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Old 11-13-2013, 09:22 PM   #1
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Finally going back to the Wrangler

Hey everyone this will be my first post here. My first vehicle that I ever owned was a 94 Wrangler. Unfortunately I didn't own it very long, because I was a dumb kid and got into some trouble off roading where you aren't allowed to be off roading. Well, after that every vehicle I had I would enjoy for a little and then wish I had my Jeep back. I am finally going back and probably purchasing a 2012 + JK within the next week. Being in the market right now I have a couple points id like to get your opinions on.

I'm looking to spend around 20,000. From what I've been looking at that can get me a 2012 + Sport model with low miles. Now my focus on the 2012 + is because of the 3.6 Pentastar engine. Now, I could also probably get into an earlier year Sahara for around the same price, but from what I understand I would be sacrificing the better engine for a couple aesthetic options and a larger rear diff. Am I right to focus on 2012 + sports? Any off roading I will be doing will be easy trail stuff.

Also what kind of known issues are there with 2012 + that I should look out for when searching?

Thanks in advanced,

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Old 11-13-2013, 09:29 PM   #2
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Hi Ryan! I know others will be along to chime in on 12 specifics but base on a 14 brand new full warranty is just a tad more? Or even a new full warranty 13 if you can still find one. Of course depending what options you want and all that.

The 2012 did have some known issues I have heard about here - but I haven't followed them specifically. I have a 2013.

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Old 11-13-2013, 09:34 PM   #3
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Hey everyone this will be my first post here. My first vehicle that I ever owned was a 94 Wrangler. Unfortunately I didn't own it very long, because I was a dumb kid and got into some trouble off roading where you aren't allowed to be off roading. Well, after that every vehicle I had I would enjoy for a little and then wish I had my Jeep back. I am finally going back and probably purchasing a 2012 + JK within the next week. Being in the market right now I have a couple points id like to get your opinions on.

I'm looking to spend around 20,000. From what I've been looking at that can get me a 2012 + Sport model with low miles. Now my focus on the 2012 + is because of the 3.6 Pentastar engine. Now, I could also probably get into an earlier year Sahara for around the same price, but from what I understand I would be sacrificing the better engine for a couple aesthetic options and a larger rear diff. Am I right to focus on 2012 + sports? Any off roading I will be doing will be easy trail stuff.

Also what kind of known issues are there with 2012 + that I should look out for when searching?

Thanks in advanced,

Ryan
A couple of things:

If you're looking for a 2012 or 2013, you want to listen for a ticking in the engine, if the tick is loud then the driver's cylinder head may be bad and need replaced. Its a known issue.

If you hear a chirp when idling, then the water pump is on its way out, it will need replaced.

You also need to make sure you get searing hot air out of the driver's side vent when the Jeep is up to temp. Not getting heat on the driver's side is an indication of a heater core that is clogged with casting sand, it requires replacement and its a big job.

2013 Wranglers have an issue with the passenger side tail light filing up with water and not draining.

Finally, there is a recall in effect for automatic transmission 2012 and 2013 Wranglers. It involves the transmission line rubbing through the power steeling line, which is a potential issue.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:40 PM   #4
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Welcome Ryan!

Mechanically, a sport and a Sahara are none different. Well.. They can be had with or without 3.73 gears and/or the limited slip. Sahara amps up the comfort and convenience amenities, but otherwise are not any different than the rims/wheels and a bumper appliqué touch.

All (except early 2007) JKs have Dana 44 rear axles. I believe the rubicon rocks more splines, but they're all D44's. Don't rush into it. Find exactly what you want.

2012's have some known issues, but nothing that would keep me away. As someone mentioned, try a "leftover" new 13 for a couple more bucks a month. Sometimes one is qualified for a new vehicle, but not used.. Something to ponder. Good luck!
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Also you didn't say if you would be financing but your overall cost may be lower to go new with a 13 or 14 as typically financing rates are higher on used that may "eat up" any up front savings for a used 12.

And a total stock base Sport even would be fine for "easy" offroad straight off the dealer lot so no worries there.
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A couple of things:

You also need to make sure you get searing hot air out of the driver's side vent when the Jeep is up to temp. Not getting heat on the driver's side is an indication of a heater core that is clogged with casting sand, it requires replacement and its a big job.

2013 Wranglers have an issue with the passenger side tail light filing up with water and not draining.

Finally, there is a recall in effect for automatic transmission 2012 and 2013 Wranglers. It involves the transmission line rubbing through the power steeling line, which is a potential issue.
First of all you guys are great, faster replies that I would have expected, and to top it off solid information right out of the gate.

I had to laugh a little at the heater core issue. Back when I had my 94 I had a heater core leak, and had to do the replacement. Huge pain in the ass took all day.

