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Old 06-25-2012, 07:34 AM   #31
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So let me get this straight, you negotiated a deal, they failed to write these terms of the deal into the contract, now you have a soft top (that you didn't want) paid 1,450$ for it and it only has a street value of 750$. Do you HONESTLY think this was a mistake or do you think they unloaded it simply because they did not know what else to do with it?

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Old 06-25-2012, 08:50 AM   #32
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Did they charge you for the hard top? If they deduct soft and add hard, 1450 sounds right

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Old 06-25-2012, 09:02 AM   #33
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If you agreed to a certain price without the soft top and you got the reduced price and the soft top then the soft top is theirs, not yours.

If the price you agreed to is different then what you actually paid, than #1 you should've caught that when you were doing paper work at the dealer days before you got delivery. #2 You should go talk to them about it, and either get the discount and give up the soft top, or tell them you're keeping the soft top because they didn't hold up their end of the deal.

Another thing, you said that they would knock off $1700, and you only see $300 knocked off. Keep in mind that they don't always document exactly what they discount and how they discount it. The BIG question is, did they give you the price that they said they would, not: I only saw a $300 discount on the paper.

Ok, so "Karma" might not exactly be true, but Honesty is important. The principle of karma is true because what you plant you will also reap. Don't think that you can plant dishonesty and reap good things... Anytime someone chooses to go against good character they are taking one step further from the good, and the crop that you plant, you will also harvest in your life ahead. You value honesty when you deal with people, others want the same in you.

Not saying that you are dishonest and I understand not wanting to give it up... but.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying to give up the soft top, just saying check with the salesman and find out if you really got the discount agreed upon by YOU.

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Oh, you said something about getting $4k off asking price, sounds pretty good.
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Old 06-25-2012, 09:29 AM   #34
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Just one more thing, Everyone is talking about the fact that you only got a $300 discount on paper.

I've bought 2 new Wranglers in as many years. Got a 10' Rubicon in Oct 2010. I got about $5000 off sticker price, but it wasn't on the paper work... huh? All I had on the paperwork was the agreed $28k something, it said nothing about the huge discount.. Same with my 12' unlimited when I traded in my Rubi. I got the Tread Lightly discount, but the discount didn't show up on the actual price sheet, only the agreed sale price, with the trade in etc...

Just saying. Everyone's saying that the dealer flamed you even though they really have no idea. Really if you did get "ripped" then it might not be their "fault" since you are the one that signed the papers, which included the amount you agreed to pay(by signing)... right?

Anyway, all that said. If you keep the soft top than you'll probably like to have it at some time in the future... ok, maybe not. I didn't get the soft top. I did just order a Mesh top, and will probably get a bimini top to keep in the back in case it starts raining when I'm out without the hard top. Just a thought...

I had a soft top on my 2dr 10', and I decided not to get a soft top with my 12' Unlimited because it's not all that easy to just put up and down. It's hot in the summer. You can't keep valuables inside with only the soft top. and it's loud. The back plastic windows get scratched, and you've gotta store them when the tops down... I'm gonna love the mesh and bimini/bikini top.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:09 PM   #35
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If you agreed to a certain price without the soft top and you got the reduced price and the soft top then the soft top is theirs, not yours.

If the price you agreed to is different then what you actually paid, than #1 you should've caught that when you were doing paper work at the dealer days before you got delivery. #2 You should go talk to them about it, and either get the discount and give up the soft top, or tell them you're keeping the soft top because they didn't hold up their end of the deal.

Another thing, you said that they would knock off $1700, and you only see $300 knocked off. Keep in mind that they don't always document exactly what they discount and how they discount it. The BIG question is, did they give you the price that they said they would, not: I only saw a $300 discount on the paper.

Ok, so "Karma" might not exactly be true, but Honesty is important. The principle of karma is true because what you plant you will also reap. Don't think that you can plant dishonesty and reap good things... Anytime someone chooses to go against good character they are taking one step further from the good, and the crop that you plant, you will also harvest in your life ahead. You value honesty when you deal with people, others want the same in you.

Not saying that you are dishonest and I understand not wanting to give it up... but.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying to give up the soft top, just saying check with the salesman and find out if you really got the discount agreed upon by YOU.

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You asked, you got answers --WF is so go at that

Have fun with your Wrangler, I've got a 12' unlimited, six speed and I love it!!

Oh, you said something about getting $4k off asking price, sounds pretty good.

NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:33 PM   #36
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NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
So, basically, your saying two wrongs make a right?

