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Old 12-05-2013, 06:59 PM   #1
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Free oil change=oil leak all over garage floor

I took my 2014 Rubicon in for my first free oil change yesterday. Now I have always had good service and normally a regular mechanic work on all my jeeps,but he was off. Well after parking jeep in driveway overnight there was a puddle of oil under it this morning. I checked oil and it was fine, so I figured the mechanic was just sloppy and spilled oil on crossmember. Today I called service manager to let him know to remind his mechanics to not be so sloppy. He was nice and offered to clean oil spot in driveway and told me to monitor oil level and bring it in if needed. Well today I drove a few miles to store and back home. I parked in the garage this time and just went out to get Christmas stuff out of the attic. Well then I see another puddle of oil on the garage floor this time. So this time I crawl all the way under my jeep and the drain plug is turning with my fingers. I am beyond pissed right now and will be at the dealership first thing in the morning. I have taken the time to check my oil level again and to take pictures of the leak. I expect this kind of service from Walmart oil change centers not a 5 star rated service department.

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Sorry you had this happen, glad it didn't cause any permanent damage to your rig. This is why I bought a Fumoto valve and always change my own oil.

I stopped to help a lady the other day that had broken down on the road. After checking out her SUV and talking to her, I discovered she had taken it to (a national discount oil change store I won't name) and they left the rear diff fill plug out after checking it. After a week of driving and having the fluid getting thrown out, the rear axle siezed up and snapped the drive shaft.

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It might be stripped. If that's the case I would want a new oil pan if a new oem bolt doesn't solve the problem. It sounds like the dealer wants to make it right.
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That's why I refused my free oil changes. I don't trust anyone changing my oil except me. Besides I use a good synthetic

Glad you caught it though. It could have been much worse.
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:19 PM   #5
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The only reason I didn't do my own is that I had back surgery 3 weeks ago and I am still recovering. So imagine how mad I was laying under my jeep tonight tightening an oil drain plug. Not to mention hearing my wife fussing about the garage floor,lol
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ok, I totally understand now. Hope you get better soon. btw...the pan bolt isn't a real steel bolt. It's some sort of powdered metal. The threads are soft and can chip/deform easily. I'll bet they cross threaded the bolt. The female threads are harder I believe, so no damage likely to your pan.

Again, glad you caught it in time....and get well soon.
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ok, I totally understand now. Hope you get better soon. btw...the pan bolt isn't a real steel bolt. It's some sort of powdered metal. The threads are soft and can chip/deform easily. I'll bet they cross threaded the bolt. The female threads are harder I believe, so no damage likely to your pan.

Again, glad you caught it in time....and get well soon.
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I paid for 30 oil changes when I bought my jeep without knowing so I figured I would use it. went in and asked them what oil choices I get. Basically the cheapest dino oil they can find.... Ill do it myself.
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Threw my free oil change away for this exact reason. I've worked in the automotive business long enough to know that dealership mechanics just don't care.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:52 PM   #10
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The Pentastar JK is the easiest vehicle to change the oil in that I have ever owned. It is literally a 15 minute job working at a leisurely pace. This is the one to change your own oil on, even if you hate doing it.
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I took my 2014 Rubicon in for my first free oil change yesterday. Now I have always had good service and normally a regular mechanic work on all my jeeps,but he was off. Well after parking jeep in driveway overnight there was a puddle of oil under it this morning. I checked oil and it was fine, so I figured the mechanic was just sloppy and spilled oil on crossmember. Today I called service manager to let him know to remind his mechanics to not be so sloppy. He was nice and offered to clean oil spot in driveway and told me to monitor oil level and bring it in if needed. Well today I drove a few miles to store and back home. I parked in the garage this time and just went out to get Christmas stuff out of the attic. Well then I see another puddle of oil on the garage floor this time. So this time I crawl all the way under my jeep and the drain plug is turning with my fingers. I am beyond pissed right now and will be at the dealership first thing in the morning. I have taken the time to check my oil level again and to take pictures of the leak. I expect this kind of service from Walmart oil change centers not a 5 star rated service department.
1) Thank your lucky stars the bolt didn't fully back out while you were driving, grenading the motor. Im sure the dealership wouldn't own up to it if they were on the hook for a $10,000 motor.

