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Old 09-09-2012, 03:49 PM   #91
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Ahh... Been there

Post locally. I always offer help in CT

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I have the AEV 2.5" lift with geometry correction brackets and Bilstein 5100's. I love this lift, it handles so much better than stock and smooth as silk. I have the AEV tire carrier but stock bumpers and I gained 4" in front and 3" in back with the addition of 35" tires also. Its a little bit of a step up but the Sahara steps I added work great for $200. AEV installed this lift for $1400 which included the procal module and their jack base for changing a tire. Lift alone was $899, Procal is $150 and jack base is $50 if ordered seperatly. So for $301 dollars they installed the lift.

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I have the AEV 2.5" lift with geometry correction brackets and Bilstein 5100's. I love this lift, it handles so much better than stock and smooth as silk. I have the AEV tire carrier but stock bumpers and I gained 4" in front and 3" in back with the addition of 35" tires also. Its a little bit of a step up but the Sahara steps I added work great for $200. AEV installed this lift for $1400 which included the procal module and their jack base for changing a tire. Lift alone was $899, Procal is $150 and jack base is $50 if ordered seperatly. So for $301 dollars they installed the lift.
My dealership, an AEV authorized reseller, wants to charge me almost $1000 just to install the same lift before I take delivery... they want over $2000 total. I wish I lived closer to AEV itself!
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My dealership, an AEV authorized reseller, wants to charge me almost $1000 just to install the same lift before I take delivery... they want over $2000 total. I wish I lived closer to AEV itself!
Or you could install yourself for free
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Or you could install yourself for free
That's actually what I'm leaning towards. I don't have tools or a garage, though, so I'm going to need to put out a call for some help in my area. (I've also never done it before, so I'll need to find a mentor!)

I'm in Northern VA, so hopefully tomorrow close by will answer my cry for help! LOL
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AEV just yesterday quoted me $1765 to install this lift as an FYI...looks like price went up on install.
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That's actually what I'm leaning towards. I don't have tools or a garage, though, so I'm going to need to put out a call for some help in my area. (I've also never done it before, so I'll need to find a mentor!)

I'm in Northern VA, so hopefully tomorrow close by will answer my cry for help! LOL
Yep.... Just post local and ask. I just offered my help but he's 3-4 hrs out
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I'm revisiting this thread because I'm getting close to making my lift decision. I've been comparing the costs and features of the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift and the Rock Krawler 2.5" Flex coil lift. I ruled out the RK Max Travel because in the eventuality of a driveshaft replacement the Max Travel doesn't address pinion adjustment like the X Factor can, and the Flex can upgrade to the X Factor easier than the Max Travel. The X Factor is a bit beyond my needs and budget currently. Therefore, I'm only deciding between the RK Flex and Teraflex kits.

While comparing the RK Flex and the Teraflex kits, I noticed a couple of differences that stood out to me:

1) Brake Line Modifications: The RK Flex comes with replacement front brake lines and nothing to address the rear brake lines, which they said don't need any modification with this kit. The Teraflex kit comes with an extension bracket for the rear brake likes and nothing for the front, which they said are long enough stock if you remove them from the brake line bracket in front. Why the contradiction?

2) Sway Bar Links: The RK Flex doesn't come with longer rear sway bar links. They said that the stock links work fine with this kit. The Teraflex comes with longer rear sway bar links which they said are needed with this kit. Why the contradiction?

The RK Flex is actually coming in a little cheaper because I'd have to add more components to the Teraflex kit to be happy with it (JKS adjustable front track bar, quick discos, and spring guides since I won't be using their shocks). On top of that the RK Flex comes with front lca's and the Teraflex doesn't. I'm less worried about excess lift with the RK then I was previously since I'm adding some serious weight (bumpers, winch, skids, sliders, etc.)

I'm starting to lean towards the RK Flex the more I analyze this comparison.

Any thoughts on those contradictions?
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I'm revisiting this thread because I'm getting close to making my lift decision. I've been comparing the costs and features of the Teraflex 2.5" coil lift and the Rock Krawler 2.5" Flex coil lift. I ruled out the RK Max Travel because in the eventuality of a driveshaft replacement the Max Travel doesn't address pinion adjustment like the X Factor can, and the Flex can upgrade to the X Factor easier than the Max Travel. The X Factor is a bit beyond my needs and budget currently. Therefore, I'm only deciding between the RK Flex and Teraflex kits.

