Factory half metal doors and fit with tops - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 07-21-2011, 02:38 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 26
Factory half metal doors and fit with tops

After searching the archives I couldn't find what I was looking for, so here are some questions regarding tops and doors, thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

Background: I am looking to buy a new 2012 Wrangler Unlimited, live in Northern CA and will use the jeep for mostly road use, including heading to Tahoe for summer and winter ski trips. My questions are:

1. I like the look of the factory half metal doors, but if I buy a JKU with them do they work/seal with the factory hard top. In the winter will there be issues with the 1/2 door seal on the factory hard top? What goes on the top half of the door where the window would normally be?

2. Does the factory sunrider soft top fit snugly around the half doors, so that I can use it on the freeway without terrible wind noise?

3. Does Bestop or others make an alternative soft top that fits better to the half metal doors?

4. Does Bestop or others make an alternative half door that could be used in the summer, using the factory full metal doors in the winter?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Larry Link is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-21-2011, 02:43 PM   #2
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
After searching the archives I couldn't find what I was looking for, so here are some questions regarding tops and doors, thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

Background: I am looking to buy a new 2012 Wrangler Unlimited, live in Northern CA and will use the jeep for mostly road use, including heading to Tahoe for summer and winter ski trips. My questions are:

1. I like the look of the factory half metal doors, but if I buy a JKU with them do they work/seal with the factory hard top. In the winter will there be issues with the 1/2 door seal on the factory hard top? What goes on the top half of the door where the window would normally be?
they won't work with the hard top.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
2. Does the factory sunrider soft top fit snugly around the half doors, so that I can use it on the freeway without terrible wind noise?
They fit well, but will be noisier than full doors. The upper part is the same material as the soft top and the windows are vinyl that have a zipper to open and close.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
3. Does Bestop or others make an alternative soft top that fits better to the half metal doors?
Bestop makes the OEM top. There are altenatives, but I don't think they would necessarily fit better.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
4. Does Bestop or others make an alternative half door that could be used in the summer, using the factory full metal doors in the winter?
Yes, they do!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
Thanks in advance for your help.
You're very welcome. Welcome to WF.

__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-21-2011, 02:51 PM   #3
Marine Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
tysalem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,399
Well I would say Tom covered everything! Welcome to the forum!
__________________
So it's been, and shall be weighed: though many are born, few are "made". Faithful Always, they shall remain, dogs to loose when war is waged.
tysalem is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-21-2011, 08:20 PM   #4
Jeeper
 
InfernoGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Newburgh IN
Posts: 11,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
they won't work with the hard top.
Why would they not?????
__________________

Dirty Mudder column covers|

'01 Wrangler Sport, Sienna Pearl Mine
'07 Rubicon 2D, Flame Red His
'11 Wrangler Sport 4D, Black Ours...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
Not every girl, is a Jeep girl. We're a special breed.
InfernoGirl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 02:19 AM   #5
Marine Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
tysalem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 5,399
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfernoGirl

Why would they not?????
I'm pretty sure most half doors are set up to work with door surrounds, to create a pretty tight fit. I'm guessing with a hard top the fit would not be as tight.
__________________
So it's been, and shall be weighed: though many are born, few are "made". Faithful Always, they shall remain, dogs to loose when war is waged.
tysalem is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 06:03 AM   #6
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfernoGirl View Post
Why would they not?????
Techncally you could make then work, but his question was with the seals. They would be very noisy and chances are good they would leak.
__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 08:54 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
sparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Phila
Posts: 1,917
Quote:
Originally Posted by tysalem View Post
I'm pretty sure most half doors are set up to work with door surrounds, to create a pretty tight fit. I'm guessing with a hard top the fit would not be as tight.
Don't the hardtops have the same contour as the door surrounds. Actually all doors of the same year, would have the same contour, should be full compatability; hard/soft doors, hard/soft top.

