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Old 11-16-2012, 01:09 AM   #1
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Fighting a weight problem....

Ok guys, I have a question for those of you with some seriously porky Jeeps. The JKU comes in at over 4000lbs. Add bumpers, a tire carrier, gerry cans, skid plates, a roof rack, a winch, lighting, and you are looking at 5000lbs. How are you combating weight? Is a gear change worth it to regain some "power?" Do you just live with it? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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I'm running 37's (along with bumpers, roof rack and heavier axles) and 5.13 gearing. I can maintain right around 15 on the highway if I stay at 65.
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It's the nature of the beast. Four wheeling tends to require equipment and that equipment is made out of steel. Winches, skid plates, bumpers, trail racks, etc. all pack on the pounds. Larger tires and wheels don't help with the weight problem.

Jeeps themselves have gained weight over time. Airbags, air conditioning, 2 extra doors, mandated engine controls and safety equipment, etc. The sheet metal has thinned out, but it doesn't help enough.

A bare-bones JK with as much gutted from it as reasonable; along with carefully selected parts and accessories would be the way to go. Either that or go the sand rail route?
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Will adding 4.10s to my 3.21 equipped 2012 JKU Sahara help regain some gogo you think? I only want to regear if it would help.
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I don't know if it will help, but if you're going to regear, you may as well go higher... just in case you convince yourself you need bigger tires! Only do it once! :P
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5000 lbs!!! I wish. Mine comes in right under 6k when I have all my spare parts and fluids in it. I get 14/15mpg on the highway. Let me tell you all that extra weight is something I have to keep in mind when decided what line I want to try .
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I don't know if it will help, but if you're going to regear, you may as well go higher... just in case you convince yourself you need bigger tires! Only do it once! :P
I don't think I'd want anything higher than 4.10s in a 2012. If I lived in Colorado and got 37" tires, maybe, but living in NJ where my Jeep spends 99% of it's life on Tarmac, I think anything more would be almost a motorbike.
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Crossing my fingers that these asshats come out with the turbo diesel but sadly it may not come The hemi is just too much damn money. I would do the AEV swap (25K right?) if they gave me 15K for my current brand new 3.6+tranny. They can charge the 3.8L folks 8k for a 3.6 swap
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Crossing my fingers that these asshats come out with the turbo diesel but sadly it may not come The hemi is just too much damn money. I would do the AEV swap (25K right?) if they gave me 15K for my current brand new 3.6+tranny. They can charge the 3.8L folks 8k for a 3.6 swap
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Let's see.....maybe don't add a bunch of useless weight?

Bumpers--stay small, light and tight. I don't understand some of the massive hunks of steel on the market these days. With aluminum and minimalist steel bumpers available, look at those options.

Tire carrier--there are some slick tub-mounted versions available that don't weigh much. And contrary to what so many people seem to think, you don't always need a spare. I don't carry one on the road or the trail. I'd rather carry my small patch kit and my AAA card (last resort) than a 100 lb spare.

Gerry cans--WHY? Is the stock tank not large enough for you?

Skid plates--aluminum. No, it won't crush like a Coke can like so many people seem to think. Steel is almost never necessary.

Roof rack--WHY? Do you not have enough cargo space in that huge JKU?

Winch--a lightweight unit and synthetic line go a long way, especially if they're mounted on a lightweight bumper.

Lighting--another thing that gets way out of hand too often. You don't 4 pairs of lights. Good headlights and maybe a good set of fogs provide plenty of light for about any situation.

Weight is only a problem if you make it one. As heavy as your JKU's are from the factory, I'd build it smart and stay conscience about it. The excuse that "Jeeps are slow", "weight doesn't matter", etc. are BS. Weight always matters--less of it is easier on the drivetrain and makes the driver's inputs respond quicker.
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Ripp is coming out with their 3.6 supercharger in the coming months I believe. And I would certainly think a regear to 4.10s would give you some "get up and go" back.

I've also seen some cool DIY options that make some of those aftermarket accessories more "plug-and-play" so you can remove them easily when not in use.

For example, is there any reason you need to lug a winch all over everywhere you drive? I assume not. So maybe take a look at how you have it configured and consider whether maybe a change in some of the hardware that makes it readily removeable is in order. Same with skid plates, gerry cans, roof rack, etc.

There's no reason to cart expedition gear around just to get to Target.
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Let's see.....maybe don't add a bunch of useless weight?

