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Old 10-28-2013, 09:21 PM   #1
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flat fenders NO lift and 35 inch tires

So after doing a little research today, im just curious how many of you are running flat fenders with NO LIFT and 35 inch tires? if you are im curious to see and hear what size wheels, tires , and brand fenders. how does it ride for daily driver use/ and how good would it be for light off roading?

since i am approaching delivery very soon, im just thinking things out abit. while i was originally thinking 2.5 inch lift, when i found out 35s can be done without a lift it sort of sparked my interest a tad.

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Not only can it be done, it can be done with good results. Bushwacker has a blog on how they threw their flares on a stock JK and wheeled it with 35" KM2tires and it barely rubbed. I personally think it's a great way to go if you want 35"s and maintain a LCOG. Plus, looks pretty good I think. I'm personally doing just that, except I "technically" have a leveling kit, so I will have a bit more room, already have my flares on, I'll post when I get the 35" KM2 tires on.

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I am running that exact setup right now. I have factory trimmed fenders and am running GY Duratrac 315/75/16 on Fuel Boost wheels. I had to trim my pinch seem but you won't have to worry about that as yours will already be trimmed. I think that it rides great as a daily driver and handles the same as it did with the stock wheels and tires on. I just put a Oil/Tranny skid on this last weekend and I went on a difficult run yesterday with my local Jeep club and was able to hang with the "big boys" except for a couple of really slick muddy trails going back down that everyone was sliding around on. I took the bypass on those just cause I didn't want to slide into anything.
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Not only can it be done, it can be done with good results. Bushwacker has a blog on how they threw their flares on a stock JK and wheeled it with 35" KM2tires and it barely rubbed. I personally think it's a great way to go if you want 35"s and maintain a LCOG. Plus, looks pretty good I think. I'm personally doing just that, except I "technically" have a leveling kit, so I will have a bit more room, already have my flares on, I'll post when I get the 35" KM2 tires on.
what's an LCOG ? what size wheels are you using ? i'd love to do 17s with 35s but once again this is all still research for me


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I am running that exact setup right now. I have factory trimmed fenders and am running GY Duratrac 315/75/16 on Fuel Boost wheels. I had to trim my pinch seem but you won't have to worry about that as yours will already be trimmed. I think that it rides great as a daily driver and handles the same as it did with the stock wheels and tires on. I just put a Oil/Tranny skid on this last weekend and I went on a difficult run yesterday with my local Jeep club and was able to hang with the "big boys" except for a couple of really slick muddy trails going back down that everyone was sliding around on. I took the bypass on those just cause I didn't want to slide into anything.
yours looks good !!! and thats just 35s with no lift.
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My experience was different. 2014 JKUR with Bushwacker flares, 35" KM2's on AEV Pintler wheels and no lift. When I ramped it, it rubbed hard enough to act as a break. I think the Bushwacker blog is misleading as individual results will vary. I've since added 1.75" bump stops in the rear and a 2" OME lift. Still rubs. Moving up to 2.75" bump stops next. I put 1.25" JKS bumps up front and had about 3/8" inch clearance when I ramped it after the lift. I think if you are going to stay the street or do very light trails you will be ok, but if you plan to flex it out...

I love my combination of Bushwackers, 2" Old Man Emu, 35" KM2 and Pintler.
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what's an LCOG ? what size wheels are you using ? i'd love to do 17s with 35s but once again this is all still research for me




yours looks good !!! and thats just 35s with no lift.
Yes, no lift or leveling kit and the Duratracs which measure a little under 35" I went with 16" wheels to have more tire sidewall and because the wheels and tires are cheaper than 17s
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This is all excellent info !!! i was at first thinking of doing a 2.5 in lift.... but after stumbling across someone commenting about they don't have a lift and they threw on some 35s with some new wheels. i thought why not find out more info.

my jeep will be mainly used to drive on the streets, i will however try some light trails, possibly the beach when end up going to jeep beach week in daytona beach FL next year.

has anyone done 17 inch wheels with no lift and just the BW flat fenders ? while i don't mind the flats i was originally thinking of pocket style ones, then i also seen the rugged ride hurricane fenders. while they look OEM they don't look so bad.
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Teraflex 1.5" leveling kit (spacers) and 35x12.50r17.