Nosier, some maybe, should not leak.
sparky is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 09:20 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
InfernoGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Newburgh IN
Posts: 11,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
After searching the archives I couldn't find what I was looking for, so here are some questions regarding tops and doors, thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge.

Background: I am looking to buy a new 2012 Wrangler Unlimited, live in Northern CA and will use the jeep for mostly road use, including heading to Tahoe for summer and winter ski trips. My questions are:

1. I like the look of the factory half metal doors, but if I buy a JKU with them do they work/seal with the factory hard top. In the winter will there be issues with the 1/2 door seal on the factory hard top? What goes on the top half of the door where the window would normally be?

Typically half doors are sold with soft tops, but this doesn't mean that you can't use half doors with a hard top. The uppers of half doors are soft with zippered plastic windows.

2. Does the factory sunrider soft top fit snugly around the half doors, so that
I can use it on the freeway without terrible wind noise?

Soft tops use door surrounds for the soft uppers or full doors to close against making it virtually the same as a hard top. Soft uppers have some flexibility to them that hard doors won't have, and do produce a bit more noise.

3. Does Bestop or others make an alternative soft top that fits better to the half metal doors?

Bestop makes both the factory top and their own aftermarket tops, the fit will be identical.

4. Does Bestop or others make an alternative half door that could be used in the summer, using the factory full metal doors in the winter?

Yes, Bestop and others make aftermarket half doors.

Thanks in advance for your help.
There seems to be some confusion going on here.....
__________________

Dirty Mudder column covers|

'01 Wrangler Sport, Sienna Pearl Mine
'07 Rubicon 2D, Flame Red His
'11 Wrangler Sport 4D, Black Ours...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
Not every girl, is a Jeep girl. We're a special breed.
InfernoGirl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 10:15 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 98
The door surounds for the half doors are just like the ones for full doors. I had an 07 with full doors and a 10 with 1/2 s. The hard top makes the seal without door surounds. I have seen a jk running a hardtop with half doors before. If you are worried about wind noise I can tell you the upper soft windows are louder than full doors in the winter. It's a compromise but for me having the uppers out with the top down makes it worth it.
rvator is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 10:19 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 98
The best way to get half doors is order them with your new jeep. If you want a full door set too look for them used. There is a higher percentage of JK's getting wrecked with full doors than half doors.
rvator is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 11:36 AM   #11
Jeeper
 
InfernoGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Newburgh IN
Posts: 11,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by rvator View Post
The best way to get half doors is order them with your new jeep. If you want a full door set too look for them used. There is a higher percentage of JK's getting wrecked with full doors than half doors.
Very good advice Halfs on a JK are very few and far between....
__________________

Dirty Mudder column covers|

'01 Wrangler Sport, Sienna Pearl Mine
'07 Rubicon 2D, Flame Red His
'11 Wrangler Sport 4D, Black Ours...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate View Post
Not every girl, is a Jeep girl. We're a special breed.
InfernoGirl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 12:05 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 48
Half doors work perfectly with the hard top - the surrounds seal with the various tops, not the actual doors. You just cannot order a hard top and half-doors together from the factory.

Although there are aftermarket alternatives, the factory half-doors and uppers are MUCH higher quality and have the aftermarket price tag from MOPAR to match. If you have **ANY** interest in half-doors, the thing to do is order them from the factory when you order the jeep. You will have NO trouble trading with others for fulls down the road if you want - they are a much sought after item on JK's of all types.
Adkjeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 02:21 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 26
Thanks for all the replies and advice. Given that I will be taking the Jeep to Tahoe in the winter for a few trips, I really want the factory hardtop when running around in the cold and snow. It sounds like half doors can only be ordered from the factory with the soft top, so the choices are:

1. Order factory half metal doors with the sunrider soft top. Source a hard top and full doors used or Mopar (expensive)

2. Order the hardtop and full doors from the factory. Source the half doors aftermarket (Bestop) or Mopar (expensive).

I guess option 2 will ultimately be less expensive if I go the Bestop half door route, but will investigate the costs. I'll run them on the Jeep for 1/2 the year, and then swap to the full doors and hardtop in the winter.
Larry Link is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 02:25 PM   #14
MTH
Jeeper
 
MTH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 8,553
If it matters at all, just be aware that the soft top is in fact a legitimate year round top for all climates. Many of the members here go through plenty of New England winters with just the soft top. The heater in the JKs is brutal and there is no issue with warmth.

