Fire! Fire! Fire! Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon - Page 2 - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 09-25-2013, 01:13 PM   #31
Jeeper
 
SRTie4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Keene, NH
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by ztman View Post
Now I am even more confused. The Jeep in the first pic looks black. The hood on the Jeep in the second set of pics is white. The op said he was hit head on, but doesn't look like bumper has a scratch?
It's not some mystery. The Jeep was on fire, so it's not very surprising that the paint would have completely burned off of the hood. What you're looking at is charbroiled metal, not white paint. If you need more convincing, look at the back door in the 2nd pic. It's still black. Obviously it wasn't hot enough back there to melt the paint off the metal.

__________________
2012 2-Door Sport S in Flame Red
SRTie4k is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 01:35 PM   #32
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
My Jeep was a dark emerald green that looked black in low light. After the fire the charred remains left it looking white. The front windshield was also not damaged until the fire. The bumper was a Rugged Ridge XHD Bumper and you have to look pretty hard for the dent. Chrysler sent their Special Investigation team down to look at my jeep and determined that there was "no mechanical defect". I've already talked to a few people that experienced a similiar situation. I have not found any examples after 2012 when Chrysler changed the engine and exhaust. Mine was a 2011 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon

Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:03 PM   #33
Jeeper
 
JKjingle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 208
I doubt the guy is faking anything don't know why that idea is being thrown out. Who goes on a jeep forum and makes up a fake story for the lulz? If I wanted to troll people on the internet and get a rise out of people I would post a video of hunting animals on green peace. He's looking for info and a solution to his problem. Hope you get to the bottom of it. At least if Chrysler won't cover you insurance will, still sucks.
JKjingle is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:14 PM   #34
Jeeper
 
jkristie44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Places Unknown
Posts: 141
I have that same front bumper. Glad to know that not only will it surrvive an impact, but also a blazing inferno.
__________________
Jeep Asylum
jkristie44 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:17 PM   #35
Jag
Jeeper
 
Jag's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 319
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKjingle View Post
I doubt the guy is faking anything don't know why that idea is being thrown out. Who goes on a jeep forum and makes up a fake story for the lulz? If I wanted to troll people on the internet and get a rise out of people I would post a video of hunting animals on green peace. He's looking for info and a solution to his problem. Hope you get to the bottom of it. At least if Chrysler won't cover you insurance will, still sucks.
I think most of the people here do believe that the OP's Jeep caught on fire, but the problem was his initial post was clearly intended to draw a ton of attention and then made it sound like the Jeep spontaneously combusted while Chrysler denied any responsibility. It wasn't revealed until later that it caught on fire after an accident.

Vehicles, Jeeps included, are obviously designed to avoid fires even after an accident, but as evidenced by fires across virtually all makes and models, it still happens even if very rarely.

Anyways, it sucks that this happened, but this thread seemed like it was trying to create drama by pointing out that Jeeps are inherently more likely to go up in flames due to some sort of design flaw. The facts simply aren't there to support that.

I'm all for a little manufacturer bashing every now and then, but it sounds like Chrysler already went above and beyond by sending folks out to investigate the accident.
Jag is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:19 PM   #36
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: central pa mountains
Posts: 632
I don't think the general consensus is the op is trying to fake things. I think some were a little confused but then the op added some additional info. The original pics make it almost appear the jeep is in a parking lot, but after the accident info addition, the pics make sense. What I question, is how mods, including stiffer bumpers and lifting, may adversely effect the original design of the jeep that contribute to issues like this. Jeeps and other vehicles are designed with crumple zones to absorb energy in crashes. When we modify those areas, does it effect other design areas in the jeep. Aside from bumpers, has jeep taken into consideration the effect of what a lift has on their original design and crash worthiness? Ie, if you lift the jeep, does that expose fuel lines to puncture areas that would not other wise be exposed with out the lift. Just thinking out loud
__________________
I don't mind spending money, I mind wasting money
ztman is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:20 PM   #37
Jeeper
 
JKjingle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag View Post
I think most of the people here do believe that the OP's Jeep caught on fire, but the problem was his initial post was clearly intended to draw a ton of attention and then made it sound like the Jeep spontaneously combusted while Chrysler denied any responsibility. It wasn't revealed until later that it caught on fire after an accident. Vehicles, Jeeps included, are obviously designed to avoid fires even after an accident, but as evidenced by fires across virtually all makes and models, it still happens even if very rarely. Anyways, it sucks that this happened, but this thread seemed like it was trying to create drama by pointing out that Jeeps are inherently more likely to go up in flames due to some sort of design flaw. The facts simply aren't there to support that. I'm all for a little manufacturer bashing every now and then, but it sounds like Chrysler already went above and beyond by sending folks out to investigate the accident.
I agree the initial story was very vague and dramatic and being the internet and all skeptics will rise.
JKjingle is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:21 PM   #38
Jeeper
 
SRTie4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Keene, NH
Posts: 191
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag View Post
I think most of the people here do believe that the OP's Jeep caught on fire, but the problem was his initial post was clearly intended to draw a ton of attention and then made it sound like the Jeep spontaneously combusted while Chrysler denied any responsibility. It wasn't revealed until later that it caught on fire after an accident.

Vehicles, Jeeps included, are obviously designed to avoid fires even after an accident, but as evidenced by fires across virtually all makes and models, it still happens even if very rarely.

Anyways, it sucks that this happened, but this thread seemed like it was trying to create drama by pointing out that Jeeps are inherently more likely to go up in flames due to some sort of design flaw. The facts simply aren't there to support that.

I'm all for a little manufacturer bashing every now and then, but it sounds like Chrysler already went above and beyond by sending folks out to investigate the accident.
I think you read a little too much into the first post. Just because he searched for YouTube videos of Wranglers burning doesn't mean he explicitly stated "Wranglers are terrible, they will catch on fire and burn you to death even if you bump into another car!"

It sounds to me like he is merely asking for people that may have had the same circumstances to shoot him an email. There's nothing wrong with finding out if a certain make/model might suffer from a problem that the manufacturer might not want to admit to. Look at the Pentastar head fiasco as an example.

Nobody here is bashing Chrysler, the guy just wants to know why his Wrangler burned to the ground after an accident, and why Chrysler denied it as a defect.
__________________
2012 2-Door Sport S in Flame Red
SRTie4k is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:24 PM   #39
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 193
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyatt95 View Post
Chrysler sent their Special Investigation team down to look at my jeep and determined that there was "no mechanical defect".
So what reason did they give for the fire? The car should not catch fire after a minor accident. Something was evidently wrong.
jannikt is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:27 PM   #40
Jeeper
 
COStrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,755
OP is human and may have forgotten in an emotional state to be clear and concise in the post. Ease off.

I've read a bunch about JK fires and have not seen one instance where Chrysler had accepted any accountability. They just aren't going to do that from a CYA position. Now that they have been forced to do do on some vehicles it's clear they made a design error on particular models (excluding the wrangler iirc). It's not like lee Iacocca was in the office!
__________________
We do not take risks to escape life, but to keep life from escaping us.-Unknown
COStrider is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 02:28 PM   #41
Jeeper
 
JKjingle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Canada
Posts: 208
Quote:
Originally Posted by jannikt View Post
So what reason did they give for the fire? The car should not catch fire after a minor accident. Something was evidently wrong.
Yea it sounds like Chrysler said "well we have no clue why it caught fire but it definitely wasn't our fault" lol
JKjingle is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 03:25 PM   #42
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Chrysler did send a person out to inspect the Jeep and they spent about a 1/2 day looking it over. They will not share the report with me...
This and the fact that there were several videos on-line is what made we want to find someone to talk with that has been down this path. I love Jeeps. Mine was not lifted but it would be interesting to see if that would impact anything...
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 03:38 PM   #43
Jeeper
 
Lusus_Naturae's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: OKC, missing WI
Posts: 2,093
__________________
2013 JKU Sport, billet, auto, 3.73, LSD, 315/75/16 Duratracs on MB 72, 10A springs, Bushwacker flatties

Sold - 2005 TJ, red, auto, 3.73, 33" Duratracs, 4" lift
Ice storm casualty in 2007 - 2003 TJ, green, auto, 3.73, 33" Duratracs, 4" lift
Lusus_Naturae is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 06:14 PM   #44
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Wow Thanks. Your correct- They changed the engine and exhaust in 2012. It looks like the videos do not show any videos of 2012+ models.
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-25-2013, 06:35 PM   #45
Jeeper
 
Seeuoffroad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 310
Few cans if plasti dip and good to go.
Seeuoffroad is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-26-2013, 08:30 AM   #46
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Thanks for your help. I've talked with a few people already, but I want to talk to more. It looks like the magic number is around 40 Wranglers.

