First oil change on my Pentastar 3.6 - Page 4 - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 05-13-2013, 10:34 PM   #91
Jeeper
 
jadmt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: missoula
Posts: 6,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13RBP View Post
I can end this debate, my Corvette uses only Mobile 1 and a Mobile 1 filter. It comes from the factory like that. Why? Because all elite car people know that the best racing engines and high performance motors use synthetic. That's what 60+ years of making the fastest American sports car teaches you.

Although I'm not saying regular oil changes with regular oil won't make your engine last a really long time, but I beat the crap out of my motors and it's Mobile 1 only for me. Doing mine at 500 for the record.
it is a bummer that Mobil 1 does not meet Chrysler specs. I emailed Mobil 1 and they confirmed that at this time they do not meet the specs required by Chrysler.

jadmt is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-13-2013, 10:49 PM   #92
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SilverSport's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 20,862
Send a message via Yahoo to SilverSport
Quote:
Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
it is a bummer that Mobil 1 does not meet Chrysler specs. I emailed Mobil 1 and they confirmed that at this time they do not meet the specs required by Chrysler.
Not a bummer for me; I don't use Mobil 1.

__________________
"Own a Jeep and own a piece of history."

"The Hunter is not concerned with the opinion of the Wolf."
SilverSport is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-13-2013, 11:52 PM   #93
Jeeper
 
Old Dogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix, Rattlesnake Country
Posts: 3,286
WHAT THE SAM HELL IS MOBILE I? Hum, maybe it's a new Mobile Cellphone provider. I wonder if they are offering better rates than Verizon. I will have to see if I can save some money on my cell phone bill.

Now let's get back to real oil. If I was to use synthetics, which I am not, it would only be Pennzoil Platinum. SilverSport uses it so it has to be the best!!
Sorry about that, because you missed out on all of that popcorn.............
Old Dogger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 12:06 AM   #94
Jeeper
 
Old Dogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix, Rattlesnake Country
Posts: 3,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13RBP View Post
I can end this debate, my Corvette uses only Mobile 1 and a Mobile 1 filter. It comes from the factory like that. Why? Because all elite car people know that the best racing engines and high performance motors use synthetic. That's what 60+ years of making the fastest American sports car teaches you.

Although I'm not saying regular oil changes with regular oil won't make your engine last a really long time, but I beat the crap out of my motors and it's Mobile 1 only for me. Doing mine at 500 for the record.
WOW, you lucky guy and or girl to have a Corvette. That was always one of my dreams, Oh well at age 79 it would be just to fast for me. At least if I wrecked it, I would have a Mobile 1 cell phone to call for help......
Old Dogger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 07:24 AM   #95
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SilverSport's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 20,862
Send a message via Yahoo to SilverSport
SilverSport told me he does not use Pennzoil Platinum.
__________________
"Own a Jeep and own a piece of history."

"The Hunter is not concerned with the opinion of the Wolf."
SilverSport is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 01:28 PM   #96
Jeeper
 
Old Dogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix, Rattlesnake Country
Posts: 3,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
SilverSport told me he does not use Pennzoil Platinum.
Here I go again, just getting all mixed up, Oh wait it's coming to me, yes, yes your that Amsoil guy.
Maybe the reason that I get so mixed up on this subject is that these synthetic things just aren't that important to me. At age 79, there are more important things like popcorn and Budweiser. In fact I think it's time for a can' or two, or more..............and of coarse some....
Old Dogger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 06:10 PM   #97
Jeeper
 
RoadiJeff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 2,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Dogger View Post
and of coarse some....
I don't know if I'd like coarse popcorn. A little crunchy, maybe, but not coarse.
RoadiJeff is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 06:29 PM   #98
Jeeper
 