Bumpers--stay small, light and tight. I don't understand some of the massive hunks of steel on the market these days. With aluminum and minimalist steel bumpers available, look at those options.

Tire carrier--there are some slick tub-mounted versions available that don't weigh much. And contrary to what so many people seem to think, you don't always need a spare. I don't carry one on the road or the trail. I'd rather carry my small patch kit and my AAA card (last resort) than a 100 lb spare.

Gerry cans--WHY? Is the stock tank not large enough for you?

Skid plates--aluminum. No, it won't crush like a Coke can like so many people seem to think. Steel is almost never necessary.

Roof rack--WHY? Do you not have enough cargo space in that huge JKU?

Winch--a lightweight unit and synthetic line go a long way, especially if they're mounted on a lightweight bumper.

Lighting--another thing that gets way out of hand too often. You don't 4 pairs of lights. Good headlights and maybe a good set of fogs provide plenty of light for about any situation.

Weight is only a problem if you make it one. As heavy as your JKU's are from the factory, I'd build it smart and stay conscience about it. The excuse that "Jeeps are slow", "weight doesn't matter", etc. are BS. Weight always matters--less of it is easier on the drivetrain and makes the driver's inputs respond quicker.
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Let's see.....maybe don't add a bunch of useless weight?

Bumpers--stay small, light and tight. I don't understand some of the massive hunks of steel on the market these days. With aluminum and minimalist steel bumpers available, look at those options.

Tire carrier--there are some slick tub-mounted versions available that don't weigh much. And contrary to what so many people seem to think, you don't always need a spare. I don't carry one on the road or the trail. I'd rather carry my small patch kit and my AAA card (last resort) than a 100 lb spare.

Gerry cans--WHY? Is the stock tank not large enough for you?

Skid plates--aluminum. No, it won't crush like a Coke can like so many people seem to think. Steel is almost never necessary.

Roof rack--WHY? Do you not have enough cargo space in that huge JKU?

Winch--a lightweight unit and synthetic line go a long way, especially if they're mounted on a lightweight bumper.

Lighting--another thing that gets way out of hand too often. You don't 4 pairs of lights. Good headlights and maybe a good set of fogs provide plenty of light for about any situation.

Weight is only a problem if you make it one. As heavy as your JKU's are from the factory, I'd build it smart and stay conscience about it. The excuse that "Jeeps are slow", "weight doesn't matter", etc. are BS. Weight always matters--less of it is easier on the drivetrain and makes the driver's inputs respond quicker.
I'll tackle your comments one by one...

Bumpers....the difference between a stubby and a full width is minimal. A poison spyder stubby brawler is 65lbs. My rampage full width is 82. 95% of the weight is in the center anyway. Furthermore, some want full protection, as well as accessory mounting options.

Tire Carriers...most weigh in at about 35lbs. A spare is a must if you actually use your jeep for jeeping. AAA won't come out offroad.

Winch, agreed on the line, but it is still heavy...75lbs with a synthetic line...pretty heavy.

Roof rack...I may reconsider and get a hitch basket, but no, there isnt enough room. If I am going on a trek with the wife, the JKU is packed to the brim. If I want to go with 2 more friends, there isn't enough room for my gear.

Lighting...I'm running rigid lights, so weight is a non issue. Most lighting isn't a weight issue.

Skidplates....agreed, aluminum is what I want, sadly, most Jeep companies make things out of steel because it's cheaper and easier to work with. There is no one that makes a full width expedition rear bumper for example out of aluminum.
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Tire Carriers...most weigh in at about 35lbs. A spare is a must if you actually use your jeep for jeeping. AAA won't come out offroad.
Feel free to school me on this. I don't know how to properly use my jeep.
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Ok guys, I have a question for those of you with some seriously porky Jeeps. The JKU comes in at over 4000lbs. Add bumpers, a tire carrier, gerry cans, skid plates, a roof rack, a winch, lighting, and you are looking at 5000lbs. How are you combating weight? Is a gear change worth it to regain some "power?" Do you just live with it? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Hey...I think it starts at 4400 lbs actually. A five gallon can contains 40-45 lbs of liquid in addition to the can's weight. As to roof racks...well, to be honest, I bought the JKU so I wouldn't need a roof rack. You know, plenty of space inside the Jeep and all that. I also realize that based on where and when I wheel I don't need double skid plates, slid plates for my skid plates, a 100000 lb winch with 5 inch cable or an extra fuel blivet.

