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Old 10-15-2013, 08:55 AM   #1
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So a few months back I experienced a death wobble and needless to say, it wasnt fun. I had my 07 JKU looked at by the shop that did my lift (Pro Comp 2.5 with Bilstein 5100 shocks) and they ended up replacing the failed steering stabalizer that had busted. Since then I have not had anymore DW... HOWEVER driving on the highway scares the shit out of me now and it dosnt help that with this lift, the Jeep feels very unstable at highway speeds.

Ive only been a Jeep owner for about 6 months now and until recently, never really took it on the highway but now I've moved and its part of my daily comute. I have 33inch tires and a 2.5 inch lift with 4.10 gears. Im experienceing a lot of bump steer and quiet honelstly, feel permanently stuck in the far right late ready to pull over at a moments notice when going over 60 mph. I see other JK's (sometimres with bigger lifts) passing me from time to time so im certain this is not normal considering the drivers of the other jeeps arent white knuckled clinching the steering wheel at 10 and 2 and looking pale as a ghost. (this makes the jeep wave awkward and dificult).

Have any of you experienced this? Which of my suspension components should I be looking at?

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Many here are way more knowledgeable than I, but it sounds like a caster issue. Start with a good alignment check.

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Did your lift kit come with adjustable control arms? If not, it might help to install front lower control arms, and adjusting your caster to about +5.5°. When I first installed my first lift, I was experiencing quite a bit of bump steer, most noticeable on bumpy pavement, or when braking hard, or at highway speeds. After installing front lower control arms and adjusting the caster, it was smooth again.

The steering stabilizer does not fix death wobble. It only masks it. There's something else worn or loose going on in your suspension. Refer to the sticky to troubleshoot it. Most common cause is trackbar-related (loose bolts, wallowed out mount holes, worn bushings). Worn ball joints is also rather common, and was the cause for my death wobble problem a couple years ago.

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I was in the same boat, bought an '07 JUK in 2011 and had several problems: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wor...le-135460.html. It all boiled down to the cheap spacer lift without replacing the front sway bar disconnects (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...on-171713.html) the PO put on it. I replaced it with a 2.5 suspension lift (as well as a few other components) and have had no problems since. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/why...ng-171789.html
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  • allignment check
  • install front lower adjustable control arms
  • check for anythign loose
  • allignment check
Sounds like a busy weekend. Thanks guys, will look into this. I dont want to fear my JK anymnore.
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I was in the same boat, bought an '07 JUK in 2011 and had several problems: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/wor...le-135460.html. It all boiled down to the cheap spacer lift without replacing the front sway bar disconnects (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/lif...on-171713.html) the PO put on it. I replaced it with a 2.5 suspension lift (as well as a few other components) and have had no problems since. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/why...ng-171789.html
Your DW experience sounds a lot like mine. I cant imagine anthing too much more terrifying while driving at highway speeds. my damper bracket didnt breake but the damper its self did explode with hydrolic fluid flying all over the place.
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So a few months back I experienced a death wobble and needless to say, it wasnt fun. I had my 07 JKU looked at by the shop that did my lift (Pro Comp 2.5 with Bilstein 5100 shocks) and they ended up replacing the failed steering stabalizer that had busted. Since then I have not had anymore DW... HOWEVER driving on the highway scares the shit out of me now and it dosnt help that with this lift, the Jeep feels very unstable at highway speeds.

Ive only been a Jeep owner for about 6 months now and until recently, never really took it on the highway but now I've moved and its part of my daily comute. I have 33inch tires and a 2.5 inch lift with 4.10 gears. Im experienceing a lot of bump steer and quiet honelstly, feel permanently stuck in the far right late ready to pull over at a moments notice when going over 60 mph. I see other JK's (sometimres with bigger lifts) passing me from time to time so im certain this is not normal considering the drivers of the other jeeps arent white knuckled clinching the steering wheel at 10 and 2 and looking pale as a ghost. (this makes the jeep wave awkward and dificult).