Old Dogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix, Rattlesnake Country
Posts: 3,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadiJeff View Post
I don't know if I'd like coarse popcorn. A little crunchy, maybe, but not coarse.
When you fail third grade and then never go back to school, well, that's what happens!
Let that be a lesson to all of you young wiper snappers out there, stay in school so you don't wind up a Moron and a old Coot like Old Dogger.
Living on the street when it's 105 degrees outside, just isn't any fun. In fact it really BURN'S me in more ways than one. Hum, yes it hurt's.....
As for the popcorn, well as long as I have the Budweiser to go along with it, then I really don't care how it is prepared!
Old Dogger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 06:40 PM   #99
Jeeper
 
craigwieck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Se michigan
Posts: 120
Engines with a cartridge style oil filter housing have a spring loaded drain valve in the bottom of the housing that holds the oil in the filter housing when the engine is not running. As soon as you remove the oil filter housing cap the filter comes up and the drain opens so the old oil will drain back into the oil pan. The reason manufactures recommend removing the cap first is to let the oil drain out of the filter housing. It has no affect on how the oil drains out of the pan.
craigwieck is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 06:59 PM   #100
Jeeper
 
DJL2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: The center of the universe, NC
Posts: 858
Craig, what the heck? We're in the middle of a complete digression here and you're trying to bring things back on topic? Something of a party foul I'd say.

You're denying me to the opportunity to tell the Corvette guy that he ought to be driving a 911 GT2 or GT-R, for one thing. I cannot hound OD about his choice of beer, cellular telephone provider, grammar, etc. either.

Priorities, man!
DJL2 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 07:01 PM   #101
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SilverSport's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 20,862
Send a message via Yahoo to SilverSport
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigwieck View Post
Engines with a cartridge style oil filter housing have a spring loaded drain valve in the bottom of the housing that holds the oil in the filter housing when the engine is not running. As soon as you remove the oil filter housing cap the filter comes up and the drain opens so the old oil will drain back into the oil pan. The reason manufactures recommend removing the cap first is to let the oil drain out of the filter housing. It has no affect on how the oil drains out of the pan.
This myth has already been debunked. The canister on the Pentastar has an inlet and outlet. When the engine is off and oil pressure reaches 0, the oil drains back out of the canister.


DJL2 - I trust Old Dogger will get us back off track. He is da man.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Oil Filter Housing.jpg
Views:	87
Size:	67.0 KB
ID:	249250  
__________________
"Own a Jeep and own a piece of history."

"The Hunter is not concerned with the opinion of the Wolf."
SilverSport is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 07:16 PM   #102
Jeeper
 
craigwieck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Se michigan
Posts: 120
I will have to take a look when I do my first oil Change. I have done oil changes on tons of vehicles with cartridge style oil filters and have never seen one that goes dry on every start up. I could be wrong but with the majority of engine wear coming from start up I would find it hard to believe the filter housing drains when shut off.
craigwieck is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-14-2013, 08:52 PM   #103
TOK
Jeeper
 
TOK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigwieck View Post
I will have to take a look when I do my first oil Change. I have done oil changes on tons of vehicles with cartridge style oil filters and have never seen one that goes dry on every start up. I could be wrong but with the majority of engine wear coming from start up I would find it hard to believe the filter housing drains when shut off.
With standard filter vehicles, I was always in the habit of putting a few ounces of oil in the filter before I put it on (as much as the filter would hold without spilling). This was a big deal on Ford 302's... My LX 5.0 had a cringeworthy knocking sound until the filter filled up. Getting a little in the filter ahead of time helped a lot!

For the same old school reason, I actually poured a little oil into the 3.6 filter housing and it sounded like it just drained right down to the pan... Thing is, I don't remember if I already had the filter in. I'm thinking I did not.
Due to the filter housing location, it doesn't seem like it'd do much good anyhow.
TOK is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-15-2013, 08:14 AM   #104
Jeeper
 
jadmt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: missoula
Posts: 6,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOK View Post
With standard filter vehicles, I was always in the habit of putting a few ounces of oil in the filter before I put it on (as much as the filter would hold without spilling). This was a big deal on Ford 302's... My LX 5.0 had a cringeworthy knocking sound until the filter filled up. Getting a little in the filter ahead of time helped a lot!

