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Old 11-14-2011, 06:18 PM   #1
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Electrical problem?

Hello all, I purchased an 08 sahara with 69k on it. I brought it in for them to replace the clock spring on Saturday. Today I put it in reverse and my windshield wipers turn on by themselves along with the washer fluid sprayed out and my horn started going off. I put it in neutral and turned it off took the key out and all this was still happening and the engine was still running.

It tuned off after a couple of minutes by itself. I started it up again and it didn't do it but I have a tapping noise from the tranny and the check engine lights on.

I drove it right over to the dealer and am waiting to hear from them.

Any ideas while I wait.....

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yup, the mechanic f'ed up putting the clock spring in.

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Hello all, I purchased an 08 sahara with 69k on it. I brought it in for them to replace the clock spring on Saturday. Today I put it in reverse and my windshield wipers turn on by themselves along with the washer fluid sprayed out and my horn started going off. I put it in neutral and turned it off took the key out and all this was still happening and the engine was still running.

It tuned off after a couple of minutes by itself. I started it up again and it didn't do it but I have a tapping noise from the tranny and the check engine lights on.

I drove it right over to the dealer and am waiting to hear from them.

Any ideas while I wait.....

Thanks in advance.
Perhaps no assistance at all but I have personally experienced the "unexplainable" on my 10. Computer "gremlins" for some reason. My has been limited to power window control function lost, windshield wiper activation (like on intermittent wipe), CD player hang up, and I guess that's it but having said that, I have to stop engine and then re-crank causing a soft-boot I guess and whatever the condition is clears and the world works fine. Go figure. Watch you post for insights
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:35 AM   #5
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yup, the mechanic f'ed up putting the clock spring in.
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May want to also check to see if the is a loose ground. Or check the pinouts to make sure the new clock spring matches the old one and the wire harness.
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Old 11-15-2011, 06:48 AM   #7
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thank you for the replies...I think that the mechanic f'ed up too. Luckily I just bought the jeep 3 weeks ago so i still have the warranty and dont have to get crazy myself...yet! I wish i thought to take a video of what was going on when it happened.

thank you very much for the replies. keep them coming if you have any other ideas or suggestions.

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more electrical gremlins stories:

lately, when turning off the ignition, the horn sounds and my alarm sets itself automatically...while i am still sitting in the drivers seat. i like to think my jeep likes me so much that it doesn't want me to leave.

the other weird thing is my directionals. for example, when i signal left, and then return it to its off position, it starts to signal right instead. then i get into this battle of signaling left and right till it final stops.
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more electrical gremlins stories:

lately, when turning off the ignition, the horn sounds and my alarm sets itself automatically...while i am still sitting in the drivers seat. i like to think my jeep likes me so much that it doesn't want me to leave.

the other weird thing is my directionals. for example, when i signal left, and then return it to its off position, it starts to signal right instead. then i get into this battle of signaling left and right till it final stops.
My blinkers do that sometimes. They have this tap feature, forget what it's called. If you try to return it it will signal to the opposite direction. Try Just tapping it once
for either left or right and it will blink 3 times and then shut off. ( I think ) haven't really messed with it.
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the other weird thing is my directionals. for example, when i signal left, and then return it to its off position, it starts to signal right instead. then i get into this battle of signaling left and right till it final stops.
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My blinkers do that sometimes. They have this tap feature, forget what it's called. If you try to return it it will signal to the opposite direction. Try Just tapping it once
for either left or right and it will blink 3 times and then shut off. ( I think ) haven't really messed with it.
That is the one touch lane change "feature". We've had our Jeep for 3 months and my wife usually drives it. In the limited time I've driven it the one touch and I have waged war twice. Once I figured out what it was and learned to just let it do its three blinks and quit it hasn't been as much as a problem. You can turn it off with a Procal. What I would really like to have is a way to make it flash 5 or 7 times instead of three.

OP, it is possible they did something while changing the clock spring, but all Chrysler products for the last 20 years are notorious for random electrical issues. 99% of the time they are caused by a bad body control module. Having changed many clocksprings I can't think of a way you could screw it up and make this happen. The horn, maybe, but not the washers. You may have found and exceptionally "gifted" tech.
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thanks guys. good to know its not a 'real' problem.
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I just spoke with the dealer...

They say that the check engine light is on because of a communication error in the steering column. If that is true then seems like the tech that put the clock spring in screwed something up. In regards to my tranny they said that the throwout bearing seems to need to be replaced and that since they have it apart that they can give me a deal on replacing the clutch...i told them fix it as stated in my warranty contract with your company. If the clutch needs replacing you fix it. so I will update as I get updated.
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I just spoke with the dealer...

They say that the check engine light is on because of a communication error in the steering column. If that is true then seems like the tech that put the clock spring in screwed something up. In regards to my tranny they said that the throwout bearing seems to need to be replaced and that since they have it apart that they can give me a deal on replacing the clutch...i told them fix it as stated in my warranty contract with your company. If the clutch needs replacing you fix it. so I will update as I get updated.
TSB's for clutch issues on 07-08's

TOB and clutch disc. I had a issue that had looked at (creaky pedal) was told to drive and see if it got worse and it did not.

Was given some good advice on here.
Even if you have to pay for a new clutch (parts) and they are in there anyhow-- Do it! Hopefully you will leave with a whole new clutch system. Not just the TOB or disc.
I would do it, shouldn't cost much because they will just replace what's broken. I've heard of the same problems resurfacing so if there going to give you a deal on replacing/fixing the whole thing -
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Clutch discs are rarely covered under any warranty. At 70k miles you will be doing yourself a favor to have them put in a new one while they are in there, maybe even upgrade it.
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I do know about the TOB from chrysler and my discs are doingexactly as stated. I am just trying to see if they will cover it bc I havent even put 300 miles on the jeep and i told them specifically before i picked up the jeep to check the clutch bc it was acting funny and the contract i have with them says clutch repair is covered. in case it doesnt cover it what do you guys think is a reasonable price for the clutch discs?
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Clutch discs are rarely covered under any warranty. At 70k miles you will be doing yourself a favor to have them put in a new one while they are in there, maybe even upgrade it.
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I do know about the TOB from chrysler and my discs are doingexactly as stated. I am just trying to see if they will cover it bc I havent even put 300 miles on the jeep and i told them specifically before i picked up the jeep to check the clutch bc it was acting funny and the contract i have with them says clutch repair is covered. in case it doesnt cover it what do you guys think is a reasonable price for the clutch discs?
It's the labor that kills you.

Since they are going to repair it for you, be nice to upgrade. But I think they will only use OEM parts?

Whole clutch kits are around $250 +/-
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all good to know. thanks everyone. I will be waiting to hear back from the dealer today. I will update.

I do have to say I miss the simplicity of my YJ (hammer, blow torch, a little finesse and problem usually solved. lol
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So i just spoke with the dealer...

They seem to be doing a good job. They found a leaky right rear seal and a problem with a rear bearing and replaced them. They replaced the clutch and a whole laundry list of clutch related parts (dont remember all off hand) so that should be good.

The only that I am curious about is that when I asked them about the electrical they said it was a blown fuse that was caused by static from my key and that they uped the amps of a fuse and cleared the codes and that it should be fine.

They also stated that they opened up the column and retighted everything up and their was no issue there with the clock spring. The only thing he did mention is that the clock spring is noisy and that he has encountered noisy clocksprings before and that he wont change it again bc its new and they do that.

Does that sound right to anyone regarding the clock spring?

Also I remember something along the lines of if check engine codes are just cleared but not fixed when you click the key to that start position but dont start the vehicle and the check engine light stays on after all the other lights turn off there is an issue. Is that correct?

I havent gotten the jeep back yet but I will tomorrow and want to have my bases covered before I go and get it.

As Always thanks in advance.

By the way here is a pic of my jk (the only one from the night i got it. i will take more when i start with the mods
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New guy here wants to know, what a "Clock Spring" is?
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New guy here wants to know, what a "Clock Spring" is?
Found this at another source... same thing though.

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One very common Airbag problem on your Caravan is what's called a "clock spring" which is in the steering column right under the steering wheel. It's called that because it simply looks like a clock spring that winds and unwinds. This is how they could make a positive electrical connection to the airbag and still be able to turn the wheel back and forth.
Luckily, it's a quick and reasonable repair to have it replaced.
Also, you can check it yourself! The horn and cruise control circuits on the steering wheel run through this clock spring too so check to see if the horn and cruise are working. If not, you need a new clock spring for sure!
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I just spoke with the dealer...

They say that the check engine light is on because of a communication error in the steering column. If that is true then seems like the tech that put the clock spring in screwed something up. In regards to my tranny they said that the throwout bearing seems to need to be replaced and that since they have it apart that they can give me a deal on replacing the clutch...i told them fix it as stated in my warranty contract with your company. If the clutch needs replacing you fix it. so I will update as I get updated.
Demand they put the original fuse size back. The wire is sized for that fuse. Putting a larger fuse in will allow for potentially more current then the wire is sized for. The extra current will melt the wire insulation and other wires touching it. They need to figure out exactly why the fuse blew. Static does not blow a fuse. Fuses blow from too much current caused by a component drawing more than intended or a short circuit.
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Demand they put the original fuse size back. The wire is sized for that fuse. Putting a larger fuse in will allow for potentially more current then the wire is sized for. The extra current will melt the wire insulation and other wires touching it. They need to figure out exactly why the fuse blew. Static does not blow a fuse. Fuses blow from too much current caused by a component drawing more than intended or a short circuit.
x2 on this advice!!! Never ever put a higher rated fuse to "fix" an issue. You are asking for trouble.
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i just talked to the services manager and he assured me that they did not do anything with the fuse...i will double check when i get there tonight.

Also anyone know anything about noisy clicksprings?
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So i got it back...New clutch kit, new throw out bearing, new rear right bearing and axle seal, e-brake adjusted, new fluids in tranny, tcase, rearend. Regarding the electrical they took the column apart and tightened the connections. (lets see if that works!)

All seems good drives great now. Now just have to do the rest of the tune up the weekend and Ill be ready to go.

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