Engine fires in Cruzes, Wranglers examined - Toledo Blade

Jeep wrangler fires News, Videos, Reviews and Gossip - Jalopnik

Feds expand investigation of Jeep Wrangler fires - Dash - CBS News
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-26-2013, 08:42 AM   #47
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-26-2013, 11:00 AM   #48
Jeeper
 
gorillahydrographics's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Tucson, Az
Posts: 1,242
Whats NOT tpical in the videos of the fires is that the fire has spread to the ENTIRE vehicle - front to rear. This would take time..most fire response times are quick enough that an engine fire in contained to the engine bay.

You dont usually see this unless the fire was

1. Intentionally set.

2. There has been flamable liquid that has spilled. i.e fuel

You probably wont see any response from Chrysler untill they review your case with lawyers and discuss what should be done if they feel they mybe at fault.

You may receive a settlement and non disclosure agreement in the next few months.
__________________
2013 Billet Silver 2 Door Sport -TeraFlex Elite Long Arm with Rock Krawler 3.5" Triple Rate Coils- Yukon 5.13 Gears - Detroit Locker (front)Eaton "E" Locker(rear) - TeraFlex Flip Kit/high Steer - Currie HD Tie Rod - Smittybilt XRC Front MoD Bumper w/stinger and Crawler Conceptz Skinny Rear Bumper - XRC 9000LB winch - XRC Flat Fenders - Cooper Discovery MT 35x12.50x17 - Custom Urban Camo Grill -
gorillahydrographics is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-27-2013, 02:51 PM   #49
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
Based on what I could find on the internet, there were about 20 cases involving 2007-2011 wrangler models as of last year. There apperars to be about 30 now. I've been in contact with a few people already thanks to this forum. I would appreciate further comments and suggestions especially from people with first hand experience.
From what I can tell the fires start as electrical fires, grass caught in the skid plate or low speed impacts. I really want the first hand knowledge from people that have lived through this. Chrysler inspected the Jeep but will not share the results with me. This is a common theme with everyone I've talked to.
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-27-2013, 02:59 PM   #50
rotaredoM

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
panthermark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago-land
Posts: 9,746
Images: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyatt95 View Post
Based on what I could find on the internet, there were about 20 cases involving 2007-2011 wrangler models as of last year. There apperars to be about 30 now. I've been in contact with a few people already thanks to this forum. I would appreciate further comments and suggestions especially from people with first hand experience.
From what I can tell the fires start as electrical fires, grass caught in the skid plate or low speed impacts. I really want the first hand knowledge from people that have lived through this. Chrysler inspected the Jeep but will not share the results with me. This is a common theme with everyone I've talked to.
I doubt if Chrysler will tell much...and honestly, I would only be concerned with low speed impacts or fires on non-modified vehicles. That might cut your total in half (just guessing).

We already know about the skid plate (and tranny line)....and an electrical fire caused by a faulty winch or a cheap amp or a shoddy lift job the rubbed or stretched a line should not count.
__________________
2013 Sahara Unlimited
Billet - Auto - 3.73 - Connectivity - Painted Hardtop - LSD - Remote Start - Saddle Leather - Side Airbags

I may mall crawl...but I look good doing it.....
panthermark is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 09-28-2013, 04:03 AM   #51
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
michiganadam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Niles, MI
Posts: 2,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by jannikt View Post
But it shouldn't. Fire prevention in case of an accident is specifically covered by DOT NHTSA rules and certification criteria. Compliance is part of government crash test program.

Briefly, here is how it's done. Before the crash test, the car (gas tank, engine, transmission, etc.) is filled with non-flammable fluids. The crash test is performed. After the crash test the car is placed in a "cage" and slowly rolled 360 deg. Any leaks are measured and inspected. Any leak of flammable fluid such as gasoline, oil or transmission fluid that could potentially result in a fire is deemed unacceptable and the car fails to meet minimum government standards. There are similar criteria for side and rear end crashes, as well as tests performed by IIHS. Fuel lines, oil hoses, etc. are designed to accommodate deformation during crash and the car structure must be designed in such way that these lines and hoses aren't ruptured. Also, deployment of airbags should shut down the engine and fuel pump, and the engine cannot be immediately restarted.