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Teraflex 1.5" leveling kit (spacers) and 35x12.50r17.


that looks sweet !!! but was the leveling kit really needed for that set up especially with flat fenders?
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This is all excellent info !!! i was at first thinking of doing a 2.5 in lift.... but after stumbling across someone commenting about they don't have a lift and they threw on some 35s with some new wheels. i thought why not find out more info. my jeep will be mainly used to drive on the streets, i will however try some light trails, possibly the beach when end up going to jeep beach week in daytona beach FL next year. has anyone done 17 inch wheels with no lift and just the BW flat fenders ? while i don't mind the flats i was originally thinking of pocket style ones, then i also seen the rugged ride hurricane fenders. while they look OEM they don't look so bad.

Yes. I had the bw flat fender flares and kumho venture 35"s on 17" aev savegres I believe. Absolutely no rub and plenty of space for travel. I later put on aev dual sport 2.5" lift but really didn't need it for what I did. (Commute, some camping, shoreline fishing, towing the Utv etc). If I were to go back I would just get the fender flares and the 35" tires. When I rolled around with that set up for a few months before the lift, I had plenty of people ask how high my lift was even though it was stock. They all thought I had a 3-4" lift. And no I didn't have a leveling kit and it looked great.

I have since moved on from the jk but I loved it for sure. My brother in law got a jk and I convinced him to just get the 35's, fender flares, and skip the lift. If I did it again honestly I would just chop the stock flares and save the $400. Chopped ones look great and fit 35"s without a problem.
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I'm running 315/75/16 Duratracs - they measure 33.75". I have the Bushwacker flares and I was rubbing slightly on the rear on the front wheel well where the Bushwacker flare is molded to go into the wheel well.

The thing is, it was rubbing plastic that stuck into the wheel well, it had almost an inch of room behind the plastic before it would rub the tub. I almost trimmed it, but then I came across the 10A spring upgrade and did that instead. No more rubbing and it leveled it too for about $150!
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Interesting that with 33's your tires rubbed. Mine didn't but I had the jku, and aev savegres. Don't know if your back spacing was different but mine never rubbed at full turn.
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that looks sweet !!! but was the leveling kit really needed for that set up especially with flat fenders?
Probably not, flat fenders, stubby bumpers, 4.5 or lower BS wheels would've been enough.
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35s will rub with no lift when offroad. Don't even think about disco'ing.
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Yes. I had the bw flat fender flares and kumho venture 35"s on 17" aev savegres I believe. Absolutely no rub and plenty of space for travel. I later put on aev dual sport 2.5" lift but really didn't need it for what I did. (Commute, some camping, shoreline fishing, towing the Utv etc). If I were to go back I would just get the fender flares and the 35" tires. When I rolled around with that set up for a few months before the lift, I had plenty of people ask how high my lift was even though it was stock. They all thought I had a 3-4" lift. And no I didn't have a leveling kit and it looked great.

I have since moved on from the jk but I loved it for sure. My brother in law got a jk and I convinced him to just get the 35's, fender flares, and skip the lift. If I did it again honestly I would just chop the stock flares and save the $400. Chopped ones look great and fit 35"s without a problem.
i'll be basically doing the same as you... taking it out here and there, possibly towing something, and so fourth. while i like the lifted look, not sure if im gonna go that route now.

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Probably not, flat fenders, stubby bumpers, 4.5 or lower BS wheels would've been enough.
so it wouldnt be possibly to run a full aftermarket front bumper ? only stubbys? bahh im not too fond of the stubby look
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My avatar is with 35's but before we installed the lift. Did get some rubbing a few times but nothing too bad. Several of the folks we were riding with already thought I had a lift. The flat fender flares make a big difference.
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Interesting that with 33's your tires rubbed. Mine didn't but I had the jku, and aev savegres. Don't know if your back spacing was different but mine never rubbed at full turn.
I'm not running 33' - they are listed as 35's but measure 33.75" on the Jeep. I also have a JKU, and they aren't rubbing from turning, they were rubbing when I had a load in the rear and hit a bump. It would bottom out rub on the front side of the rear wheel well. I needed more lift or stiffer shocks in the rear. I didn't want a stiffer ride though, so the 10A Rubi spring were perfect.