While comparing the RK Flex and the Teraflex kits, I noticed a couple of differences that stood out to me:

1) Brake Line Modifications: The RK Flex comes with replacement front brake lines and nothing to address the rear brake lines, which they said don't need any modification with this kit. The Teraflex kit comes with an extension bracket for the rear brake likes and nothing for the front, which they said are long enough stock if you remove them from the brake line bracket in front. Why the contradiction? Go with the RK kit and just add in another pair of extended lines. They're good quality (can't recall the brand) and it sort of "future proofs" any lift plans down the road. My Max Travel kit came with front and rears, and I'm glad it did. The stockers just don't seem long enough to me. At least not to instill any confidence in them while articulating the suspension.

2) Sway Bar Links: The RK Flex doesn't come with longer rear sway bar links. They said that the stock links work fine with this kit. The Teraflex comes with longer rear sway bar links which they said are needed with this kit. Why the contradiction? Move the OEM front sway bar links to the rear when you install the RK links in the front.

The RK Flex is actually coming in a little cheaper because I'd have to add more components to the Teraflex kit to be happy with it (JKS adjustable front track bar, quick discos, and spring guides since I won't be using their shocks). On top of that the RK Flex comes with front lca's and the Teraflex doesn't. I'm less worried about excess lift with the RK then I was previously since I'm adding some serious weight (bumpers, winch, skids, sliders, etc.)

I'm starting to lean towards the RK Flex the more I analyze this comparison.

Any thoughts on those contradictions?
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Contradictions is all about who you ask... Thats why their are contradictions.

Does the rear sway bar links matter that they are to short? No, not really, because the rear sway bar is so thin and flexible it will probably do more for the ride than it will off road.

Brake lines, the stock brake lines are long enough if you unclip them. This actually probably will come down to how long the extended down travel are on the shocks more than anything.

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Thanks very much for the responses. It sounds like those discrepancies are non-issues.

I'm really leaning towards the RK Flex, because it works out to be a tiny bit cheaper and has adjustable front lca's. One last hurdle though, and I've seen it discussed on the forum a few times, shock length with the RK 2.5" coil lifts. I'm probably going to go with the Bilstein 5100s because they are a quality shock at a price within my budget. I haven't ruled out Fox, but that is starting to stretch my budget too much, so I doubt I'll go with them.

RK website recommends these Bilstein shocks: Front - BE5-E578-HO, Rear - BE5-E671-HO, but I can't find a match for those part numbers!

What I am finding are these Bilstein part numbers:

24-146708 Front Shock 2-3.5" lift
24-186872 Front Shock 4-5" lift
24-146715 Rear Shock 2-3.5" lift
33-186887 Rear Shock 4-5" lift

RK also lists acceptable shock lengths on their website, but I haven't been able to find the specifications for the Bilstein 5100 to try to match them.

I know RK lifts can end up tall on 2 door JKs, but I'm planning a lot of heavy mods to my jeep, so hopefully it won't be excessively tall. I don't expect it to be in the 4-5" range. The 2.5-3.5" range is more likely.

I've read a few recommendations to go with the longer shocks and add spring retainer clips. RK has clips on their website but only for the bottom of the front springs. If I go with the longer shocks, will I need rear spring retainer clips also? Do I only need clips on the bottom of the springs or do I need them on top too?

Thanks very much.

(The RK techs are at a show in Vegas, and I've already bothered them once today, so I'm relying on WF for a little more information)
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Thanks very much for the responses. It sounds like those discrepancies are non-issues.

I'm really leaning towards the RK Flex, because it works out to be a tiny bit cheaper and has adjustable front lca's. One last hurdle though, and I've seen it discussed on the forum a few times, shock length with the RK 2.5" coil lifts. I'm probably going to go with the Bilstein 5100s because they are a quality shock at a price within my budget. I haven't ruled out Fox, but that is starting to stretch my budget too much, so I doubt I'll go with them.

RK website recommends these Bilstein shocks: Front - BE5-E578-HO, Rear - BE5-E671-HO, but I can't find a match for those part numbers!