So there is a third option: Order factory full metal doors with the factory soft top. Add half doors aftermarket through Bestop or Rampage.
__________________
Mike
2010 JKU "Mountain" Edition
TeraFlex 2.5" Coil Lift : Old Man Emu Nitrocharger Shocks : 33x12.5R15 Goodyear DuraTracs : 15x8 Black Rock 909s : Other Stuff . . .
MTH is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 02:39 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
jclayJK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: WA
Posts: 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Link View Post
Thanks for all the replies and advice. Given that I will be taking the Jeep to Tahoe in the winter for a few trips, I really want the factory hardtop when running around in the cold and snow. It sounds like half doors can only be ordered from the factory with the soft top, so the choices are:

1. Order factory half metal doors with the sunrider soft top. Source a hard top and full doors used or Mopar (expensive)

2. Order the hardtop and full doors from the factory. Source the half doors aftermarket (Bestop) or Mopar (expensive).

I guess option 2 will ultimately be less expensive if I go the Bestop half door route, but will investigate the costs. I'll run them on the Jeep for 1/2 the year, and then swap to the full doors and hardtop in the winter.

I had this same issue when trying to decide what to order for my 2012 JK. I settled on option 2 with the dual top group. I'll get the color match hard top and full doors from the factory, then I will splurge on the half doors next spring after using the full doors and hard top this winter. That's the plan anyway. Hopefully will have a winter/summer setup from then on out.
__________________
2012 JK Sahara
Sahara Tan
Auto 3.73
jclayJK is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 02:50 PM   #16
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
Can you order the half doors with the dual top option?
__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 03:00 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: League City (Houston) TX
Posts: 916
Factory halfs are the ONLY way to go..I love mine
clear lake jeepn is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 03:03 PM   #18
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
I know that many people love them, but I have no use for them. Doorless is the way to go!
__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 03:49 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Can you order the half doors with the dual top option?
Unfortunately, no - I have written directly to Jeep to request this - a dual top AND door package. You can only get half doors on Sport/Rubicon and on Sport only without the S package, which makes sense as most of the S package is power options, that don't work with half doors anyway.

The half-doors do fine in even the harshest winters. The only issue with soft top in snow is if you park outside all the time in mountain areas and let a foot or more build up on the top. Then it can sag. Otherwise, it is just as robust in the winter.

It really boils down to how much you want to spend (more tops) and if you want to be topless as much as possible.

As far as half-doors vs. doorless, the advantage is that you can get "almost doorless" and still travel,/take the uppers with you and take the uppers off in seconds for a "trip to the store". Also come in handy if you are going to get rain later in the day (on the way home from work) but the morning is clear. It gives you more choices.

I guess if you never travel and live somewhere you can leave the doors off almost all the time, doorless makes a lot of sense. For those of us with four distinct seasons, the half-doors offer a lot more flexibility.
Adkjeep is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 04:00 PM   #20
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
Have you considered soft doors?
__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 10:28 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 98
Order soft top with halts and find a used hard top. I see them in my area all the time for 1200 or so. Jk soft tops are much better than they were on TJ s. I would never want a hard top.
rvator is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-22-2011, 11:30 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
IowaRaider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 537
Quote:
Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Have you considered soft doors?
That's what I am getting, figure I'll throw them in the back and can put them on if I need to go somewhere in the rain. As long as no one steals them I should be good to go.

__________________
2012 Wrangler Bright Silver Sport S 6 spd
IowaRaider is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Download our Mobile App

» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:54 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC