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Old 05-16-2012, 08:37 AM   #1
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Forced to regear?

Just got the AEV 2.5" lift and 33" Duratracs installed and now my 6 speed manual Jeep requires downshifting on the slightest incline at interstate speeds (!). Even on an apparently level road acceleration is almost non-existant in 6th gear.

This apparent lack of power sucked with stock tires but I got used to it. But now...it's so bad I don't even want to get on the freeway with it.

Only solution is to regear the 3.21 rear to something else... but what??

I almost pulled the trigger on a 4.88 but after thinking about it I also don't want to be going down the freeway 65 mph at 4k RPM's either....

4.10 maybe, but that's a bit pricier because there are no aftermarket 4.10's available.

Suggestions - other than a new jeep? Would a 4.88 be *that* bad?

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Remember, if you are going by the charts it's mounted tire size and not listed.

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Old 05-16-2012, 08:50 AM   #3
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Yep you can pretty much kiss 6th gear goodbye. I've got 3.21s as well with 33x12.5R15 KM2s and they weigh 58lbs per tire. The jeep drives just fine around town and on the interstate using 5th only.

6th gear was pretty much a limited option to use with the lightest stock set up of either the 255 SRAs or the 225s. You'd have to down shift going up a gill even with those.

4.88s would be ideal for you around town with that size but you'd be better off with 4.56s if you do a lot of highway driving. 4.88s will be better if you decide to go bigger later though. Yukon makes very good complete gear sets.
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Yep you can pretty much kiss 6th gear goodbye. I've got 3.21s as well with 33x12.5R15 KM2s and they weigh 58lbs per tire. The jeep drives just fine around town and on the interstate using 5th only.

6th gear was pretty much a limited option to use with the lightest stock set up of either the 255 SRAs or the 225s. You'd have to down shift going up a gill even with those.

4.88s would be ideal for you around town with that size but you'd be better off with 4.56s if you do a lot of highway driving. 4.88s will be better if you decide to go bigger later though. Yukon makes very good complete gear sets.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:54 AM   #5
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What year is your Jeep tgbrad? 2 or 4 dr?
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2 door.

I have to say, I was not expecting such a degradation of performance. I mean it's really bad.

I went from stock 17" alloys with SR-As to 33"x12.5x15 wheels with Duratracx.
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2 door.

I have to say, I was not expecting such a degradation of performance. I mean it's really bad.

I went from stock 17" alloys with SR-As to 33"x12.5x15 wheels with Duratracx.
Surprised. Lots of folks run that setup with no complaints.
Assuming it has more to do with why type of driving you do ?
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No, it totally blows on the freeway...

Around town it's not so bad. I kid you not, in a 55 mph zone going through Johnson City last night I was going 60 and had to downshift into 4th gear to safely pass an 18 wheeler. I never had to go that low with stock wheels/tires.
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That sucks! I have my stock 17" rims with 33" tires. My JKU came with 3:73 gears and is an auto. I have no problems. I know when I step up to 35" I will re-gear to 4:56 gears.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:10 AM   #10
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I'm assuming you live in NC?
What else is on your Jeep? (Weight wise)
What year? 4.88's would be really aggressive for 33's on a 2012.
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I have a 2010 4 door with 3.21s and 33x12.5R15 Duratracs, and my power is actually very, very good.

There are two things you need to do to feel the same way.

First, quit using 6th gear. Manual transmissions for many years were "5 speeds," so stick with that. That still leaves you with plenty of gears and you'll be a lot happier on the highway.

Second, when driving around town, don't upshift until at least 3k RPMs. If you need some extra power, don't upshift until 3500, 4k, or even 4500 RPMs. When merging on the highway, I spin up to 4500 RPMs every time unless I can see the highway is deserted.

In short, you're not giving your engine the RPMs it needs to perform like its supposed to. Make those two changes and you'll be happy.

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I kid you not, in a 55 mph zone going through Johnson City last night I was going 60 and had to downshift into 4th gear to safely pass an 18 wheeler.
That sounds right to me. In fact, at 60 mph, I probably would have left it in 4th gear to begin with unless I was in a flat, open area where I knew I could "cruise" for awhile. And even if I had previously upshifted to 5th, downshifting to 4th isn't a big deal from there. Bottomline: At 60 mph, your RPMs are way, way too low to be in 6th gear and are borderline for 5th gear. At highway speeds, I want my RPMs around 2400 (for cruising) to 2800 (for navigating through traffic, general passing, etc.) to even 3k plus (for emergency moves, passing uphill, etc.).

You don't need to regear, but if you wanted to 4.88s would be too deep if you spend anytime on the highway. 4.56 would be better IMO.


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That sucks! I have my stock 17" rims with 33" tires. My JKU came with 3:73 gears and is an auto. I have no problems. I know when I step up to 35" I will re-gear to 4:56 gears.
For a pre-2012 auto, you could go to 5.13 on stock tires. It'd be a touch aggressive, but 4.88s would be nice. If I had a pre-2012 auto and went to 35s, I'd be looking at 5.13s. JMHO.
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I have 4.10's but.... I am finding it more comfortable at higher Rpms with bigger tires.
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all this gearing and i still wish i would have gone with 538s pre 2012. sore subject
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You will need to know a couple things about your rig to use this calculator.

1. Exact tires size
2. Tranny
3. Transfer Case

OOPS I'll try again.
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Gear Ratio Calculator

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Regearing can be preference also. If your a mall crawler, dont sweat it with 4:10. If ya want some pep and fuel economy back bump it down to 5:13 or something lower. Ive known guys to run 3:73 with 35's and an automatic, there fine with it, I may not go that route, but everyone is different in there wants and needs
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Man, that is one awesome calculator. I don't know any of the required info but I'm suitably impressed nonetheless.