What I am finding are these Bilstein part numbers:

24-146708 Front Shock 2-3.5" lift
24-186872 Front Shock 4-5" lift
24-146715 Rear Shock 2-3.5" lift
33-186887 Rear Shock 4-5" lift

RK also lists acceptable shock lengths on their website, but I haven't been able to find the specifications for the Bilstein 5100 to try to match them.

I know RK lifts can end up tall on 2 door JKs, but I'm planning a lot of heavy mods to my jeep, so hopefully it won't be excessively tall. I don't expect it to be in the 4-5" range. The 2.5-3.5" range is more likely. I'd contact Jason at KrawlOff-Road.com on the specifics of the shocks and their respective lengths. Since he's ordering these things all day long I'm sure he has an up-to-date reference sheet with appropriate part numbers.

I've read a few recommendations to go with the longer shocks and add spring retainer clips. RK has clips on their website but only for the bottom of the front springs. If I go with the longer shocks, will I need rear spring retainer clips also? Do I only need clips on the bottom of the springs or do I need them on top too? Go with the RK front retainer clips and and cheap DIY method for the rears. You don't need any retainers on the tops of either the front or back.

Here's the recommended DIY option for the rear. Pick up a couple worm drive pipe clamps. Weave them under the lower rear spring perch and around the springs.



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RK list 27" front and 26" rear extended lengths.

Might want to consider rear uppers as well. Will help the driveshaft angle some,
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Thanks for the info Kramer2k!

Jason will definitely be my source for the parts, so I think I'll take you up on the suggestion of giving him a call for help with the shock lengths. Ingenious DIY rear retainers too! Thanks again
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RK list 27" front and 26" rear extended lengths.

Might want to consider rear uppers as well. Will help the driveshaft angle some,
Thanks for your input kjeeper10. My problem is that I can't find the extended lengths for the Bilsteins. Rear uppers will almost certainly be my first addition to the RK Flex, but unfortunately I can't swing them at the same time. I've been trying hard to find a way to do it all at once, but I'm afraid some things like those will have to wait a little bit.
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In terms of the brake lines, the front replacement lines that RK sends out are actually the same length as the stock lines. At least that was the case during the last RK pro max kit I did on a 2013 JKUR. I thought for sure that they were longer, but was shocked when I put them side-by-side to confirm that they are the same length. Whatever you decide to do, you do need to remove the lines from the lower bracket and zip tie them out of the way.

In terms of install, I have said this before. The RK kits are very high quality parts but have the absolute worst set of instructions. Its one set of instructions for ALL of their kits which means skipping several steps that might not pertain to you but even that is vague sometimes and the instructions/photos are horrible to begin with. Overall the instructions were useless, using this forum and other we were able to piece things together. I haven't done an AEV kit yet, but I feel that its probably a more thought out product.

Also, if your considering between Bilsteins and FOX, I can tell you that the FOX set up is much firmer. It felts like a more stable ride but you can definitely notice the difference between the two.

Finally, I don't know where your located but if your in the NY area, once we get everything cleaned up, let me know and I could probably help you out with the install. Good luck.
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In terms of the brake lines, the front replacement lines that RK sends out are actually the same length as the stock lines. At least that was the case during the last RK pro max kit I did on a 2013 JKUR. I thought for sure that they were longer, but was shocked when I put them side-by-side to confirm that they are the same length. Whatever you decide to do, you do need to remove the lines from the lower bracket and zip tie them out of the way.

In terms of install, I have said this before. The RK kits are very high quality parts but have the absolute worst set of instructions. Its one set of instructions for ALL of their kits which means skipping several steps that might not pertain to you but even that is vague sometimes and the instructions/photos are horrible to begin with. Overall the instructions were useless, using this forum and other we were able to piece things together. I haven't done an AEV kit yet, but I feel that its probably a more thought out product.

Also, if your considering between Bilsteins and FOX, I can tell you that the FOX set up is much firmer. It felts like a more stable ride but you can definitely notice the difference between the two.