2) Now you understand why you need to do things yourself, even if it costs you money. I don't bring my rig to the dealer for anything, because I don't trust them. The Wrangler is a piece of cake to do oil changes on, do it yourself.
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I normally do my own oil changes and would have this time if it wasnt for my back surgery
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We have free lifetime oil and filter changes with our 2013 Wrangler. I haven't had a problem with taking my Chrysler DD to them for 6+ years and I hope to have the same good results with our Jeep. If they mess something up they will pay for it.
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This is the first problem I have had with this dealership since my first jeep in 2005. I know we all make mistakes but to not tighten a drain plug on a new vehicle could have been a costly mistake for a mechanic. I guess I was lucky in a way that it was loose enough that it leaked enough for me to notice the oil on driveway instead of a slow leak between oil changes. I posted this as a reminder to let people that use shops to change oil to check behind them. I also check my oil weekly just for peace of mind. I think what made me the maddest was the oil all over the under carriage of a new jeep and on my garage floor.
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Sorry you had this happen, glad it didn't cause any permanent damage to your rig. This is why I bought a Fumoto valve and always change my own oil.
Fumoto valve was my first mod. Have them on all my vehicles. Love them. Best thing in the world for DIY oil changes. I also had a bad experience with a national chain where, because of a splash guard that requires 10 bolts to remove to get the the filter, they changed the oil but not the filter. Lazy. Charged me full fare and never mentioned that they did this. Inexcusable. My history had always been DIY, but in a pinch I went to THE chain for this. Fool me once . . . .

Between the Fumoto valve and the filter setup on my 2013, oil changes are quick and clean.
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The Pentastar JK is the easiest vehicle to change the oil in that I have ever owned. It is literally a 15 minute job working at a leisurely pace. This is the one to change your own oil on, even if you hate doing it.
This.

I have a Fumoto valve laying on the bench waiting for the next change, which will make an easy job even easier.
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Wait a minute, I have heard that by doing your own, which I agree with by the way, and something happens that causes you to take it in for warrenty, they can come back at you with, "our records show you have not brought your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance (free oil changes) thus we cannot prove your issue wasn't caused by not changing your oil." You can't simply tell them you do your own oil changes and expect them to not void a repair.

Am I wrong here? I have scheduled changes at10k intervals so I take it in for those, but I change it myself every 5k miles. Point being to establish a record so they can't throw it in my face if a problem arises.

Don't think for a second they are using high quality synthetic oil. It comes from a 50gal vat thats been sitting on the floor for months.
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What is a Fumoto valve and where can you get one?
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Wait a minute, I have heard that by doing your own, which I agree with by the way, and something happens that causes you to take it in for warrenty, they can come back at you with, "our records show you have not brought your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance (free oil changes) thus we cannot prove your issue wasn't caused by not changing your oil." You can't simply tell them you do your own oil changes and expect them to not void a repair.
As long as you keep the receipts of oil and filter purchases, along with other receipts of whatever regular maintenance item things you may buy, they cannot void your warranty. That's just a dealer scare tactic to get people into the service department to overpay for routine maintenance.

It might be a good idea to keep a log book of everything you do to your Jeep to further support the receipts for things you've bought. I keep an MS Word record on my PC for anything that gets done, whether by me or someone else, of everything except adding fuel.
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As long as you keep the receipts of oil and filter purchases, along with other receipts of whatever regular maintenance item things you may buy, they cannot void your warranty. That's just a dealer scare tactic to get people into the service department to overpay for routine maintenance.

It might be a good idea to keep a log book of everything you do to your Jeep to further support the receipts for things you've bought. I keep an MS Word record on my PC for anything that gets done, whether by me or someone else, of everything except adding fuel.
Exactly this. Keep your receipts. Additionally, I actually created the account at moparownerconnect.com and enter my rotations, oil changes, etc., there. Since it tracks by VIN, then dealer warranty work also appears on my account via that portal. I had the water pump replaced (the 2013 bearing chirp issue) as well as the recall on the transmission cooler line. All maintenance, Dealer maintenance and even those I perform, appear there.

Additionally, I keep receipts of oil and filters to reconcile if ever needed. Screen capture below of how maintenance performed appears on the site.
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What is a Fumoto valve and where can you get one?

Read here: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/whe...ge-364418.html


Just take note that the Mopar filter a 2013 JK uses is different then the Mopar oil filter the 2014 uses mentioned in that thread.

By the way, the 2013 and 2014 JK both use a F106 Fumoto Oil Drain Valve if you wanted to use one.
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The Pentastar JK is the easiest vehicle to change the oil in that I have ever owned. It is literally a 15 minute job working at a leisurely pace. This is the one to change your own oil on, even if you hate doing it.
no kidding, add some lift and tall tires and you hardly have to even be on your back
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Just take note that the Mopar filter a 2013 JK uses is different then the Mopar oil filter the 2014 uses mentioned in that thread.

By the way, the 2013 and 2014 JK both use a F106 Fumoto Oil Drain Valve if you wanted to use one.
On another well known jeep forum the guy there says to use a fumoto 101N, not a 106.

Does anyone happen to know if there is a difference, and what that difference may be?
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On another well known jeep forum the guy there says to use a fumoto 101N, not a 106.

