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Old 07-08-2014, 07:13 AM
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Going doorless

He wife is concerned about riding with the rear doors off with the kids in the car ( kids are 8 & 9) Her worry is about side impact. I completely understand her concern as I do not know enough about the chassis to say they are well protected. Is this a valid concern or can you give me ammo to let my kids enjoy the full experience too?
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He wife is concerned about riding with the rear doors off with the kids in the car ( kids are 8 & 9) Her worry is about side impact. I completely understand her concern as I do not know enough about the chassis to say they are well protected. Is this a valid concern or can you give me ammo to let my kids enjoy the full experience too?
For what it's worth Jeep says the doors are for protection from elements only and don't offer any impact protection as such. Having said that, I find if hard to believe that if there were an unfortunate side impact the doors would not do any good to protect, even if it's from keeping a stray object like broken glass or something from flying into the cabin and hurt someone.

Maybe you can add some really strong side rails that might offer some added protection and throw in some tube doors or half doors for the kids? I have small kids too, and I am not ready to take out the rear doors at all...

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You can always be a smart ass and show her the sticker saying the OEM doors are only for protection from the elements.

In reality though, anything that is going to come thru the cabin in an impact, is going to come thru the thin sheet metal and glass anyway. If it is a battle you just won't win with her, consider getting some aftermarket halfdoors or trail doors.

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The doors are not crash rated, it says so both on the sunroof stickers and in the manual. Which means that an impact with the doors on will be no safer than an impact with them off, except fo maybe protection from flying debris.
I would argue that a crash the doors off is SAFER. No chance of getting trapped behind something that isn't going to help you anyway.

My kid is 3 and we ride odorless all the time, I have her in the middle in the back though.
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I keep the rear doors on because I'm afraid my kids will do something stupid. Actually it's just to keep my mom and wife from bugging me.
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My kid is 3 and we ride odorless all the time, I have her in the middle in the back though.
I suppose 3 is old enough to ride odorless, but there's always the possibility of an accident. Should probably play it safe and keep a change of clothes for the kiddo in the back.

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When it's just my kids 9 and 12 I run doorless all the time. 9 year old sits in the middle when doorless.

When have more kids riding especially if under 10 I throw the back doors back on. Mainly to keep them in the jeep more so than impact.
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The doors are not crash rated, it says so both on the sunroof stickers and in the manual. Which means that an impact with the doors on will be no safer than an impact with them off, except fo maybe protection from flying debris.
I would argue that a crash the doors off is SAFER. No chance of getting trapped behind something that isn't going to help you anyway.

My kid is 3 and we ride odorless all the time, I have her in the middle in the back though.

Just because they are not rated does not mean they provide zero protection. They just can't claim anything since there is no rating.
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After we got t-boned the other week, it has us both thinking about going doorless. Regardless, my rock rails took the majority of the impact and saved the side. There was however flying debris everywhere. Would could have caused cuts, but nothing more in that instance. Don't want to scare ya, but in the end, I'll probably still ride around town doorless.
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I suppose 3 is old enough to ride odorless, but there's always the possibility of an accident. Should probably play it safe and keep a change of clothes for the kiddo in the back.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

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After we got t-boned the other week, it has us both thinking about going doorless. Regardless, my rock rails took the majority of the impact and saved the side. There was however flying debris everywhere. Would could have caused cuts, but nothing more in that instance. Don't want to scare ya, but in the end, I'll probably still ride around town doorless.
How fast was that car going on impact?
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my little boy is 6 and he rides in the front in his booster with the doors off. Now keep in mind i have a 2door and he only does this around the back roads where we live out in the country. I have only jump on the freeway for a short distance and i was a bit concerned. I think this is a judgment call and its kind of a do at your own risk type of thing. its not for everyone.
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After we got t-boned the other week, it has us both thinking about going doorless. Regardless, my rock rails took the majority of the impact and saved the side. There was however flying debris everywhere. Would could have caused cuts, but nothing more in that instance. Don't want to scare ya, but in the end, I'll probably still ride around town doorless.
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I will run my JKU naked with kids in the back only around town. I have seven grandkids and they love riding in the Jeep. When I have them back there I am extremely aware and drive with all my defensive driving skills I can muster. Be annoying if you need to but keep a wary eye out. My Rubicon X has decent rock rails so I hope that would help. The concern about stuff flying into the Jeep is very valid but I take the risk and have done so for many years going back to my own kids. I have been rear ended with a naked Jeep but never hit from the side.
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There was however flying debris everywhere. Would could have caused cuts, but nothing more in that instance. .
Exactly what others arent thinking about.. Its not the impact that doors are protecting you from crash. Its the glass, lose metal, hot fluids such as radiator fluid shooting out under pressure, and even some ladies god dam little dog riding on their lap that ends up being a projectile. I use tube doors, but i know without doubt kids are still safer with full door than no or half doors. Also not going to live in fear entire life....
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Not trying to advocate or win parent of the year, but I run doorless in my JKU with a 5 and 2 year old in their car seats in the rear. My wife grew up driving tractors on the farm when she was 12. WAY more dangerous.
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........no safer than an impact with them off, except fo maybe protection from flying debris.