Finally, I don't know where your located but if your in the NY area, once we get everything cleaned up, let me know and I could probably help you out with the install. Good luck.
fox's are firmer than the Bilsteins ?
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Yes. Noticeably. The jeep I installed the FOX shocks on was a Rubicon and you simply coasting you can feel the tire tread much more than in my stock Rubicon. Some would consider a firmer suspension a positive. It felt much more responsive than the Bilsteins so it's up to you.
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be careful on the shock travel if youre concerned with replacing your front drive shaft.
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It's easy to check to see if your drive shaft will make contact with the exhaust crossover during offroad articulation. On a level surface, jack the Jeep up and place jack stands under the frame rails behind the front tires. Disconnect your front sway bar links and let the front axle fully droop without the tires touching the ground. If the front drive shaft doesn't hit...great. If it rests on the exhaust crossover, modifications will be needed.
I did this test (actually on a lift) and found out at full extension the drive shaft plastic boot does make contact and rest on the exhaust crossover. Details, Teraflex response and photos are in post #4 here:
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My dealership, an AEV authorized reseller, wants to charge me almost $1000 just to install the same lift before I take delivery... they want over $2000 total. I wish I lived closer to AEV itself!
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AEV just yesterday quoted me $1765 to install this lift as an FYI...looks like price went up on install.
I am going to assume that price includes the lift. They may have gone up since July 2012 when I had mine installed there. Talk to Brad Schicke he will hook you up.
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Thanks very much for the responses. It sounds like those discrepancies are non-issues.

I'm really leaning towards the RK Flex, because it works out to be a tiny bit cheaper and has adjustable front lca's. One last hurdle though, and I've seen it discussed on the forum a few times, shock length with the RK 2.5" coil lifts. I'm probably going to go with the Bilstein 5100s because they are a quality shock at a price within my budget. I haven't ruled out Fox, but that is starting to stretch my budget too much, so I doubt I'll go with them.

RK website recommends these Bilstein shocks: Front - BE5-E578-HO, Rear - BE5-E671-HO, but I can't find a match for those part numbers!

What I am finding are these Bilstein part numbers:

24-146708 Front Shock 2-3.5" lift
24-186872 Front Shock 4-5" lift
24-146715 Rear Shock 2-3.5" lift
33-186887 Rear Shock 4-5" lift

RK also lists acceptable shock lengths on their website, but I haven't been able to find the specifications for the Bilstein 5100 to try to match them.

I know RK lifts can end up tall on 2 door JKs, but I'm planning a lot of heavy mods to my jeep, so hopefully it won't be excessively tall. I don't expect it to be in the 4-5" range. The 2.5-3.5" range is more likely.

I've read a few recommendations to go with the longer shocks and add spring retainer clips. RK has clips on their website but only for the bottom of the front springs. If I go with the longer shocks, will I need rear spring retainer clips also? Do I only need clips on the bottom of the springs or do I need them on top too?

Thanks very much.

(The RK techs are at a show in Vegas, and I've already bothered them once today, so I'm relying on WF for a little more information)
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Thanks for that link. I've talked to Rock Krawler about this again this week. Bilstein changed their part numbers. The RK website and the quoted link are the old part numbers. I've found the new equivalents:

Front Shocks 3.5-5" short arm: New # 24-186995, Old #F4-BE5-E587-HO
Rear Shocks 2": New # 24-146715, Old # F4-BE5-E671-HO

So in actuality, RK only recommends the longer shock up front. Their spring retainer clips would be good insurance to keep them in place. They aren't as important in the back with the shorter shock. RK said the rear longer shocks would provide too much travel and the springs could possibly fall out of the top perch. I'll probably use some worm drive hose clamps on the lower rear coils just in case.

So I've made my decision. I ordered the RK 2.5" Flex system. It should be here sometime next week. I haven't ordered the shocks yet. I also need to get the front spring retainer clips and an exhaust spacer kit.
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Hey guys so I've been reading a lot on lifts for quite some time, and have decided to go with the TeraFlex 2.5" kit for my JKU.
The lift I have in mind is this one with Blistein shocks for front and rear.

My question is will I need to do anything to the drive shaft and/or exhaust? I've read that with a 2.5" lift, the drive shaft shouldn't require any adaptations, and installing exhaust spacers is likely not required. But apparently some lifts (namely the Rock Krawler kits) come with more lift than was intended (1-1.5" more) and that causes problems for the drive shaft and exhaust. Does the TF kit have the same issues?

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I also need to get the front spring retainer clips and an exhaust spacer kit.
Front spring retainer clips? Am I gonna need those?

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