Some folks build a show room queen. Nothing wrong with that if you have the ability to write the check. It's like the guys I see with their AR-15 - the rifle has a 2lb uber-light on the end of it, an optic, a magnifier on a swing mount, a red dot mounted at a 45 deg angle, back up irons, a bipod, a foregrip, a redi-mag and anything else they have rail space left over for.

It's Barbie dress up for men. Buy the accessories and install them because it's fun and it looks good. Honestly, can you think of a functional reason for gigantic bumpers that weigh as much or more than most of the women I've dated? Me neither, but they look cool!
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I don't see AAA making it out to the places I go...that shit cracked me up whatta joke ...I would def recommend taking ur spare tire when out wheeling SMH
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If you all had reading comprehension he means while on the street, trust me. He wheels his keep more than 95% of the people on here.

Warn makes a comp winch, I have one. With synthetic line which comes on it, it weighs around 45lbs.

Take your spare and Gerry cans off while around town and you'll lose over 200lbs. Aluminum front bumper, around 30-40lbs. I can't see how you cannot fit enough gear for you and your wife in a 4 door Jeep. What are you packing, your house? So I'd ditch the roof rack.

I fit two peoples gear, tents and a whole canopy, cooler, and misc parts in the back of my TJ including the spare and a subwoofer and amp.

Maybe rethink your excursion gear..
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If you all had reading comprehension he means while on the street, trust me. He wheels his keep more than 95% of the people on here.

Warn makes a comp winch, I have one. With synthetic line which comes on it, it weighs around 45lbs.

Take your spare and Gerry cans off while around town and you'll lose over 200lbs. Aluminum front bumper, around 30-40lbs. I can't see how you cannot fit enough gear for you and your wife in a 4 door Jeep. What are you packing, your house? So I'd ditch the roof rack.

I fit two peoples gear, tents and a whole canopy, cooler, and misc parts in the back of my TJ including the spare and a subwoofer and amp.

Maybe rethink your excursion gear..
Highly doubt that bud don't assume anything an u must have a reading comp he said on road and on trail
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[QUOTE="Imped"]Let's see.....maybe don't add a bunch of useless weight?
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Tire carrier--there are some slick tub-mounted versions available that don't weigh much. And contrary to what so many people seem to think, you don't always need a spare. I don't carry one on the road or the trail. I'd rather carry my small patch kit and my AAA card (last resort) than a 100 lb spare.
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Guys, a little logic goes a long way. You can almost always make it off the trail with a flat, even if it's a torn sidewall. I don't, nor do many others, carry a spare. It stays in the garage. Doing think I wheel, my build thread is in my sig.
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I have a weigh station right by my house and I can drive right up to it....last time I was EXACTLY at 5000....in a 2 door.
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Guys, a little logic goes a long way. You can almost always make it off the trail with a flat, even if it's a torn sidewall. I don't, nor do many others, carry a spare. It stays in the garage. Doing think I wheel, my build thread is in my sig.
I don't care what ur build thread says stating something u do not know for a fact is not a fact ..just because I don't have a bunch of treads doesn't mean sh** I drive mine offroad more than on on a weekly basis and I do what it was built for .. That being said I still won't sit on this forum stating I wheel more than most guys on here because it is not a fact. And tearing ur rig up trying to get back to pavement To call " AAA " is not a smart way to do things period ...that right there is a fact for ya
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To the OP- Did you consider 4.56s? I understand what you mean about about making your Jeep a motorcycle but the standard gear charts are also based on stock Jeeps. 4.56s seem like a good middle ground. I figure I've added about 400 lbs to mine between the bumper, skids, sliders, winch (compact Warn) etc.- I'll go with 4.56s to counter this and my 34" MTS. And yes- I need it and it will be worth it. IMO.
Superchips is almost done with the TrailDash- a programmer. Like a ProCal on steriods. It will change shift points. Its not a re-gear but perhaps a less expensive alternative. We used one very successfully on our Ranger. We saw them at SEMA- they have one problem to solve before release but it shouldn't be too long. They've successfuly managed to re-program the shifting and other stuff- but everytime they turn the Jeep off it re-sets. Chrysler's way of making sure no one can mess with it. But somewhere there are 20 programmers locked in a room....
I will still re-gear because I want to do some other stuff (locker) while I am in there- but wanted to mention the TrailDash since its on the way....
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Feel free to school me on this. I don't know how to properly use my jeep.
No need to get your panties in a wad. I wasn't talking about you specifically. Settle down.

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