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Old 02-28-2012, 12:21 PM   #1
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so i've been thinking that for now i will stay stock tires and really don't plan on a lift kit, but who knows that may change later on. Found a place to get to go into 4wd for the first time today, didn't even need 4wd their but u know i wanted to try it out lol. So after today i for sure know i wanna go to Land between the lakes sometime in the near future, and ride around on the easy trails. Just to have a nice day out to get away from home and work routine. So I think the only thing i want before i do head that way is a winch on the front. Even though i doubt i need it for the easy trails i would like the comfort of having it being 2 hours away from home And also i think they just add to the looks hehe. Later on i'll prob get better tires prob around stock size but i'm a tight wad and wanna get use outta of these since i have em.

So from what i understand (not very mechanical inclined here) i'll also have to buy a new front bumper So can anybody give me some ideas of what i need to get thats nice and affordable. My wife don't work so i can't go crazy. Just want a winch that will pull me out if i do get into a slick place that stock tires can't get me out of, and if i gotta have a bumper something that doesn't look bad. I saw one on rough country that looked like they was turning the front of the jeep into a tank lol.

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:29 PM   #2
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You don't need a new front bumper for add a winch. You could use a winch mount such as this from Rough Country on your stock bumper.


Some folks have even gone as far as to mount a hidden winch within the stock bumper. There are a few threads on that here, just do a search.

That being said, for a few bucks more, you can get something like this: Rough Country's new Hybrid Stubby Bumper. It is a great price. They also make end caps for it that can house the stock fog lights. I contacted them directly a couple weeks ago and was given a price of $310 shipped for the base bumper, fog light end caps, and d-rings.


Also, keep in mind that with the weight of a winch on the front end, you may want to add a small spacer to the front springs to recoup some of the height you will lose. Even more so if you go with a steel bumper as well.

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Hey there. I'm kinda in the same boat as you (once I get my JK). I'm going to stick with the stick tired for now, but found a place to go wheeling but they recommend at least having a winch and a CB.

I've been looking at the JCR Dagger bumpers (less expensive built American made and good quality). For a winch I'm thinking one of the new quadratic (sp?) winches. I'm still a total noob so if someone disagrees on those choices listen to them but that's what seems the best for my budget based on my research so far.

A final note you will probably need a 3/4 inch spacer to be added to the front to account for the sagging caused by the extra weight. At least that's what I've been told.
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Hmmm lol guess ill have to find somebody that knows how to add the spacer before I get one. Only thing I know how to do on n e vehicle is change the oil lol
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Hmmm lol guess ill have to find somebody that knows how to add the spacer before I get one. Only thing I know how to do on n e vehicle is change the oil lol
Spacers are a simple thing to add. Only "special" tool you would need is a torque wrench.
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You could also go with a hand winch until your ready to upgrade if you ever need to

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/is-...ice-96087.html
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has any one mentioned wheeling alone is not a great idea.
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has any one mentioned wheeling alone is not a great idea.
Yes, but i kinda figured that would be mainly for trails harder than the easy one's at lbl?
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think i'll get a hand winch for now, kinda liking the vids i have seen of people using them, and should be perfect for me on the trails i wanting to go on for now.

so can somebody point me to a good website or place to buy one? and also what size ton to get?
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Had somebody sit on the front bumper that weighs around 150 and it does lower about an inch but still don't look too bad, not enough to go adding spacers(be different if i like to do stuff like that but i don't lol). The winch i was looking at is only a 6000 winch and weighs 79 pounds plus the mounting plate weight. Its all so confusing lol but i still need to know how much a come along that's capable of pulling a jeep a few feet. Cuz if their not to high i will still like to get one, since it will take a while for me to save up 500 bucks for the winch and mounting plate
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You could also go with a hand winch until your ready to upgrade if you ever need to

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/is-...ice-96087.html
... a Hi-Lift Jack is awesome in many ways, but you mst be careful when using one, as it can really hurt you, if U do not know how to use it
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think i'll get a hand winch for now, kinda liking the vids i have seen of people using them, and should be perfect for me on the trails i wanting to go on for now.

so can somebody point me to a good website or place to buy one? and also what size ton to get?
A Hi-Lift jack can be extremely dangerous if you don't use it properly. Also, you may have seen some videos of people using them, but using one to pull a stuck Jeep out of the mud is dirty, sweaty grunt work...just so you know.