Bottom line, if a car catches fire after a minor impact, something is definitely wrong. It could be a defective part, a bad mod, or a one-in-a-million event (like a part from the other car detaching and hitting in exactly the wrong spot). Or it could be a design defect that could lead to a recall.

Saying that "any car can catch fire after impact" is not correct, unless the impact greatly exceeds certification criteria.
An impact breaks things. Think about it, since youre so much smarter than i am.

Crash tests are done with brand new vehicles. Most wrecks are not brand new vehicles. All it would take is one bolt a couple inches from the fuel tank.....
__________________
Everytime i have ever posted, its always bull that comes out of me
michiganadam is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 10-16-2013, 06:55 AM   #52
Newb
 
Wyatt95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 12
The issue is the high of Wranglers bursting into flames with NO impact or after a minor collision. I continue to recieve first hand accounts like mine. Please continue to email me at ballw95@gmail.com. In addition to the seven pages of Youtube videos of burning Jeeps there is now a Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/JeepWrangle...ire?ref=stream
Wyatt95 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-02-2013, 06:28 PM   #53
Newb
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Richmond, Texas
Posts: 1
I had a 2014 Wrangler Sahara catch on fire in my driveway. It was only a month old and had 3100 miles on it. It still had paper plates on it. The jeep had nothing done to it at all yet.Jeep refuses to admit they had a problem that caused this, I have had Jeeps and other 4x4 for the last 20+ years and never seen anything like this. My daughter had just returned from school in the jeep. Has anyone else had these issues?
emed3171 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-02-2013, 06:31 PM   #54
Jeeper
 
gorillahydrographics's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Tucson, Az
Posts: 1,242
What did they determine to be the cause?
gorillahydrographics is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 09:46 AM   #55
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 180
Quote:
Originally Posted by emed3171 View Post
I had a 2014 Wrangler Sahara catch on fire in my driveway. It was only a month old and had 3100 miles on it. It still had paper plates on it. The jeep had nothing done to it at all yet.Jeep refuses to admit they had a problem that caused this, I have had Jeeps and other 4x4 for the last 20+ years and never seen anything like this. My daughter had just returned from school in the jeep. Has anyone else had these issues?

Great. I have a 2014 and I park it in my attached garage. How long between the time your daughter got home and when the fire started?

Also, is your Jeep an automatic or manual? It looks like one of the causes the NHTSA is looking at is leaking auto trans fluid.
co-utah is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 10:08 AM   #56
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Westchester County, NY
Posts: 72
Tagging to get updates on this...
GreggNY is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 10:17 AM   #57
Jeeper
 
CJ7nvrstk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Prosper, TX
Posts: 431
Also curious as to the cause which should be known by now, several months after the fact. Wasn't there an issue also of the dash starting fires?
CJ7nvrstk is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 10:18 AM   #58
Jeeper
 
Jeeepgrl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: West Central Fl
Posts: 120
when I first saw the picture I thought it was parked...I did not notice the ambulance in the side mirror of the vehicle taking the picture. Thought it was photoshopped...
__________________
[Granite CC JKU
Ordered 10/9
D10/14

D1 11/8
EL 184***
E 11/21KZ 11/22
Jeeepgrl is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 11:03 AM   #59
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: 29 Palms, CA
Posts: 288
Build a KOH rig out of it now.

Poison Spyder 2014 KOH Build: BAJK (AKA "Crispy")

Note that that was another JKU that caught fire while being towed home from an event...It was brand new..
__________________
2010 Wrangler Sport - Dark Charcoal Peal - 6-speed - 3.21 - Katzkin
ramp4ge is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 12-03-2013, 11:43 AM   #60
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Great White North
Posts: 253
My question for the op and any others that have had these type of fires is "Did you turn off the ignition after the accident?"

The fire looks to me like burning fuel. Which means a broken fuel line or fitting, a fuel pump that continues to pump fuel and a source of ignition. If the fuel pump was off then the fire could still happen although it once the fuel in the line dribbled out and burned the fire would go out. For these fires to happen the supply of fuel must continue.

I find it hard to understand how the fuel could continue to be supplied if the ignition was turned off after the accident though. The fuel in the lines or tank would need to be heated to boiling for fuel to continue to flow if the pump is off. No doubt this happens eventually but to get to that point the fuel pump must have been supplying fuel to the fire initially.

WorkingMan is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Tags
fire , jeep , recall , rubicon , wrangler

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:09 PM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC