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Old 07-19-2013, 09:53 AM   #31
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People have posted that the Infinity system was better than the Alpine.

Best way to upgrade your system if you are an audiophile... rip everything out and start from scratch. If you want good sound and the ability to hear every note with the top off, you'll have lots of work to do
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There are a million and one threads on this subject, but the bottom line is that you either need to work downstream of the factory amp or tear it all out. The design of the premium system made things harder than they needed to be. You simply can't keep the stock HU and swap in a better aftermarket amp. The processing is done in the factory amp, so if you pull it, you will lose your EQ controls.

You can upgrade speakers and keep the stock amp, but the stock speakers are all 2 ohms...which can be an issue on its own. I upgraded my speakers, and while the sound is much cleaner, I actually lost a bit of volume and bass because I'm using 4 ohm 6.5"'s (as is what most aftermarket speakers are).

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I don't have an issue listening to music on Sirius with the Alpine in my 2013. I can't tell the difference between cds/mp3s/Sirius, honestly. I'm not doubting that there are people who can, but I think the average person has a hard time distinguishing.

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I am still in the trying to buy a 2013 or 2013 Rubicon. If I just go for the standard stereo in the Rubicon without upgrading to one of the better factory options, what am I in for? I know that is totally subjective but I am wondering if one of the upgraded options sounds better or only has more features.

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I plan to upgrade with better speakers, polyfill and probably outboard amps. Does anyone know of better tweeters that are a direct fit in the dash tombstones?

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Thanks but I think those include the tombstones. I just want to replace the tweeter inside. It looks like the Polks are a good option.
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I'm not loving the upgrade Alpine in my 2013 JKU. Can someone recommend an stereo upgrade? Trying to keep it under/around $1K but I adore this Jeep and plan to keep it awhile so could go a bit higher.
I changed out all 7 speakers (4 ohms and marine proof), put in a 5-chan amp under the drivers seat, new JL sub in the back, remote control in the console for the sub, put in a PAC and LOC. I did not remove my 130N and have retained all functions. Everything was done downstream of the HU. My system ROCKS. I can crank it up to where your ears will hurt and the speakers do not distort or crack. Here is a list of what I did. You should be able to do this for about $1200 at an audio place, installed.

o (2) 6.5” Hybrid Audio Imagine Speakers for Dash 161-2
o (2) 6.5” ARC Audio Speakers for Light Bar XD1602
o (2) Hybrid Audio Tweeters going into Dash Tweeters (from above spkr)
o Kenwood 5-Chan Amplifier under Passenger Seat x700-5
o 8” JL Audio Subwoofer 8W1v2
o Stinger 8 GA Pro wiring kit SPK5681R
o Stinger 12’ 4chan RCA SI4412
o PAC RCA Line Level Controller LC1
o AAMP Gold RCA Couplers GRCAS
o PAC 2ch Adj LOC with Auto Remote SOEMT
o PAC 4ch Line Output Converter SOEM4
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i have a 2008 with the cheapest sound system but it sounds fine
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My '09 has the base system and sounds like a walrus, seal, dolphin, and whale all fighting underwater.

I have been running with earbuds in until I can figure out exactly what I want to replace it all with.
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I changed out all 7 speakers (4 ohms and marine proof), put in a 5-chan amp under the drivers seat, new JL sub in the back, remote control in the console for the sub, put in a PAC and LOC. I did not remove my 130N and have retained all functions. Everything was done downstream of the HU. My system ROCKS. I can crank it up to where your ears will hurt and the speakers do not distort or crack. Here is a list of what I did. You should be able to do this for about $1200 at an audio place, installed.

o (2) 6.5” Hybrid Audio Imagine Speakers for Dash 161-2
o (2) 6.5” ARC Audio Speakers for Light Bar XD1602
o (2) Hybrid Audio Tweeters going into Dash Tweeters (from above spkr)
o Kenwood 5-Chan Amplifier under Passenger Seat x700-5
o 8” JL Audio Subwoofer 8W1v2
o Stinger 8 GA Pro wiring kit SPK5681R
o Stinger 12’ 4chan RCA SI4412
o PAC RCA Line Level Controller LC1
o AAMP Gold RCA Couplers GRCAS
o PAC 2ch Adj LOC with Auto Remote SOEMT
o PAC 4ch Line Output Converter SOEM4
I thought you installed it yourself for $1200?

Regardless....the one thing I've been trying to do is find a way to retain the stock HU, and use a plug and play amp to upgrade the factory premium amp. The Kicker version is close, but not quite there.
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Good memory. I did install it myself and it cost about $950 in parts. The audio place around my house said they would install it for around $250. I'm cheap and know how to do it, so I did it myself. I can tell you this. I probably should have paid the $250 for what I did. It took me a complete day to do it all. I pulled out the dash, changed out a lot of wiring, pulled out the drivers seat for the amp, poly-filled the speakers, etc. etc. It was a lot of work but worth it. I was lucky, as soon as we bought the Jeep, my wife listened to the radio and immediately said this has to go.
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I don't have an issue listening to music on Sirius with the Alpine in my 2013. I can't tell the difference between cds/mp3s/Sirius, honestly. I'm not doubting that there are people who can, but I think the average person has a hard time distinguishing.
Time to get your hearing checked (being truthful here). If you can't hear the quality difference there is something wrong with your hearing. FM sounds better than Sirius and CD's should sound superior to both.

Again, some people have gone through their lives and not experienced good equipment... I've played the same CD's 100's of times in my previous car stereo system and I couldn't listen to them in this one as there were layers upon layers of music missing and what was audible was not correctly reproduced.
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I installed it myself and it cost about $950 in parts. The audio place around my house said they would install it for around $250. I'm cheap and know how to do it, so I did it myself. I can tell you this. I probably should have paid the $250 for what I did. It took me a complete day to do it all. I pulled out the dash, changed out a lot of wiring, pulled out the drivers seat for the amp, poly-filled the speakers, etc. etc. It was a lot of work but worth it. I was lucky, as soon as we bought the Jeep, my wife listened to the radio and immediately said this has to go.
Oh, OK....your other post reads as if the parts were $1200 alone...at least that is how I took it.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/how...ml#post3761134

The one thing I don't want to do is splice wires or add anything under the seat.
When I swapped my 130 for an rbz, it was 100% plug and play. Installing Lockpick was plug and play.....and when I ran my reverse cam, I ran my power and ground back to the Lockpick unit to avoid splicing wires. I polyfilled everything when I swapped speakers....and I'll say this much....when you do the front speakers, pull the entire speaker pod instead of just the speaker.

There is a Kicker amp that is a plug and play replacement, but it does not power the sub. Some have had success with Dodge Nitro amps....but that was awhile ago. I wish there was an easier way to upgrade the factory system.
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Your right again. When I purchased all the parts, it cost me $950 but I got it at cost since my buddy has an audio store. With his normal markup, it would have cost me about $1200, so I told others that it would cost about $1200 for what I got. I know if I shopped around, I might have been able to find all the stuff for less. He was the one that told me what he would put in my Jeep since he had done many others. I went with his advise and I am glad I did. He told me $250 to install, but that might have been a price for me. I worked for about 9 hours and $250 sounded good after I got done. I don't like splicing wires as well. I rewired everything with better wires as well. It is too bad that the Kicker doesn't power the sub. Jeep has not made this easy for us.

I guess the bottom line with what I got would cost a person about $1500 with installation, not $1200. Thanks for the clarification.
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Time to get your hearing checked (being truthful here). If you can't hear the quality difference there is something wrong with your hearing. FM sounds better than Sirius and CD's should sound superior to both.

Again, some people have gone through their lives and not experienced good equipment... I've played the same CD's 100's of times in my previous car stereo system and I couldn't listen to them in this one as there were layers upon layers of music missing and what was audible was not correctly reproduced.
sirius definitely sounds better than fm.
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Audio gear isn't as expensive as it once was... seeing as most (or all) of it is made in China now.

I remember buying Kicker and Orion gear 20-25 years ago... was made in the USA at the time. Stuff was expensive back then.

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sirius definitely sounds better than fm.
It's not just me, read the thread below:

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No it does not. lol.
It sounds fine. It sounds much better than factory stereos of the early 90s. It could sound better but i didnt buy my jeep for that.
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Sirius blows...but some channels sound worse than others.....almost like AM radio.
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Sirius blows...but some channels sound worse than others.....almost like AM radio.
They compress the less popular channels' signal more, so the more popular channels will generally sound better than the others.
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It sounds fine. It sounds much better than factory stereos of the early 90s. It could sound better but i didnt buy my jeep for that.
That's great that you are happy with it. You can mod something else. I cringe every time I put my stereo on as I've always had excellent equipment in my vehicles and know what good sound is. My Base system is worse than the AM/FM 4 x 5w factory stereo system in my 84' Olds.

The Alpine is a little better than the base, but aftermarket stuff is far superior. I'm going to rip that junk out and throw the speakers in the garbage. HU will be in the basement in case I sell my Jeep.
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Time to get your hearing checked (being truthful here). If you can't hear the quality difference there is something wrong with your hearing. FM sounds better than Sirius and CD's should sound superior to both.

Again, some people have gone through their lives and not experienced good equipment... I've played the same CD's 100's of times in my previous car stereo system and I couldn't listen to them in this one as there were layers upon layers of music missing and what was audible was not correctly reproduced.
I've had my hearing check recently. I have no issues with my hearing. My brother says he can tell the difference between vinyl and cd. I can't. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with my hearing. I have a better sense of smell than most people. Does that mean that there is something wrong with another person's nose?

Some senses for people are just better than others. I'm glad that I can't tell the difference, because it makes me happy with the sound quality that I have. I don't need to spend the money to change anything.
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I've had my hearing check recently. I have no issues with my hearing. My brother says he can tell the difference between vinyl and cd. I can't. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with my hearing. I have a better sense of smell than most people. Does that mean that there is something wrong with another person's nose?