You guys listen about as well as my wife does.


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Which means that an impact with the doors on will be no safer than an impact with them off, except fo maybe protection from flying debris.
I would argue that a crash the doors off is SAFER.
Do you have facts and evidence to back up this claim?
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Do you have facts and evidence to back up this claim?

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I run doorless with 10, 7, and 4 and they love it. Doors or not, a side impact wouldn't be good. I'd like to think the Jeep's height advantage over most cars and rails would help. Just like seat belts, depending on the type of impact doors could help or hurt the situation.
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Wonder if the NTSA or insurance companies ever do crash test with doors on vs doors off?

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I have three boys ,13, 10, and 7, and they don't like riding in the jeep with the doors on half as much as without them. I don't drive like an idiot and I don't go through life playing the "what if" game. My father used to drive around with all us kids in the back of his truck bed. Oh the horror! Somehow we all lived. Yeah, "what if" he had been in an accident? That's life I suppose. You can live in a bubble but you can never protect against everything. Try to use common sense and be aware of your surroundings, is all you can do.
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Lol what was that standup routine that guy did about being in the truckbed? Lol

I can't find the YouTube video but it was something along the lines of his family riding in the truckbed so much his dad would do a headcount by tapping the brakes and counting the thuds.

Hilarious.
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Our almost 3-year-old absolutely loves no doors. But we've only done it once. I would love to know how to mount the car seat in the middle. It's a Recaro and for the life of me it won't work.
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My 11 year old girl loves to go on motorcycle rides. Guess what... no doors. If my jeep ever gets here the doors will be off when shes in it. There is a lot more protection in a jeep than on a bike.
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I wouldn't say that doorless is safer, I would say it is a different set of tradeoffs of risks. I am generally a pretty defensive driver, but my level of situational awareness is higher doorless. I don't mean because I can see more, I mean because I'm even more attention focused on the traffic and road around me.

The first few times I did it with my daughter she was amazed. Now, being a teenager, her face remains glued to the cell phone and she is annoyed that the wind is blowing her hair in her face. My suggestion is to go doorless as often as possible while your kids are still young enough to enjoy it. There will come a time where they won't care and/or will take it for granted.
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My 11 year old girl loves to go on motorcycle rides. Guess what... no doors. If my jeep ever gets here the doors will be off when shes in it. There is a lot more protection in a jeep than on a bike.
I have many fond memories of riding with my dad on the motorcycle, thanks for this post. My Jeep is nekkid and doorless (does nekkid imply doorless?) and I love it.

I was a real uptight mom and my grown kids have teased me that the mom they grew up with NEVER would have had a Jeep with any parts off! I sadly agree, I wish I had been more fun and carefree. ah well! I'll be a fun Granny instead.
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Our almost 3-year-old absolutely loves no doors. But we've only done it once. I would love to know how to mount the car seat in the middle. It's a Recaro and for the life of me it won't work.
Does it have the latches?

I just used the two anchors closest to the middle on each side. Then pulled it tight. Works fine.

I DONT know however if there is a middle anchor behind the seat for the back latch. I'd have to look. The booster doesn't use it.
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See THIS is why I love the new jeep family I have!!! You guys and gals have given great pros and cons and my wife has read this thread. I believe I have her on my side for local trips, maybe not longer ones yet, but she also knows I am an extremely aware driver that would never put my family in harms way. I know I can't speak for others driving around me, but to be aware is paramount. As we were talking about it this morning my almost 10 yr old girl turned the corner with the BIGGEST smile on her face, and said, "so we can take the back doors off now"? And my wife just shot her a smile.. I'm making progress! You guys/gals are awesome, here's to a odorless Bumble! (B)
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How fast was that car going on impact?
I'm guessing 30mph+ since her airbags deployed. It was at an intersection and she turned left into me. My guess is the girl panicked and hit the gas instead of the brakes.

We usually run doorless if there is a stretch of nice weather and for local trips. That being said, we were on our way for ice cream and this happened about 2 miles from our home.

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