Never had rubbing on the front at all, even before the new springs.
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I've been thinking about this very subject for our '14 JKU Rubi X. The question I have is about the situation that Raiderfan001 is talking about. How does the setup do when disconnected and wheeling?
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I've been thinking about this very subject for our '14 JKU Rubi X. The question I have is about the situation that Raiderfan001 is talking about. How does the setup do when disconnected and wheeling?
I was running 35s and no lift for a couple months. Even went offroad a few times that way. With the stock fenders on I was rubbing them when I wasn't disco'd. And I wasn't even flexing much at all. So I then just took the fenders off and went fenderless for a bit until my flat fenders and lift came in. I was then able to disco and not rub as easily but it still didn't take much at all to rub. When you take your fenders off there is still a piece of metal sticking out as seen below. I rubbed it a few times but it is pretty smooth so no damage done. If there was a fender there I imagine it'd get ripped off pretty easily.

Also these are 35x12.5x15 KM2s which measure out to about an actual 34". If you get a tire that runs closer to 35" it's only going to be worse. So if you want to run 35s with no lift then you only have yourself to blame when you take it offroad and rip off your new flat fenders.
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so what is it then ?? some say it can be done, and some are claiming you can't... very mixed thoughts here. or is it you shouldn't do it and try off roading? but its alright just driving around on paved roads?
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Driving around on paved roads is fine. The only thing you'll rub is the plastic air dam when turning. Solved with either a dremel or removing the air dam.
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so what is it then ?? some say it can be done, and some are claiming you can't... very mixed thoughts here. or is it you shouldn't do it and try off roading? but its alright just driving around on paved roads?
I'm telling you this from speaking to real people and watching real jeeps in person. It WILL work. Stock bumpers, after market, doesn't matter. Cut your pinch seams and take off your air dam (pull it off, really) and your golden. The only place you might rub is very inner wheel well or flare lip but neither one of those matters as that will only be in high articulation zones. Flat flares dwarf 32-33" tires, and make a 35" look perfect. Obviously your not going to have the greater performance due to being on stock suspension but you will still flex it out well and it will still feel good and you will be a lot better off than a stock setup.
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And i'm speaking from actual experience that 35s and no lift is not optimal. Unless you're just driving to the mall then who gives a sh*t.
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So I found the Bushwacker Blog Post and they make it seem that this is doable. A couple of quotes from the article.

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...this required us to trim our Trail Armor Rocker Panel and Mopar rock rail to match.
So would the rock rail need to be trimmed on a 10A or X package?
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The Rubicon felt sluggish on the road pulling 35′s with a 4.10 gear ratio, and automatic transmission; although it did manage around 18mpg on the way down.
I wonder what this would do to our Jeep with 3.73s?
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The only signs of rubbing were from smudge marks on the driver side front splash shield. We speculate that the tread of the KM2 M/Tís was just enough to rub, but a 35″x12.50 A/T like Falkenís Wildpeak would clear perfectly.
This is an interesting point given that a tire's actual dimensions frequently vary from the common size we refer to them as.
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OP, here is some food for thought:

Assume it WILL work but some rub is possible / probable. Then consider this:

If you are going to drop that kind of cash on a new set of wheels & tires, why not add a Rancho 2" lift with the 9000's? The difference in handling on a stock JKU with 32's is truly noticeable. The front springs are excellent. For <$400 & the ease of install, it should be part of your upgrade.

You will be happy. And you will rub less.
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So I found the Bushwacker Blog Post and they make it seem that this is doable. A couple of quotes from the article. So would the rock rail need to be trimmed on a 10A or X package? I wonder what this would do to our Jeep with 3.73s? This is an interesting point given that a tire's actual dimensions frequently vary from the common size we refer to them as.
To answer some of these questions: Yes pinch seams and rock rails need to be cut, it's prudent lifted or not. They say sluggish because all of their jeeps are probably over geared. MANY like the 4:10/35" combo, most are fine with 3.72 and some even are fine with 3.21. Yes, tire sizes vary, Km2 run small but their tread is deeper. Through on all terrains or Duratracs of the same size and less rubbing will occur.

As for the last person who posted about the 2" kit, that's a great idea and I think (to the OP) you should do this. I have Hd coils which has me a little higher, you can say 2", and I think this with flat flares and 35"s is a perfect combo. Better on road and off road ride. No reason not to do it down the line.
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And i'm speaking from actual experience that 35s and no lift is not optimal. Unless you're just driving to the mall then who gives a sh*t.
This can vary based on your stock spring height too. Don't discount the 'no lift' option completely. I have 'no lift' but I did upgrade my springs to 10A springs which gave me extra height. Nothing else changed out, just springs. Since you have a two door you would gain height on even my stock springs I took out.

I did this because I could get the 10A springs for $150 on eBay. They made a good ride too.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/10a...on-258462.html

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