Some senses for people are just better than others. I'm glad that I can't tell the difference, because it makes me happy with the sound quality that I have. I don't need to spend the money to change anything.
I don't want to be "that guy", but when you say you can't tell the difference between vinyl and cd, does that mean you don't hear the pops and hiss that occurs on records or just the fidelity difference?

Somedays I wish I couldn't tell the difference, then I'd be happy with what I've got. However, growing up in a family of musicians, I tend to have a pretty discriminate ear.

In the end, the truth is that if you are satisfied with how it sounds, that is one less area you have to address and can spend that money elsewhere.
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I don't want to be "that guy", but when you say you can't tell the difference between vinyl and cd, does that mean you don't hear the pops and hiss that occurs on records or just the fidelity difference?

Somedays I wish I couldn't tell the difference, then I'd be happy with what I've got. However, growing up in a family of musicians, I tend to have a pretty discriminate ear.

In the end, the truth is that if you are satisfied with how it sounds, that is one less area you have to address and can spend that money elsewhere.
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got the 430 in my 13 it is absolute crap the sat sounds so muffled that you would swear that you were wearing hearing protection
with FM it sounds a little better
and when playing from a CD or off the drive (not MP3) it sounds about what you would expect from a base eg bottom of the line system
when I ordered my rubicon the dealer told me that i could not get it with the base (130) system
lucky me the dealer ate the cost of the upgrade if i had payed extra for this shite i would be very disappointed
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Oh, OK....your other post reads as if the parts were $1200 alone...at least that is how I took it.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/how...ml#post3761134

The one thing I don't want to do is splice wires or add anything under the seat.
When I swapped my 130 for an rbz, it was 100% plug and play. Installing Lockpick was plug and play.....and when I ran my reverse cam, I ran my power and ground back to the Lockpick unit to avoid splicing wires. I polyfilled everything when I swapped speakers....and I'll say this much....when you do the front speakers, pull the entire speaker pod instead of just the speaker.

There is a Kicker amp that is a plug and play replacement, but it does not power the sub. Some have had success with Dodge Nitro amps....but that was awhile ago. I wish there was an easier way to upgrade the factory system.
I did the Kicker Amp, and Kicker front & soundbar speaker upgrades to the 130N HU

I can crank it without distortion, and there is definitely more volume...but not as much as I would expect from a $450 amp. Just had to keep those steering wheel controls & Uconnect!!! There is no sub in my system (although the kicker amp will power one if you want to go that route).
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I did the Kicker Amp, and Kicker front & soundbar speaker upgrades to the 130N HU

I can crank it without distortion, and there is definitely more volume...but not as much as I would expect from a $450 amp. Just had to keep those steering wheel controls & Uconnect!!! There is no sub in my system (although the kicker amp will power one if you want to go that route).
I wondered about how much of an upgrade it was....at that price. I'm with you, I want all my factory controls to work...I want total plug and play.

As for the sub, unfortunately, if you have the premium system, it won't power the factory amp. They make another system with a separate amp for a 10" Kicker sub that goes in the rear, but not one that easy works with a factory premium system.
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Thanks but I think those include the tombstones. I just want to replace the tweeter inside. It looks like the Polks are a good option.
I'm interested in these...I checked the installation instructions and can confirm they are the tweeters alone, the stock "tombstone" remains in tact. p.s. the installation instructions make this install look like an absolute breeze...

Goonsquad, can you comment on the quality and sound of these tweeters, call me whatever, but I'm skeptical on the fact that they aren't name brand...

But i will say that I am very interested because they seem to be catered to this application and again, installation looks like cake

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That's great that you are happy with it. You can mod something else. I cringe every time I put my stereo on as I've always had excellent equipment in my vehicles and know what good sound is. My Base system is worse than the AM/FM 4 x 5w factory stereo system in my 84' Olds.

The Alpine is a little better than the base, but aftermarket stuff is far superior. I'm going to rip that junk out and throw the speakers in the garbage. HU will be in the basement in case I sell my Jeep.
Well i'd mod it but it just seems like i'd be better off modding other stuff. I'd love for it to sound better, but it is better than a lot of the vehicles i've driven, stock.

Im more concerned with getting it running again right now.. :P
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p.s...thought i'd add my two cents regarding my premium sound package...

i listen to almost exclusively EDM and i listen to it at volume = 38. in some instances, i can hear the speakers bottom out, almost like a popping sound. I might investigate the super tweeters that i mention above, and im looking at 4 JL audio C2-650 6.5" speakers for the dash and the sound bar, and will probably retain the alpine 8" for now, but generally i think they are ok for what they are, a stock system. an audiophile will surely replace them, but they work for the average listener i'd say...

Ideal set up would be JL audio C5's all around and a JL audio 8" W7 in the back!
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I also have the premium Alpine setup with a 430N. I'm content with the sound, although I know it could be much better. The quality of Sirius is definately less than the other ones. I also would have liked to have a separate control for the subwoofer. Thanks to everyone for sharing your upgrade stories...like many folks, I like to keep things stock, but will also be changing speakers later on!

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