I also forgot to mention I will be getting the 6 speed. I like the connection you get with a manual trans too much to pass up.

I ran some numbers an I could get a new 2014 bone stock sport (with the exception of AC) right off the lot for 23,500 no questions. I will be financing. It is a little outside my price point, but it could be worth it if I can avoid some of the mentioned 2012 and 13 issues. What kind of warranty could I expect with a 2014 vs a 12/13?
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:03 PM   #7
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Welcome back. Warranties vary but any 12 or later will still have bumper to bumper if it's less than 36k miles.

Known issues - yes drive the jeep multiple times and get out and walk around it while it's running and listen to it. Issues aren't any more prevalent than any car but avoiding any headaches is ideal.

Manual transmission - one of my top reasons for going back to a jeep. Hardly any SUVs have them now. It's a beefy transmission but its not as
Smooth as a sports car. Make sure it's quiet.

Rear axles are d44 in all of them. Depending
On what options you want -
A sport can get almost as decked out as a Sahara and save some $ ( mine has leather, power everything, keyless, heated seats, premium sound, etc )

If I were you I would take the previous advice and try and locate a still new 2013 or maybe one a guy bought and had to return when his wife found out. could save thousands
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give this guy a pm and take a little road trip

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Old 11-14-2013, 07:29 PM   #9
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Unfortunately I don't have the time to drive to florida. I noticed that the 3.73 axle ratio is an available option for about $500 more on the sport. Do you think it's worth it?

More likely than not I will probably just hop from dealer to dealer until I can get buy something off the lot for a price that works.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:42 PM   #10
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Went out today and ended up with a 2012 Sport pretty much fully loaded with 8,700 miles for 22,500, and I love it.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:59 PM   #11
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Pic please?
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:14 PM   #12
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Went out today and ended up with a 2012 Sport pretty much fully loaded with 8,700 miles for 22,500, and I love it.
No kidding? Where are you located? I'm starting to shop for used Wranglers and that's waaaay better than any price I've seen in my neck of the woods.

when you say "2012 Sport pretty much fully loaded" what does that mean? A/C, power locks & windows, hard top, that stuff?

Did you buy from a dealership or private seller?
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I'll post pictures tomorrow. By the time I closed the deal and left the lot it was dark out.

I made the deal in lancaster at a used lot. We went to a few big chrysler Jeep dealers first, and they all only had new inventory. The best deal we could negotiate on a new was a bone stock sport (with AC) for $23,700. They probably would have taken somewhere in the high 22's, but we hit them with 21,500, they said no, and we left. The Jeep I ended up buying was listed on the lot at 24,750, online for 22,995, and we paid 22,500. As far as options It has power mirrors, power windows, power locks, keyless entry, security system, Uconnect enabled 130 stereo ipod connection in the center console, AC, connectivity group option (bluetooth, tire pressure monitoring, and some other electronic monitoring stuff), 17 inch aluminum wheels, and leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob. I think that is all of the options.

The dealer was a pretty nice guy (genuinely nice not car dealer nice), he said he bought it for 21,500 and even showed proof. It came down to a decision between a brand new bone stock or a basically new (9k miles) with a good amount of options.

One other note, one of the hardest things was finding 6 speeds. We went to a huge jeep dealerships (probably like 30-35 jeeps in the lot), and there were only 4-5 6 speed sports.
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I'll post pictures tomorrow. By the time I closed the deal and left the lot it was dark out.

I made the deal in lancaster at a used lot. We went to a few big chrysler Jeep dealers first, and they all only had new inventory. The best deal we could negotiate on a new was a bone stock sport (with AC) for $23,700. They probably would have taken somewhere in the high 22's, but we hit them with 21,500, they said no, and we left. The Jeep I ended up buying was listed on the lot at 24,750, online for 22,995, and we paid 22,500. As far as options It has power mirrors, power windows, power locks, keyless entry, security system, Uconnect enabled 130 stereo ipod connection in the center console, AC, connectivity group option (bluetooth, tire pressure monitoring, and some other electronic monitoring stuff), 17 inch aluminum wheels, and leather wrapped steering wheel and shift knob. I think that is all of the options.

The dealer was a pretty nice guy (genuinely nice not car dealer nice), he said he bought it for 21,500 and even showed proof. It came down to a decision between a brand new bone stock or a basically new (9k miles) with a good amount of options.

One other note, one of the hardest things was finding 6 speeds. We went to a huge jeep dealerships (probably like 30-35 jeeps in the lot), and there were only 4-5 6 speed sports.
Welcome back to the family, Ryan--congrats on the new ride!

Sounds like you did rather well--lets see those pics!
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This guy's pulling our legs. Pics or it didn't happen!
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