We get hysterical if we think the dealer cheated us, but, cheating the dealer is just deserved payback because most politicians are crooks?

I'm not following your "reasoning"





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Old 06-25-2012, 05:14 PM   #37
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If it was me, I'd have to talk to the dealer and find out exactly what the mistake was. Be it charged me when they shouldn't have or forgot to remove it.

I'm an honest person though. Something obviously rare these days. Don't care how crooked others are, it's my conscience I'm concerned about staying clean.

Regardless I wouldn't get rid of it if it was mine to keep. But then I despise hard tops and have sold all 3 I've had come with my jeeps over the years and replaced em with soft tops. Sold the one off the rubi for enough to buy her a set of 35" Mickey t's and new rims. All I had to do was buy the lift and I was golden.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:53 PM   #38
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As far as karma? BS Total BS. As much as I wish it weren't true, there is NO SUCH THING.
Totally agreed -- but you return it for your own feeling of having done the right thing, not because you think something supernatural is going to jinx you.

Ever leave the grocery store with something in the bottom of the cart which they forgot to charge you for. I did. And I was with my daughter when she was about 10. We finished loading up the car, but went back inside to pay for the missed items. I wanted my daughter not to just know right from wrong -- but to see honesty in action.

Us non-religious types... gotta represent, haha
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:59 PM   #39
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NO NO NO NO NO! You people need to stop saying this. It's completely untrue. I've already pointed out why. Look no further than our traitor representatives and CEO's.

There is NO SUCH THING as karma, period. You can claim there is all you want, but I have all the proof. And spare me some anecdotal story about how you returned a wallet you found and got a free ice cream or something, doesn't count.
Does it make you feel better to beat down another person's beliefs because you don't believe in them? Is it harming you in any way for someone to believe in karma?

I agree with the honesty part, whether it is religious or non-religious moral justification. You either paid for the top and received it, or you didn't pay for it and received it. I would still be calling the dealership to discuss the situation.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:39 PM   #40
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If it was me, I'd have to talk to the dealer and find out exactly what the mistake was. Be it charged me when they shouldn't have or forgot to remove it.

I'm an honest person though. Something obviously rare these days. Don't care how crooked others are, it's my conscience I'm concerned about staying clean.

Regardless I wouldn't get rid of it if it was mine to keep. But then I despise hard tops and have sold all 3 I've had come with my jeeps over the years and replaced em with soft tops. Sold the one off the rubi for enough to buy her a set of 35" Mickey t's and new rims. All I had to do was buy the lift and I was golden.
We aren't all being dishonest, just assuming the worst of others. If I wasn't charged for it I would be bringing it back AFTER I was assured I wasn't charged for it in my legally binding contract THEN verifying with my dealer that it wasn't included in my price.
Try to be decent, but don't be so naivee as to feel that another will not take advantage of your good heartedness
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:58 AM   #41
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I agree. I mean, where would we be if dealers weren't always honest with you about the best possible price they could give to you?
I always agreed with what I was told long time ago "the dealers are doing business and they're not charity in giving cars away".
They have no obligation to give you the best price, in contrast, they have obligation to make more money for their own sake, expand or pay better to employee and etc.
Even though I hate dishonest dealers, I think car dealers are being treated the most unfairly.

Have you ever complaint that Apple is making too much money in selling iPhone (or whatever phone you're using) when the cost was only $200 (at least the original iPhone)? Tried to negotaite it down to invoice or at cost?
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:09 PM   #42
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I fall into the habitually honest category, and would contact the dealer and return the top, if it was not purchased. That expense that the dealer will "eat" goes onto the next vehicle they sell, raising the price for everyone else. The dealer will not lose, it's customers who will lose in the long run.

I find it hard to believe that the people here, who I assume are decent, hard working, honest, law abiding citizens would think it is alright to keep or profit from something that they are not entitled to. If you know it was a mistake and you really shouldn't have it but you keep/sell it, that is tantamount to stealing.

Excuses of the dealer ripping people off, making unreasonable profit, they're to big to notice, etc., are lame attempts at justifying stealing. If I found $5 on the street and no-one was around, I'd keep it. If I saw someone drop it, I'd pick it up and return it. This case with the top is the latter, you "Know who dropped it", now do the right thing and return it.

Your first step should be to contact the dealer and see if you were charged for it or not. If so, you can discuss the options with them to have your purchase price revisited and they can have the top back, or you could keep it. If the top was not paid for, and was not supposed to be delivered, then you should make them aware of their mistake, and return it.

Just my unpopular .02

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