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Had somebody sit on the front bumper that weighs around 150 and it does lower about an inch but still don't look too bad, not enough to go adding spacers(be different if i like to do stuff like that but i don't lol). The winch i was looking at is only a 6000 winch and weighs 79 pounds plus the mounting plate weight. Its all so confusing lol but i still need to know how much a come along that's capable of pulling a jeep a few feet. Cuz if their not to high i will still like to get one, since it will take a while for me to save up 500 bucks for the winch and mounting plate
I wouldn't put a winch rated for less than 8,000 lbs on my Jeep. Anything less and you're risking the following:

1. Not being able to pull your own, or someone elses's, Jeep out of a mudhole.

2. Severe bodily injury if the cable snaps, rears back, and hunts your ass down like a Cobra. Good reason to always use a line damper...coat, blanket, etc to weigh the line down so it won't whiplash as bad if it does snap.

If you do decide to get a winch, consider one with synthetic cable rather than wire cable. Synthetic is much lighter and safer (again, if properly used).

Here are some handy links:

Synthetic rope vs. Steel cable
Massive Multi-Winch Shootout - Four Wheeler Magazine
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Old 02-29-2012, 09:07 AM   #13
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okay, i actually just watched a video of a hi lift and was leaning to it since i thought it would be safer using straps or a chain. so how is it dangerous because, no i don't know how to use one LOL

i found one at homedepot rated 8000lbs, still need help finding a come along strong enough if i get it instead. But yea for only 80$ for the hi lift (guessing a come along is around same price) i will get it first then if i do decide i need an electric winch i'll have both on hand at all times.
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Did you by chance read the thread I posted in its entirety? I posted it because the OP started off with the idea of using a hiLift and was then talked out of it. In the process they were given some great information for alternatives.

Like you, I'm just starting out and don't have $500+ to put towards a winch I'm not sure I'll ever use. So, I started looking at alternatives as backups, in the event that I ever need anything. But, after reading several posts, I think I'll just wait for a winch setup and synthetic line. Quadratec just launched a new line that seems pretty good, check it out.

Q-Series Winches by Quadratec - Quadratec
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yea, i read it yesterday, but still would have to save a while if i was to buy hitch and mobile winch.

I'm finding 4-5 ton come-alongs for only $20? does that sound right? if so i'll get that instead

Are their any local stores like lowes, home depot, etc that sales 4-5 ton come-alongs and that are not junk? I don't wan't a crappy one if its gonna be pulling alot of weight. If not i found one off amazon that i will prob order,
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got the hi lift jack and the kit for it, now i'm curious what is the best way to store it inside the jeep lol its 48inches so the only way i have come up with is to have back seat folded up, but don't really like that and was wondering if theirs a way i just hadn't thought of besides mounting it on the outside of the jeep.
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got the hi lift jack and the kit for it, now i'm curious what is the best way to store it inside the jeep lol its 48inches so the only way i have come up with is to have back seat folded up, but don't really like that and was wondering if theirs a way i just hadn't thought of besides mounting it on the outside of the jeep.
Jimbo turned me onto this bad boy...he's got one in his rig:

Jackguard.com

Just make sure you don't lunge for it suddenly if you get pulled over by a Trooper.

I keep my jack inside my Jeep. Mainly cuz, here in WI, road salt would trash it pretty fast. If you decide to mount it outside, make sure you keep it well-oiled.

Here's another inside mounting option (check to see if it'll work with your length Hi-Lift):

Quadratec Exclusive JKHLJM2D11 - Sport Cage Hi-Lift® Jack Mount for 11-12 Jeep® Wrangler JK 2 Door - Quadratec
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i like the braket mounting, dunno bout $80 for 2 pieces of little metal though
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i like the braket mounting, dunno bout $80 for 2 pieces of little metal though
Just don't leave the Hi-Lift loose in your Jeep. If you get into a wreck, it'll turn your rig into a blender.
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Jimbo turned me onto this bad boy...he's got one in his rig:

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KB, where would you mount it with those brackets?
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KB, where would you mount it with those brackets?
The Jackguard is just a case. It comes with metal straps, but I'm not sure where you'd mount them. In my rig, the case will mount on the floor, strapped to the rear seat rails, and in the back, strapped behind the seatbelt retaining enclosures (I've got a fastback soft top, so I couldn't use the brackets I posted the link to in the post above).

One other thing that works, at least with my 4-door, is to slide the Hi-Lift (48") UNDER the rear seats as-is, with no case. It'll fit all the way in, directly behind the foremost seat uprights. Just open the rear door and slide it in. Don't know if that would work with the Jackguard or not, but if you wrapped it up in something and strapped it down to the uprights so it wouldn't clink, nobody would even know it was there.
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Not sure if that last part made sense the way I described it, so here's a photo of what I'm talking about. Hi-Lift slid under the seat (it fits all the way; I just pulled it out to take a photo):

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