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Old 03-29-2011, 12:01 PM   #1
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Front bumper upgrade advice needed

Wanting to upgrade bumpers, starting with the front. My goals are:

1) To have a winch mounted low, likely a Warn M8000
2) Be full width
3) 1/4" thick

Right now this is my daily driver and my wheeling consists of sand only. No plans for a lift in the next year or so, but I want to make sure I can get out of a jamb by winching myself towards someone else/thing on the beach / trail. Don't have any wheeling buddies around here yet and I'm new to all this anyway.

So I think my questions are:

A) Any pros/cons to having a winch mounted on top of a bumper vs. set into the bumper? I like the look of the lower bumper and I think it'd be less likely to be stolen.
B) Any pros/cons of stubby vs. full-width? I think I like the full-width looks.
C) Is the extra weight of 1/4" thick steel worth the strength or is much strength gained from the thicker plate?
D) What other reasoning am I not asking?
E) So far I like the looks of Olympic4x4 Smuggler (1/4") & Rugged Ridge XHD (4.25mm or between 1/8" & 3/16"), possibly Rockhard 4x4 (1/4"). Any experience with these folks?

Thanks for the discussion

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Old 03-29-2011, 01:42 PM   #2
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My vote goes to the Rockhard --sturdy and good looking !!

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Old 03-29-2011, 07:22 PM   #3
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Here is the Rogged Ridge XHD with the Rugged Ridge XRC 8500 Winch, sorry its covered, I try to keep the road salt away in the winter. You may want to think of a 2 or 2 1/2 lift to compensate for the weight of the front bumper. I did not realize that until after I added the bumper so as soon as the weather warms up thats my next mod. Good Luck
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Wanting to upgrade bumpers, starting with the front. My goals are:

1) To have a winch mounted low, likely a Warn M8000
2) Be full width
3) 1/4" thick

Right now this is my daily driver and my wheeling consists of sand only. No plans for a lift in the next year or so, but I want to make sure I can get out of a jamb by winching myself towards someone else/thing on the beach / trail. Don't have any wheeling buddies around here yet and I'm new to all this anyway.

So I think my questions are:

A) Any pros/cons to having a winch mounted on top of a bumper vs. set into the bumper? I like the look of the lower bumper and I think it'd be less likely to be stolen.
B) Any pros/cons of stubby vs. full-width? I think I like the full-width looks.
C) Is the extra weight of 1/4" thick steel worth the strength or is much strength gained from the thicker plate?
D) What other reasoning am I not asking?
E) So far I like the looks of Olympic4x4 Smuggler (1/4") & Rugged Ridge XHD (4.25mm or between 1/8" & 3/16"), possibly Rockhard 4x4 (1/4"). Any experience with these folks?

Thanks for the discussion
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A) Set into the bumper protects the winch from getting whacked better
B)IME people tend to go for narrower bumpers over time. The full width bumpers look nice, but they can get in the way depending on the terrain. I have a Lod mid width, and the only part of the bumper that takes a hit is the outside ends. I am going to sell mine and go with a shorty.

Shorty bumpers give you a better approach angle as nothing is in the way of the tires. They also weigh less. A full width bumper with winch can get over 150 pounds.

C) My Lod bumper has 1/4" plate for the winch mount, the rest is 3/16". If the bumper is properly designed and gusseted the 3/16" will be plenty strong. Poison Spyder is also 3/16"; Lod and PS are two top brands.

The more weight you add the less clearence you will have. Another reason I like shortys


D) Weight. Tow points. Fog lights. Mounting tabs for offroad lights. Bull bar to protect the grill. Stinger to protect against rollovers (more for looks I think for most people)

E) Poison Spyder. Lod. Ace.
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:54 PM   #5
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I'm installing a set of sliders from Rock Hard, they're on, but I'm waiting for a gasket before bolting to the body to finish the installation. Built from 3/16" steel, so they're pretty stout, I'll write that up later as the install isn't complete, but seems to be a quality product and I'm sure the bumpers would be strong as well. I think the RockHard bumper weighs about 115 lbs.

I like the look of the Rugged Ridge bumpers, a buddy of mine installed them front & rear, but he didn't mention the weight being an issue but he hasn't installed a winch yet either. I called them today and the guy I spoke with wasn't sure what sets their bumpers apart from the competition or why they're using 4.25mm thick steel instead of 3/16".

I called Olympic and they claimed to use 1/4" for the main section of their bumper as well as the end caps. I read a post here somewhere that questioned the quality of Olympic products, so I'm trying to find more opinions here but not having much luck.

Trying to find some more reviews on these and other bumpers/manufacturers. It's difficult to shop online for these types of things and know what to expect when they arrive of your doorstep. Wish there were more Jeepers around my area to meet up with and be able to really see the quality of the products they've installed.
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I'm installing a set of sliders from Rock Hard, they're on, but I'm waiting for a gasket before bolting to the body to finish the installation. Built from 3/16" steel, so they're pretty stout, I'll write that up later as the install isn't complete, but seems to be a quality product and I'm sure the bumpers would be strong as well. I think the RockHard bumper weighs about 115 lbs.

I like the look of the Rugged Ridge bumpers, a buddy of mine installed them front & rear, but he didn't mention the weight being an issue but he hasn't installed a winch yet either. I called them today and the guy I spoke with wasn't sure what sets their bumpers apart from the competition or why they're using 4.25mm thick steel instead of 3/16".

I called Olympic and they claimed to use 1/4" for the main section of their bumper as well as the end caps. I read a post here somewhere that questioned the quality of Olympic products, so I'm trying to find more opinions here but not having much luck.

Trying to find some more reviews on these and other bumpers/manufacturers. It's difficult to shop online for these types of things and know what to expect when they arrive of your doorstep. Wish there were more Jeepers around my area to meet up with and be able to really see the quality of the products they've installed.
PS BFH bumper weighs about 30 pounds (not the one for you - you have to cut the frame rails as part of the install). My Lod mid width weighs 72 pounds, and it is very stout. The PS brawler bumper I am putting on weighs 65 pounds.

here is a thread on weight. 115 is on the high end

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/sto...ght-84074.html

Poison Spyder, Lod, Purejeep, River Raiders, Hanson, Or Fab all good products
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Although, if you really like a bumper don't let me talk you out of it. Its your jeep - this is just food for thought
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Although, if you really like a bumper don't let me talk you out of it. Its your jeep - this is just food for thought
Nope, I need the food for thought. Great link on the weights, I wonder how much weight I can add without requiring a lift. Would a leveling kit work instead of a lift?

Thanks for the info!
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Levelling kits help. You can also throw 3/4" or 1" pucks in the front to lift it without doing a full lift
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Rock Hard products are nice. I ran the Hanson stuff on my LJ and had a buddy running their stuff on his JK Rubicon Unlimited. I am also a dealer for Poison Spyder, Pure Jeep, Rock Hard, Rampage, Hanson, and can get others. If you would like any help with sourcing your bumper let me know! Below is the Hanson Stubby with fog lights and a T-Max winch. They have changed the design a little, so this is not an accurate representation of the product.



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