Who makes this stuff??
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According to the above chart, it looks like a tossup between 4.10 and 4.54....

70% of my driving is under 55, 30% is over.

4.54 is about $150 cheaper....

Heads or tails - you call... But I can't bear the 3.21 - something has to give.
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But I can't bear the 3.21 - something has to give.
Umm . . . . Have you tried what I wrote above? The 3.21s do fine in that circumstance. Specifically:

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I have a 2010 4 door with 3.21s and 33x12.5R15 Duratracs, and my power is actually very, very good.

There are two things you need to do to feel the same way.

First, quit using 6th gear. Manual transmissions for many years were "5 speeds," so stick with that. That still leaves you with plenty of gears and you'll be a lot happier on the highway.

Second, when driving around town, don't upshift until at least 3k RPMs. If you need some extra power, don't upshift until 3500, 4k, or even 4500 RPMs. When merging on the highway, I spin up to 4500 RPMs every time unless I can see the highway is deserted.

In short, you're not giving your engine the RPMs it needs to perform like its supposed to. Make those two changes and you'll be happy.
Most of what a regearing does for you is raise your RPMs at a given speed, so by just waiting to upshift you're "simulating" most of the benefit offered by a regear anyway--for free. The only beneift you'd be missing would be that deeper gears are easier on the clutch when starting, but I don't gather you're having problems with stalling or lugging at stop lights. I know I don't, and I have the same engine, trans, gears, and tires you do.

Assuming you nevertheless want a regear and you've got the $1200 to $2000 to do it . . . .

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According to the above chart, it looks like a tossup between 4.10 and 4.54....
4.56. If you're going to spend over a thousand dollars, don't go to a "stock" ratio (Rubicons all came with 4.10s pre-2012).
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You have a 10 correct?
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:20 PM   #22
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I am on my way to add 2.5 Traflex,1 inch body spacer with 35 inch General Grabber.I have a 2012 Automatic JK...My dealer says 4.88 is the best ...What do you think about it....
I just read 5.13 would be fine ,but better or not...my use is 70% city 25% Highway and 5% moderate offroad....
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Dave, if you have a '12, try checking out this chart:
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Uh.. OP, What year is your JK(U)? And what tire size do you want to run?
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I am on my way to add 2.5 Traflex,1 inch body spacer with 35 inch General Grabber.I have a 2012 Automatic JK...My dealer says 4.88 is the best ...What do you think about it....
I just read 5.13 would be fine ,but better or not...my use is 70% city 25% Highway and 5% moderate offroad....
My understanding is that would be a lot of gear for an auto 2012. I'd think 4.10 or 4.56 would be more appropriate. Gearing decisions are pretty different depending on whether you have 3.8 or a 3.6.
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Yeah Dave the people you talked to are no smart and or not educated on the change that has come with the 2012's. MTH is very right here.. 4.10's or 4.56's are your two good options here
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I just re-geared my 2012 2DR JK to 4:10's. I had 3:21's to start. I lifted 2.5" with TF coil/shocks and went with 33" Duratracs. After the lift and tires, I noticed some oomph was gone from a standstill or on an incline. I contacted two different 4WD shops that are excellent at gear work. With the 3.6L and the 5 speed auto, both agreed that 3:73's would have been tolerable with this setup, but the 3:21's are not enough. Both suggested either 4:10's or 4:56's based on my driving habits. I'm about 50/50 highway/city with some long highway drives every few weeks. We decided on 4:10's with an Auburn HP LSD. I don't do enough wheeling to warrant lockers IMO.

I chose Elias 4WD in Townsend, MA to do the re-gear. They are excellent at building Jeeps to people's individual needs. The re-gear was a bit pricier than most, because the only company that offered a good, reliable 4:10 ratio was Jeep itself. The good news is, even though I spent about $500 more than I planned, these gears are nice and quiet, and the shop that did them was awesome. Great customer service.

I'm not sure if having the manual tranny will change the recommended gear ratio. Perhaps 4:56's would be better with a 6 speed?
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I have a stock 2012 JKU with 6 speed and 6 seems about worthless. It'll pull a bit from 75-80, but from 80 it'll only accelerate going down a hill. At 85 it'll start pulling again.

That's with the stock 3.21. 1-5 is great for everything else I've encountered so far, but I believe a regear will be in my future when I upgrade to 33 or 35's.
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Uh.. OP, What year is your JK(U)? And what tire size do you want to run?

2010 2 door JK 6 speed manual, 2.5" AEV lift and Duratracs....

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2010 2 door JK 6 speed manual, 2.5" AEV lift and Duratracs....

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Did you read my recommendations above?

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I have a 2010 4 door with 3.21s and 33x12.5R15 Duratracs, and my power is actually very, very good.

There are two things you need to do to feel the same way.

First, quit using 6th gear. Manual transmissions for many years were "5 speeds," so stick with that. That still leaves you with plenty of gears and you'll be a lot happier on the highway.

Second, when driving around town, don't upshift until at least 3k RPMs. If you need some extra power, don't upshift until 3500, 4k, or even 4500 RPMs. When merging on the highway, I spin up to 4500 RPMs every time unless I can see the highway is deserted.

In short, you're not giving your engine the RPMs it needs to perform like its supposed to. Make those two changes and you'll be happy.
And that will be true even if you regear. As noted above:

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Most of what a regearing does for you is raise your RPMs at a given speed, so by just waiting to upshift you're "simulating" most of the benefit offered by a regear anyway--for free. The only beneift you'd be missing would be that deeper gears are easier on the clutch when starting, but I don't gather you're having problems with stalling or lugging at stop lights. I know I don't, and I have the same engine, trans, gears, and tires you do.

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