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Old 02-08-2012, 11:54 AM   #1
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Esp is a pain

Alright, so I have an 07 jk and the ESP will not shut off. I know that the lift is a primary factory in why it continually goes off but it's killing my brakes.

Any help or ideas on how I can shut it off or remove it completely? The latter would be ideal.

Also, long story short a fuse was taken out to correct the issue but now there is a lag when I start the car of a couple seconds and conversely when I shut it off and remove the key it runs for a couple seconds longer, the clock on my radio does not stay set as well and the dash says no fuse ( surprise surprise )

In closing I've just exacerbated the problem. Ideas and solutions are welcome haha

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Is your steering wheel perfectly centered? If not, that is probably the culprit. If it is centered, then it is probably your axles that are causing the ESP to go off. They may not be centered under the Jeep correctly. Adjustable trackbars (preferable) or new brackets (less preferable) would be the way to fix this correctly.

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The dealer can turn it off permanently.

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Alignment/steering centered #1?
Bad wheel sensor #2
I believe early JK's were know to be overly sensitive to lifts. The steering wheel dance was added to the OM.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:00 PM   #5
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They cannot do this legally. It would be a liability for them if he then died of an accident where the ESP would have helped or prevented it.
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Sweet deal, thanks, I just came back from the shop with an inspection sheet so I can find a good place start my fixin, an alignment is needed so hopefully that will clear it up. And I know the dealer can shut it off but I was hoping there was a do it yourself way off getting rid of it without the dealer trying to screw me into paying them lots o cash. Unless it's relatively inexpensive?
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Also, I find it more dangerous to have the ESP on when I'm going around a turn the damn thing kicks on and I've almost lost steering because of it and this was doing the posted limit.

I drove humvees etc in combat and have training on defensive and offensive driving, for my needs it inhibits my abilities as a driver and I haven't been off road since the problem started, im not irresponsible as a driver if thats how it sounds but frankly I'm afraid to even try cause I feel it may cause me to overturn the vehicle since I don't have full control
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Sweet deal, thanks, I just came back from the shop with an inspection sheet so I can find a good place start my fixin, an alignment is needed so hopefully that will clear it up. And I know the dealer can shut it off but I was hoping there was a do it yourself way off getting rid of it without the dealer trying to screw me into paying them lots o cash. Unless it's relatively inexpensive?
The dealer cannot and will not turn off your ESP or disable it.
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If your ESP is kicking in it is the fault of your lift and your alignment. You need to fix this.
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If your ESP is kicking in it is the fault of your lift and your alignment. You need to fix this.
Yes sir..

My ESP has only gone off once, and that was after the lift install. Our first attempt at re-centering the steering and the ESP was triggered.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:35 PM   #11
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I always just turn mine off, as soon as I get off-road/or when anticipating "twisty" roads !!



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^ Looks a bit chilly where you are.
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Heh Heh, yeah that was at about 11:00 AM to-



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alright then guys, thanks for the info, so bottom line is adjust the alignment and fix the suspension and all should be well. i really hate that esp feature, i wish falling on the ground while flailing and screaming was acceptable at my age so i could go to the dealer and do just that! great pics btw, i need to get going on this. seattle just had almost a foot of snow in some areas and i missed all of it haha
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alright then guys, thanks for the info, so bottom line is adjust the alignment and fix the suspension and all should be well. i really hate that esp feature, i wish falling on the ground while flailing and screaming was acceptable at my age so i could go to the dealer and do just that! great pics btw, i need to get going on this. seattle just had almost a foot of snow in some areas and i missed all of it haha
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Old 02-08-2012, 04:00 PM   #16
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You can permanently turn it off with the steering wheel dance. It's relatively quick and easy. I always turn it off when we get snow so that I can play in it. The light like Jimbo's will show up, but that's it. IIRC, some early JK's didn't allow the steering wheel dance, but I think they can be flashed to allow it.
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They cannot do this legally. It would be a liability for them if he then died of an accident where the ESP would have helped or prevented it.
Uh sure. This country is full of alarmists.

It was something offered in '07 before the '08s or '09s (I believe) got the 5-second "full-off" and the real "full-off" feature. I had it done years ago on our '07 and his '07 is eligible for the software update.

My notes show the bulletin number as Jeep #05-001-08.

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Read this for a great explanation of ESP and the process from a former Jeep employee. It also describes the hokey pokey dance for vehicles that can't use the service bulletin I quoted above:

'07-Present Wrangler's Control System - ESP Off - Jp Magazine

BTW, Jcolebank, I do agree with the others that you need a straight steering wheel and proper alignment. What lift do you have? Long arm kits on the '07s were less susceptible than short arm kits. 4-inches also seems to be the sweet spot, anything over and ESP freaks out a lot more readily.

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@Sean it's a 4" pro comp (not by choice, long story) but from everything I gather 4" and above seems to be a huge stress factor and very problematic unless the parts are put on correctly.

I'm thinking either teralfex or rubicon express 3.5" long arm suspension will be a good change, at this point I figure Starting over with the suspension seems logical.

The shop it was taken to messed everything up, to sum it up the owner closed up shop and bailed on like 100k in credit card fraud.
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Oh man, so sorry to hear that. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence that the kit was installed correctly. Nothing inherently wrong with the Pro Comp stuff, as a bad install can mess up any kit.

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Yeah it definitely brought me down as far as having faith in pro comp but it's all at the fault of a dirty business so maybe one day I'll try pro comp again but for now I'm going to see what else is out there.
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You can permanently turn it off with the steering wheel dance. It's relatively quick and easy. I always turn it off when we get snow so that I can play in it. The light like Jimbo's will show up, but that's it. IIRC, some early JK's didn't allow the steering wheel dance, but I think they can be flashed to allow it.

I keep reading about this "Dance"....but can't seem to find out how to exactly do it. I just got the AEV Module and programmed 35's checked the center and it was all good, but the dam ESP still kicked on as soon as I went around a turn. I love the jeep and really don't want to trade it in considering dropping $7grand on accessories in the last 6 months....Can you point me in the right direction to complete the steering wheel dance??
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I keep reading about this "Dance"....but can't seem to find out how to exactly do it. I just got the AEV Module and programmed 35's checked the center and it was all good, but the dam ESP still kicked on as soon as I went around a turn. I love the jeep and really don't want to trade it in considering dropping $7grand on accessories in the last 6 months....Can you point me in the right direction to complete the steering wheel dance??
Before you do the dance, have you made sure that your steering wheel is perfectly centered? How about the axles? Are they centered under the Jeep. Either of those can cause the ESP to kick on.
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I'm no mechanic by any means but when I plugged in the aev module it "read" centered...How can I check the axle alignment?
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you can send a pm to green-machine, or google "abs/esp disable jk". should find some useful writeups for adding a manual override switch for the electronics. do at your own risk
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I'm no mechanic by any means but when I plugged in the aev module it "read" centered...How can I check the axle alignment?
Check?

All the Procal does is help you canter the steering by giving you a visual.
You still might have to adjust the drag link if the steering is not centered..

With your tires pointed strait, Is the steering wheel strait also?

Toe in -is the only adjustment on our jeep that can be made.

Camber can't be adjusted.

caster can't be adjusted unless you have adjustable LCA's or UCA's.
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you can send a pm to green-machine, or google "abs/esp disable jk". should find some useful writeups for adding a manual override switch for the electronics. do at your own risk
no need to pm me,, here you go, http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/abs...res-87119.html
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Thanks. How many times have you had to post this? ha. I'm going to have to try it...I have to. I did just try that "wheel" dance about 30 times but I'm pretty sure it doesn't work on a 2011.
I could care less about abs. we did fine without it before. Should be the same wire on 2011?
Really appreciate it, doubt you care and you probably already know but i will let you know the results this weekend when i do it.
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They cannot do this legally. It would be a liability for them if he then died of an accident where the ESP would have helped or prevented it.
I thought he was talking about you lol
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I thought he was talking about you lol
Same lol

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