For the same old school reason, I actually poured a little oil into the 3.6 filter housing and it sounded like it just drained right down to the pan... Thing is, I don't remember if I already had the filter in. I'm thinking I did not.
Due to the filter housing location, it doesn't seem like it'd do much good anyhow.

not sure how you would do that without making a mess. Nothing going to hold the oil the filter housing on the 3.6L
jadmt is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-15-2013, 03:19 PM   #105
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: In The Hot South West AZ, and cold Alaska
Posts: 1,012
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOK View Post
With standard filter vehicles, I was always in the habit of putting a few ounces of oil in the filter before I put it on (as much as the filter would hold without spilling). This was a big deal on Ford 302's... My LX 5.0 had a cringeworthy knocking sound until the filter filled up. Getting a little in the filter ahead of time helped a lot!

For the same old school reason, I actually poured a little oil into the 3.6 filter housing and it sounded like it just drained right down to the pan... Thing is, I don't remember if I already had the filter in. I'm thinking I did not.
Due to the filter housing location, it doesn't seem like it'd do much good anyhow.
I also have pre-lubed all of my oil filters, that have been mounted vertically! But with the 3.6, them days are over..........
It doesn't appear that this engine has any kind of a ADBV, SAD....
Miser is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-15-2013, 08:03 PM   #106
Jeeper
 
craigwieck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Se michigan
Posts: 120
So I learned something new last night. I took apart a oil filter housing on a 3.6l and sure enough there is nothing to hold oil on there when the engine is off.
craigwieck is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-15-2013, 08:17 PM   #107
wat3rdog elsewhere too

WF Supporting Member
 
wat3rdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,752
Images: 11
Easiest and cleanest oil change ever!
__________________
wat3rdog is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-16-2013, 08:50 AM   #108
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,921
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSport View Post
This myth has already been debunked. The canister on the Pentastar has an inlet and outlet. When the engine is off and oil pressure reaches 0, the oil drains back out of the canister.


DJL2 - I trust Old Dogger will get us back off track. He is da man.
__________________
2013 Commando Green Freedom Edition JKU
2013 Billet Freedom Edition JK
legitposter is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-16-2013, 11:37 AM   #109
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
SilverSport's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 20,862
Send a message via Yahoo to SilverSport
^lol
__________________
"Own a Jeep and own a piece of history."

"The Hunter is not concerned with the opinion of the Wolf."
SilverSport is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 05-16-2013, 01:42 PM   #110
Jeeper
 
Old Dogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Phoenix, Rattlesnake Country
Posts: 3,286
Quote:
Originally Posted by legitposter View Post
Legit, it's always nice to see you drop in. Your kind words and gestures are always welcomed and second to none! How lucky we all are to have you...........:non ono:
Old Dogger is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 07-27-2014, 04:19 PM   #111
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Seattle
Posts: 48
Resurrecting the thread, I'm doing the first oil change on my 2014 JKUR at 700 miles. And installing a "No Spill" drain plug. I'll take pics and post them when I'm done.
Flint Eastwood is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-09-2014, 04:32 PM   #112
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Seattle
Posts: 48
The oil that came out smelled REAL bad!! hard to explain, but even a neighbor came over that has maintained a number of vintage cars and does his own mechanic repairs for many years made a comment, he smelled it from 50 years away!! The NoSpill quick drain was the right diameter but the wrong pitch thread, so the stock plug went back in. Over all, in approx. 50 years of changing oil in all kinds of rigs, including aircraft, this was by FAR the easiest!!! 5w30 Castrol Edge went in, along with a NAPA Gold (wix) filter. So far a conservative fuel economy improvement of at LEAST 20%, ya, no kidding!! Sounds better and is smoother too, noticeably by not a small amount! I don't think it has anything to do with the Castrol per se, but some good CLEAN synthetic oil..
Flint Eastwood is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-09-2014, 06:31 PM   #113
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 45
I need to get mine done. Just over 7000miles now, which is about enough, although I have a slightly more european approach to oil changes.

Although current sat on 25.2mpg for this tank so not doing too badly.
ivantate is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-09-2014, 07:21 PM   #114
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Seattle
Posts: 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivantate View Post
I need to get mine done. Just over 7000miles now, which is about enough, although I have a slightly more european approach to oil changes.

Although current sat on 25.2mpg for this tank so not doing too badly.
25.2?? I officially hate you, LOL
Flint Eastwood is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 08-09-2014, 08:58 PM   #115
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 45
Its been a very steady week!

Remember I have to put up with no-one waving as I have a standard looking jkus.

ivantate is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:03 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC