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Old 05-13-2013, 12:19 PM   #1
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Equipping a 2013 Sport like a Sahara…Just a few QUICK Questions…

Hi,

I’m just evaluating the packages required to make a Sport like a Sahara. Just a few quick questions…

1) I’m I missing anything?
Quick Order Pkg 23S, Air Conditioning, Power Convenience, Alpine Premium

2) The MSRP difference is $2,010 ($28,890 - $26,880). Besides the painted fenders, is there something I’m missing? Is there anything advantageous with the Sahara that it’s worth putting out the extra $2k? I’m not seeing it.

Besides the painted fenders, there has to be something else, right?

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A very common question on these forums is "Sport S or Sahara"?

There are a few items standard on the Sahara that are not available on the Sport S (auto headlights, 115V outlet, hood insulation, upgraded shocks, AT tires and 18" rims, painted fenders), but it is really more about options that open up (430/730, saddle interior, heated seats, leather, remote start, painted top).

If you are going with black cloth seats, the standard black top, and will eventually swap your wheels.....you are probably better off going with a Sport S, and using that extra cash for other mods. You may end up pulling the standard sidesteps anyway.

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Don't do the Premium Audio. Save the money and spend it on aftermarket sound, which will be far superior.
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Don't do the Premium Audio. Save the money and spend it on aftermarket sound, which will be far superior.
If you plan on swapping out the entire system.....agreed. Use that money for better parts...you will dump the premium speakers, sub, and amp anyway.

However, there are two good reasons for getting the premium system (depending on how you do things).

1. It comes with a 12V socket in the rear.
2. Having the sub enclosure "built into" makes it a bit harder for it to walk away....plus, with it being plastic, you don't really worry about it getting wet. Of course, you are locked into an 8" sub in a small plastic enclosure....so yeah....
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I was in your exact predicament last fall. I went with the Sahara for the following reasons:
Heated Seats (a must in new england, plus they help with back pain all year round)
I wanted the tan/black cloth interior
A/T Tires on the Sahara perform much better in the snow and rain than the ones on the Sport S
Even with the Sport S, if you're going to change up the tires, you'll probably get new wheels too anyway, so the fact that the Sahara is 18" won't matter.

Ultimately I decided that over the course of the loan, the end difference in price was marginal at best, and I would be much happier with having the things i wanted, especially since it was a factory order
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Sahara gets you painted fenders, the silver insert on the bumper, 18 inch wheels, a power inverter, the sub in the back, auto headlights... and I think that's it. No, wait it also includes the plastic side steps and different shocks. You can compare the different trims on Jeep's website.

I bought my Sahara used, if I were buying new I may go with a Sport S. I like the tan interior but it isn't a deal breaker, same with the power inverter, auto headlights and auto AC. The painted fenders, plastic steps and 18" wheels I definitely wouldn't miss.
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Sahara will also get you Satellite radio and side steps, so make sure to add those in when comparing the price difference. Then there is the equipment mentioned above (auto headlights, 115V plug, upgraded suspension, painted flares) that make up the difference. When I was pricing mine, the MSRP difference between a Sport S with Sahara equipment was about $1000, plus it opened up the options I could get, so I went with a Sahara.
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Sahara will also get you Satellite radio and side steps.
A couple thoughts/clarifications:

Sirius is an option in the Sport S. (It may be standard in the Sahara. Don't know.)
I bought side steps on Craigslist for $100.
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Something to consider is that trade in/sell time the NADA value on the Sahara will be significantly more than an equivalently equipped Sport. After a few years most options are no longer considered in that guide.
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If you add in Sirius, Premium Sound and sidesteps (all standard on the Sahara), the MSRP difference is $2065. However, MSRP for the Sahara and Rubi are quite a bit higher (over invoice) than for the Sport. So invoice to invoice....or better yet...3% below invoice to 3% below invoice (often what people pay), the gap is quite a bit smaller.

But what is best for you really depends on what you are going to do with the vehicle. I think a Sport S can be a better buy if you have cash available, plan on doing a littile bit of off-roading, and live near a big city (Craiglist).

Sport S + Ace Rails + take-offs (Rubi wheels, Rubi shocks, and Rubi rock rails rails)

But for how I use it, a Sahara with heated seats made the most sense.
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Don't do the Premium Audio. Save the money and spend it on aftermarket sound, which will be far superior.
I've got the Alpine and must say I love it! Clear, loud as I want it, and the bass drops. I dont know what people are expecting when they talk about getting a superior system. I've had expensive aftermarket systems before. The one in the sahara is just as good unless you are a teenager who needs to wake people a town over.

Also, I like the gas charged shocks that came sandard on my sahara -very smooth ride on the highway.
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I've got the Alpine and must say I love it! Clear, loud as I want it, and the bass drops. I dont know what people are expecting when they talk about getting a superior system. I've had expensive aftermarket systems before. The one in the sahara is just as good unless you are a teenager who needs to wake people a town over.

Also, I like the gas charged shocks that came sandard on my sahara -very smooth ride on the highway.
Well, I guess it's all a matter of opinion. I suspect that if you took a straw poll of people on here with the PA option you'd find yourself in the minority, but I'm happy that it works for you.

The point stands, though. For the $395 that the option costs you can buy an amp and speakers that are far superior to those included in the PA package.
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Something to consider is that trade in/sell time the NADA value on the Sahara will be significantly more than an equivalently equipped Sport. After a few years most options are no longer considered in that guide.
Trade in value is more because the purchase price is higher. There have been threads here before that breaks this down.

While all Wranglers have superior resale value, the best buy has been shown to be the Sport S.

Will as Sahara or Rubicon be worth more at trade in? Sure, because it cost more to begin with.
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Ah, found what I was looking for...

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/res...ku-130110.html

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Here's all of the residuals

2 sport 59
2 saha 58
2 rubi 55

4 sport 57
4 saha 54
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Interesting thread....
After spending all day fighting with a dealer over the trade-in value of the GF's Mazda 6, it occoured to me that I might be going about my pursuit of a JKU all wrong. Instead of fighting over the trade in value of my Libby...I could trade in my old Acura instead....and purchase a 2 door, manual tranny sport (being that they hold their value so well).....and keep my Libby instead.

One other item should be mentioned. If this is based on MSRP, keep in mind that the gap between the invoice price and MSRP is a lot closer on the Sports than on the Saharas and Rubi's.

Example -
2 Door Sport MSRP = $22,045
2 Door Sport invoice = $21,461
Invoice is 97.35% of MSRP

2 Door Sahara MSRP = $27,970
2 Door Sahara invoice = $26,413
Invoice is 94.43% of MSRP

2 Door Rubi MSRP = $29,995
2 Door Rubi invoice = $28,256
Invoice is 94.20% of MSRP

The 4 doors have similar percentages...(but there is some skewing do to the flat $800 destination fee.....and I'm too lazy to back that number out right now).
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Residual is always based off of MSRP. The residuals are for 36 month leases

for 48 months the residual goes down 5 to 8% depending on trim level.

These are for auto tarns as well. You have to deduct 3% for manual trans
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The other addition to the Sahara that has not been mentioned is the extra "sound deadening" materials.

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