26-2013, 04:36 PM   #31
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IF this comes to fruition...I could very easily see a custom ordered 2017 Rubicon in my garage. (I'm with LJJ on this one and even though the engine may be old hat by then, you can almost guarantee at least a modest redesign of the JK in 2016)...

This could be the deal that keeps me from modding my 2013 and saving all those pennies instead. I'll be watching the interwebs for as much information as I can get my eyeballs on.
Bite your tounge satan! I really hope it's just minor cosmetic crap and not a massive redesign that will render the JK parts market worthless (to the new model.)

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New diesels ain't what they used to be. Slow turning torque monsters.

The new hi revs, hi hp diesels don't have a much longer life than a gasser.

I know this as I'm in the boating industry. The old boats with the old diesels kept going forever. There have been quite a few failures on some of the new, lighter, faster RPM high output diesels.

There's just trying to get too much out of them and they have lightened them up too much.

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Bite your tounge satan! I really hope it's just minor cosmetic crap and not a massive redesign that will render the JK parts market worthless (to the new model.)
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The new diesels are so much more complicated when compared to the diesel engines of 10 years ago, HPCR, regen, urea, the basic block may last a long time but all the associated systems will not. IMHO, diesel have gone down in reliability and gas engines have gone up, for light duty use like in pickups and SUVs I do not think there is a significant reliability advantage anymore.
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The new diesels are so much more complicated when compared to the diesel engines of 10 years ago, HPCR, regen, urea, the basic block may last a long time but all the associated systems will not. IMHO, diesel have gone down in reliability and gas engines have gone up, for light duty use like in pickups and SUVs I do not think there is a significant reliability advantage anymore.

I agree 100% .ULSD and lighter blocks and rotating assembly = near gas service life.
But I would still take one as long as its not a pig.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:47 PM   #36
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New diesels ain't what they used to be. Slow turning torque monsters.

The new hi revs, hi hp diesels don't have a much longer life than a gasser.

I know this as I'm in the boating industry. The old boats with the old diesels kept going forever. There have been quite a few failures on some of the new, lighter, faster RPM high output diesels.

There's just trying to get too much out of them and they have lightened them up too much.
I won't argue based on the overall facts, but I have family in Europe and other places that all have diesels (economy diesels not trucks) that are what you would call higher revving (Audi or vw tdi) and they have all surpassed the 250k kilometer mark with just basic maintenance. I actually don't know anyone that had a modern diesel fail on them. On the Jeep line, I don't think they are going to run a high revving (6k rpm) diesel.
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Note: I recently drove through Colorado (May/June) and I notice that most of the way through the state, Gas was more expensive than Diesel... It would be more worth it to own a Diesel Wrangler in Colorado.
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Bite your tounge satan! I really hope it's just minor cosmetic crap and not a massive redesign that will render the JK parts market worthless (to the new model.)
Unfortunately, its going to be a full redesign. That will be at the end of the wrangler 10 year life cycle. So no, most likely the parts wont carry over. But that's how it goes.
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If you take the "industry source" for their word, they are introducing the engine before the redesign.

"The engine will be introduced toward the end of the model's lifecycle to boost sales before they bring in the redesigned model."

Stands to chance that the current JK platform will hold the new engine. That being said some aftermarket springs may be soft because of the weight.
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I don't think you can assume a premium price when its 2-3 years out. When it comes time to trade in 2017 or 2018 for me, if they offer a diesel or other good engine that gets me closer to 30 MPG, well I'm going to jump on it. I've never gotten much better then around 16 in either of my JK's so if the payment works I'll be a happy camper. Not to mention the torque.
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Although I would love to own a diesel Jeep I do not see it being worth the investment for me personally. I already have a diesel truck for work. I Have owned diesel trucks for more than 10 years and they are awesome for towing and longevity, but I gotta say I am tired of the diesel exhaust smell. That would really dampen my mood to get a big whiff of diesel exhaust while stopped at a traffic light with the top and doors off. Smell that fresh air... oh wait, that stinks!
I Have a bmw diesel. You never smell any diesel smell. Most people are amazed it is a diesel.
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I still can't believe that no one is calling BS on this unnamed industry source..
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One of the early posters mentioned this, a diesel is a $4,000-$5,000 option in pickup trucks. How many of us are going to pay $45,000-$50,000 for our next Wrangler? I suppose a 2017 model with a diesel may be an option for me in 2024 or 2025.
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I'll run the 13 until at least 17 and see how the oil burners are doing :-)

I do want one, but I'm not in a hurry.
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One of the early posters mentioned this, a diesel is a $4,000-$5,000 option in pickup trucks. How many of us are going to pay $45,000-$50,000 for our next Wrangler? I suppose a 2017 model with a diesel may be an option for me in 2024 or 2025.
I will gladly pay the $4000 price tag (closer to 2.5K after negotiating) for a diesel. You can't buy torque like that, even aftermarket. If they come out with a diesel AND a hemi wrangler, then the decision will be tougher for some, but for me, it's diesel all the way.
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I will gladly pay the $4000 price tag (closer to 2.5K after negotiating) for a diesel. You can't buy torque like that, even aftermarket. If they come out with a diesel AND a hemi wrangler, then the decision will be tougher for some, but for me, it's diesel all the way.
While I'd frakking LOVE to own a Hemi and be right in the drivers seat of all the fun that could be had with that, my Jeep will always be my daily driver and even if the diesel engine commands a 3k+ price increase AND fuel goes up to $6 a gallon by then, it'd still be cheaper than paying for the speeding tickets, increased insurance premiums from said speeding tickets, and new tires every 10-12,000 miles from doing burnouts at every stop light.
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:21 PM   #47
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While I'd frakking LOVE to own a Hemi and be right in the drivers seat of all the fun that could be had with that, my Jeep will always be my daily driver and even if the diesel engine commands a 3k+ price increase AND fuel goes up to $6 a gallon by then, it'd still be cheaper than paying for the speeding tickets, increased insurance premiums from said speeding tickets, and new tires every 10-12,000 miles from doing burnouts at every stop light.
A diesel will outburn out a hemi any day, especially if chipped.
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Can't wait, the 2016 will be my first Wrangler.
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The biggest issue with work diesel engines"tractor trailers", is all the crap they put on the engine for emissions. you now have EGR, diesel exhaust fluid, and after treatment devices. In layman terms that I s exhaust gas recirculation, exhaust fluid and a exhaust filter. This stuff is the highest cause of major breakdowns. I should know I have worked in a Tractor trailer dealership for 15 years. by the way when the "exhaust filter" I full, and it will fill up it is on you to pay to have it replaced. It is a maintenance item . Diesel engines are a good choice if you have an application for them, But they are a huge investment!
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I will gladly pay the $4000 price tag (closer to 2.5K after negotiating) for a diesel. You can't buy torque like that, even aftermarket. If they come out with a diesel AND a hemi wrangler, then the decision will be tougher for some, but for me, it's diesel all the way.
Chrysler is already in serious crap with meeting the new 2016 CAFE standard. They need to improve the average fleet mileage, and they're 10 years behind in hybrid technology.

Thats why they're pushing gas and Diesel V6's in the Grand Cherokee and 1/2 ton Ram's. As cool as a Hemi powered Wrangler would be, it'd be totally backwards for them from a business perspective. Not gonna happen.
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I dont see the 240 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque VM Diesel out performing a 6.4-liter Hemi V8 with 470 horsepower and 470 lb-ft of torque .The 5.7 produces 390 hp and 407 torque.Perhaps the 5.7 would be closer but I think the higher RPMS and hp numbers will give even the 5.7 the edge over the VM Diesel.
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I'd definitely prefer a Hemi, as well.
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They also list it as the same Diesel that is available in the 2013 Ram 1500 which is not true.Its coming for the 2014 Ram 1500.

After owning a 2500 Cummins and paying $4 a gallon for Diesel I would be much more excited for a factory Hemi option.
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I know someone with a CRD liberty and they have had nothing but problems with it. I would not buy a diesel wrangler unless it was a cummins.
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A diesel will outburn out a hemi any day, especially if chipped.
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what about towing.

I would love to haul more than a gocart with my wrangler. Would not a diesel be a huge improvement in towing capacity.
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I would love to haul more than a gocart with my wrangler. Would not a diesel be a huge improvement in towing capacity.
It's unlikely that would change much. The wheelbase is the deciding factor in towing capacity on a Wrangler, not the power plant. You might get a few hundred pounds more out of the JKU, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Wooooohooooo...music to my ears. Now I will pray they don't change the frame and body to the point that the JK parts don't fit and then I will trade mine in instantly!
I read the title of the thread to my wife, her response - I guess we are trading the 2013 Jeep in for a diesel, hopefully they don't f it over too much so we can move some mods over.
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I still can't believe that no one is calling BS on this unnamed industry source..
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The new diesels are so much more complicated when compared to the diesel engines of 10 years ago, HPCR, regen, urea, the basic block may last a long time but all the associated systems will not. IMHO, diesel have gone down in reliability and gas engines have gone up, for light duty use like in pickups and SUVs I do not think there is a significant reliability advantage anymore.
Exactly. I've owned over 7, both old and new (still have a 3208 Cat in my RV and an old PPump 5.9 in my farm truck plus a generator and some tractors). Old engines last forever, new engines pretty much last forever but all the emissions crap hooked up to them DOESN'T last forever and the added maintenance sucks (EGR/Intake cleanout at 100k, changing the oil every 5k - and that's 3 gallons!). Call Dodge and ask how much a new DPF is...bout half of what a good used TJ costs (and that's just one part of a very complicated emissions system).

Don't expect European mileage here in the US...are Diesel emissions are tighter than they are in Europe.

I'm a bigtime Diesel fanboy, but I've experienced first hand how they are slowly being ruined and robbed of what makes me like them...low end torque and high fuel efficiency.

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