Have any of you experienced this? Which of my suspension components should I be looking at?
A steering stabilizer IS NEVER the cause of deathwobble. Take a great riding Jeep, and remove the steering stabilizer...guess what, no deathwobble. Replacing the steering stabilizer is nothing more than a "I don't know how to fix it so Im just gonna do this" fix. A stabilizer AT BEST will mask the problem. 97 times out of 100, it's a trackbar issue (loose bolts, worn bushings, etc).
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A steering stabilizer IS NEVER the cause of deathwobble. Take a great riding Jeep, and remove the steering stabilizer...guess what, no deathwobble. Replacing the steering stabilizer is nothing more than a "I don't know how to fix it so Im just gonna do this" fix. A stabilizer AT BEST will mask the problem. 97 times out of 100, it's a trackbar issue (loose bolts, worn bushings, etc).

thanks, I always knew that the stabalizer was meerly a syptom and not the cause. The shop I went to tried to pull this stunt with me and at the time i didnt know any better.
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I have an 09, went thru 2 stablizers, and now do NOT run a stablizer. It runs straight at 80 with NO wobble.
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I have an 09, went thru 2 stablizers, and now do NOT run a stablizer. It runs straight at 80 with NO wobble.
Do you think this is a result of just removing the stablizer? I cant imagine that being too safe if you have a lift.

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Do you think this is a result of just removing the stablizer? I cant imagine that being too safe if you have a lift.

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A stabilizer just smooths the steering out, removing any sharp jarring from large tires (including stocks). It is a comfort thing, not really a geometry thing. Like I said, you have an 07. 99% sure the OEM bolts chewed through your bushings and you now have a decent amount of play in your trackbar. Get the northridge bolt kit and a new quality trackbar and you'll be all set. If its not your trackbar, it's probably your ball joints.

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After talking on the phone with 4 Wheel Parts, they say that a Caster Correction Kit would probably to the trick. this sound right?
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If it was me I'd get the upgraded bolt kit and a new front adjustable trackbar. Depending on how bad the hole is wallowed out I'd get a new trackbar mount welded in. That will most likely solve DW. Bump steer is best solved with a drag link flip and adj CAs. Checking your alignment and ball joints is a good idea too. I just got my Northridge bolt kit today along with other goodies. If all they did was swap the SS it's a ticking time bomb it WILL happen again.
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If it was me I'd get the upgraded bolt kit and a new front adjustable trackbar. Depending on how bad the hole is wallowed out I'd get a new trackbar mount welded in. That will most likely solve DW. Bump steer is best solved with a drag link flip and adj CAs. Checking your alignment and ball joints is a good idea too. I just got my Northridge bolt kit today along with other goodies. If all they did was swap the SS it's a ticking time bomb it WILL happen again.

thanks.. I think they were trying to looking out for my budget but I would rather do it right.
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Good advice. You need to go through the suspension/steering 100%

DW is almost always TB related
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After talking on the phone with 4 Wheel Parts, they say that a Caster Correction Kit would probably to the trick. this sound right?
No Cambolts

Check out AEV or Rancho's drop brackets. Cheap and fix caster.

Look through my threads. There's one posted on each.
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Your DW experience sounds a lot like mine. I cant imagine anthing too much more terrifying while driving at highway speeds. my damper bracket didnt breake but the damper its self did explode with hydrolic fluid flying all over the place.
As mentioned, the broken steering stabilizer bracket was only a symptom, not the cause. I'm not suggestion that this is your problem, I'm just saying that what I finally figured out with mine was that when the PO did the lift, he didn't replace the sway bar disconnects. The sway bars should be nearly level and mine was hanging low.

What happened is that I would wheel it without disconnecting my front sway bar. I'd hit a bump and the sway bar would flex and then invert. This would cause the sway bar disconnects to come to rest onto the tie rod which put pressure on the steering stabilizer.


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After talking on the phone with 4 Wheel Parts, they say that a Caster Correction Kit would probably to the trick. this sound right?
No it doesn't. Caster would be issue #3 I'd check. Trackbar is #1.
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Follow all of the good suggestions above to resolve it but make sure you literally check everything even though you think you found the source of the problem. The violent nature of DW puts a lot of stress on the steering system and some times causes additional damage particularly to joints and the stabilizer. For instance if Caster is the original cause of the DW, the ball joints or steering stabilizer can be damaged with repeated DW occurrences.
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Follow all of the good suggestions above to resolve it but make sure you literally check everything even though you think you found the source of the problem. The violent nature of DW puts a lot of stress on the steering system and some times causes additional damage particularly to joints and the stabilizer. For instance if Caster is the original cause of the DW, the ball joints or steering stabilizer can be damaged with repeated DW occurrences.
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I have similar issues, no DW though. I have the Rancho brackets on the way and plan to add a JKS track bar soon. I installed the bolt upgrade kit when I installed my 2.5 TF lift. After about 200 miles my track bar bolts needed snugged up. Might of been my failure to torque them properly in the first place.

Hope you get this figured out. My caster is at 3.1 currently and I have the flighty feeling, bumpsteer, etc.
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Update on my DW

So I've been incredibly busy this past week and having just moved into a new house, I have had a hard time finding the time to get underneath. HOWEVER today I finally had a few moments to poke around.

I crawled underneath and shook as many pieces of metal as I could find with all my strength. here is what I found and you can tell me what I already suspect.

first the Track Bar had ZERO play in it. I realize this mean nothing as the force I put into it is nothing compared to the forces the road harmonics will induce.

second both the Tie Rod and the Drag link had up and down (twisting) play in it but not side to side. should I be able to move this with my hand?
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Update on my DW

So I've been incredibly busy this past week and having just moved into a new house, I have had a hard time finding the time to get underneath. HOWEVER today I finally had a few moments to poke around.

I crawled underneath and shook as many pieces of metal as I could find with all my strength. here is what I found and you can tell me what I already suspect.

first the Track Bar had ZERO play in it. I realize this mean nothing as the force I put into it is nothing compared to the forces the road harmonics will induce.

second both the Tie Rod and the Drag link had up and down (twisting) play in it but not side to side. should I be able to move this with my hand?
I would remove the trackbar and inspect the bushings/bolts. I believe the other issue, they do twist, but don't move side to side by hand.
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Update on my DW

So I've been incredibly busy this past week and having just moved into a new house, I have had a hard time finding the time to get underneath. HOWEVER today I finally had a few moments to poke around.

I crawled underneath and shook as many pieces of metal as I could find with all my strength. here is what I found and you can tell me what I already suspect.

first the Track Bar had ZERO play in it. I realize this mean nothing as the force I put into it is nothing compared to the forces the road harmonics will induce.

second both the Tie Rod and the Drag link had up and down (twisting) play in it but not side to side. should I be able to move this with my hand?
first, you're right in saying that not being able find any play in your front trackbar by hand means nothing. You really need to unbolt and remove the trackbar, and inspect the mount holes and bushings for wear. Then bolt it back up and torque the bolts down to 125 ft-lbs. Get yourself a torque wrench if you don't have one, to make sure you're getting these bolts tight enough. It's very important for managing DW, to have these bolts torqued down tight enough, and to recheck them regularly.

second, it's normal for the tie rod and drag link to have up and down play.
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stealership squashed before it even started

Called dealership this morning trying to set up an appointment and explained the problem (Gillman Chrysler Jeep Dodge). Right off the bat without stuttering, the service rep says its my Steering Damper. I imideately rebuttled that this was neerly hiding the problem and not fixing it. He argued, I hung up. Going to a specialized shop.

I did find a shop that will work with my warranty and immideately agreed that we should look at the trackpbar and joints. Feel better already.

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Here is what the service member told me at the shop. "All 4 tie rods have movement as well as the front track bar".

They also recomended me switching to dual steering dampers. Next step is seeing what the warranty company is willing to cover.
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Rancho drop brackets and a front end bolt kit. Problem should go away forever after that.

We'll, until normal wear and tear creep in years from now.
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Here is what the service member told me at the shop. "All 4 tie rods have movement as well as the front track bar". They also recomended me switching to dual steering dampers. Next step is seeing what the warranty company is willing to cover.
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I would remove the trackbar and inspect the bushings/bolts. I believe the other issue, they do twist, but don't move side to side by hand.
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Do you think this is a result of just removing the stablizer? I cant imagine that being too safe if you have a lift.

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no... removing parts did not cure DW, torqueing the TB to 140psi instead of the standard 125psi did the most good and replacing the stock 31" SRA's with 33s and a stiffer sidewall is what cured the DW. just never replaced the steering stablizer and have not needed to....yet.

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