Does anyone happen to know if there is a difference, and what that difference may be?

F101 is NOT the correct Fumoto for a JK ! Wrong physical size, it is 12.7mm, not 14mm. For the JK, you need to use a F106 which is 14mm. For the record I know this for a fact and am not guessing.

I use an F106S on the two '14 JK's my Son and I have. Also had a F106N on the '07 JK that I had. Fumoto offers the "S" now so I no longer use the n.

As for N or S.... N means nippled, S means Short, etc..

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I read posts like yours on a daily basis across various automotive forums I belong to. The incompetence displayed by dealership service departments is breathtaking. I don't take my vehicles back to the dealership for anything, unless it is a major repair covered under warranty. I do all my routine maintenance and will live with minor issues instead of risking further damage at the hands of the dealer. I use the "free" oil change coupons I get with new vehicle purchases to start my wood stove in the mornings; I barely trust them for that, lol.

For what it's worth, I too recommend the Fumoto drain plug. I've used one on every vehicle I've owned since the early 1990's. Never an issue with them leaking even a single drop. They make changing the oil much simpler and mess-free. Only drawback I have found with them is that it takes MUCH longer for the oil to drain. Not really an issue though.
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I love the concept of the fumoto valve, but was always afraid the valve would somehow open up and drain all my oil. Im even more scared of running one on my jeep for fear of smacking it on the trail. Am I being too paranoid? Have you guys had any leaks/concerns with this valve?
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I read posts like yours on a daily basis across various automotive forums I belong to. The incompetence displayed by dealership service departments is breathtaking. I don't take my vehicles back to the dealership for anything, unless it is a major repair covered under warranty. I do all my routine maintenance and will live with minor issues instead of risking further damage at the hands of the dealer. I use the "free" oil change coupons I get with new vehicle purchases to start my wood stove in the mornings; I barely trust them for that, lol.

For what it's worth, I too recommend the Fumoto drain plug. I've used one on every vehicle I've owned since the early 1990's. Never an issue with them leaking even a single drop. They make changing the oil much simpler and mess-free. Only drawback I have found with them is that it takes MUCH longer for the oil to drain. Not really an issue though.





Also, FWIW I use the F106S on my '07 JKU, $26.95 from Quikvalve
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This amazon review makes a lot of sense, any opinions? I agree with the review, or more specifically, the part about the extending into the pan...if the valve extends into the pan, it will not allow all the oil to drain out.

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If your oil plug faces down at the very bottom of the pan like mine, I would not recommend this at all. The short version: It doesn't drain all of the oil.

At first, this seemed like a great idea to me. I was a little nervous about the valve accidentally opening but convinced myself they had thought of this themselves when they designed this thing, so I went ahead and installed on on my car. I like that I can attach a hose before I open the valve and don't get any splash or get my hand drenched with hot oil. I figured this was a really great idea but I always wondered why manufacturers didn't use this from the factory. It made me a little nervous that it is hanging down there just asking to get nocked off but in reality, this would probably never happen except in an accident or something and I would know about it before the engine was damaged.

A few months later, I went to replace the oil pan gasket so I drained the oil using this valve and removed the bolts around the pan. I noticed that when I tilted the pan, more oil drained even though the drain is located at the very lowest point in the pan. Then when the pan was removed, I saw why this was happening. It did not drain all of the oil. The valve extends into the pan.

The drain valve threads into the hole in the bottom of the pan, but it also extends through the hole, in my case by about 3/16". So when you open the valve, all but the last 3/16" of oil is drained, not ALL of the oil. Also, any thing heavy (carbon chips, metal chips) stays in the pan instead of draining out with the oil.

I could modify this by cutting the threaded part shorter but it's brass and I'm afraid there might not be enough threads to insure it stays tight. In short, I'm going back to a drain plug. The drain plug drains about 3 - 4 times faster than this valve and I'm sure that all of the oil gets drained.
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I love the concept of the fumoto valve, but was always afraid the valve would somehow open up and drain all my oil. Im even more scared of running one on my jeep for fear of smacking it on the trail. Am I being too paranoid? Have you guys had any leaks/concerns with this valve?
What I do is put a small hose clamp or fuel line clamp around the body of the valve and it prevents the tab from being inadvertently opened. Even without the hose clamp, it would take a deliberate act to open it, it isn't going to open by itself. Now, it does hang down an inch or so lower than the oe plug. I suppose you could hit it if doing some serious off-roading. I don't so it's not a concern for me.

As for the valve threading into the pan further than the threads, not the case with the JK or the Toyota Tundra I also use one on. I measured the depth of the threads on both vehicles and it is longer than the length of the Fumoto threads. Therefore the same amount of oil will drain with the Fumoto valve than with the oem plug.

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