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Old 03-30-2013, 02:43 PM   #1
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Going from a Landcruiser to a Jeep on MONDAY, help me out please!

Hi everyone, very happy to have found this place!

I've had the same car for almost 13 years, since I was 16. It's a 97 Lexus LX450 which is basically a Landcruiser with nicer leather and more sound proofing. I've kept it stock and don't off road it but in Michigan it's important to have a capable 4WD vehicle if it's your only option, also I need an SUV for work and my little farm. I love my LC it's an absolute tank, I've owned lots of vehicles in between but at the end the LC always got me home. But the problem is it's almost 17 years old, as much as the main components are bullet proof the little things are always going to be problematic on a 17 year old. I can do basic maintenance but I'm not a gear head so it doesn't make sense for me to own a 17 year old car which is basically a toy, especially since I drive a lot and get about 12 MPG on average. I'm not at the point yet where I can own a toy and a daily car, plus I don't want my daily car to be some POS just to own a toy. So I want something with comparable weather performance to my LC but is still fun, nice, practical and new so I don't have to worry about it everytime I drive it. I've decided a 4dr wrangler is my best option! In the winter it's just as much of a tank as my LC and in the summer it's a cool fun car, plus I like the looks obviously and while I shy away from American cars sometimes I know Jeep makes a very quality product. The heritage speaks for itself!

I know a specific Chrysler dealer very well and I THINK I'm getting a good deal but it's all happening pretty quick and I haven't been able to do as much research as I would like. I was thinking red or the dark grey but I've pretty much decided on black because the red doesn't seem right on an everyday car and the grey is a tiny bit bland in my opinion. I'll throw some black wheels on it, maybe even coat the stock ones and might do a lift plus some larger tires in the near future, later on I'm sure I'll mess with some bumpers, lights and things like that. But I'm not sure if I should go with the sport or the sahara, I don't know if the fenders being painted is worth the extra 3k, I don't really see any other differences which would matter in my situation, it's all asthetics. Can someone provide some pros or cons either way?

For the sport I'm looking at around 28K and for the sahara around 31K. I first wanted to lease but after looking at used prices it looks like they hold their value really well and a lease wouldn't make sense. Still a lease with option to buy might make sense just in case I don't like it. Do those prices look reasonable for a 2013 off the dealer lot with top tier credit and 0 down?

I can lease a sport for around $350 and the Sahara for around $380, both zero down for around 3 years. To me that's a lot for a lease considering I know people leasing Rams and Traverses for around $200 zero down but I know the Wrangler is a special case, it's not like I'm leasing a chrysler 200 for $150 a month. For a Wrangler since they hold their value there is a premium, I'll pay a little more for something I'll actually enjoy.


I know I'm rambling but like I said I haven't had very much time to do research and I'm in a rush, I can only get these prices until Monday. Does anyone have any advice to offer for someone looking to buy a new Wrangler Unlimited?


Thanks in advance and I look forward to being a productive member of the forum!

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Old 03-30-2013, 03:00 PM   #2
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OK, I'm going to be honest...I didn't read all of that, it was just too long. I did pick out a few keys words and didn't see anything about you doing any heavy 4 wheeling so my suggestion would be a JKU Sport or a Sahara with whatever options interest you. I would be sure to get 3.73 gears and the dual tops with deep tinted windows.

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Old 03-30-2013, 03:02 PM   #3
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OK, I'm going to be honest...I didn't read all of that, it was just too long. I did pick out a few keys words and didn't see anything about you doing any heavy 4 wheeling so my suggestion would be a JKU Sport or a Sahara with whatever options interest you. I would be sure to get 3.73 gears and the dual tops with deep tinted windows.
I don't blame you for not reading it.....!

Why do you suggest 3.73 gears? Also is that not the stock configuration?

Thanks for the reply!
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:48 PM   #4
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Get 3.73 gears. It should come with the max tow package....

...and yes I didn't read your entire post. It's like overload
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I'm originally from NW Indiana, but have lived in Phoenix for 39 years. I do understand some of your needs being Michigan winters and a Farm. I also lived on a Farm in Indiana for 20 years.
Recommend a 3:73 Differential ratio, limited slip with a automatic transmission. The 3:73 will give you a little bit better performance, because of the additional weight of the 4 door. I would go with the hard top for your winters, but some of the panels are removable for the summer, it's very versatile. I agree with your color of Black, I have a 2013 Black Rubicon and to me Black is second to none! They really shine. I don't like the painted fenders, because they get scratched very easy and in parking lots, others open there doors and now they get chipped. I think that they look great painted, it's just not for me.
That is just my 2 cents worth. I recommend that you go and drive both a sport and Sahara, look them over visually and then make a decision if the Sahara is worth the extra money.
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I kinda read it all, ;-), and I don't know how to judge the price without knowing exactly what the options the jeep would have. 28 sounds like a base, fairly optionless model (which is fine if you want that). I take delivery of mine in a few days (I'm barely able to contain my excitement) and I know I got a really good deal, but I also had specific options included that, without knowing, would skew the cost perspective to someone else....
So, what is the exact option list? Do you have the window sticker?
Good Luck! I know I'm ready to have mine! :-)

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Old 03-30-2013, 04:33 PM   #7
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I guess we need to know full options lists.

Either way, since you're leasing, I say get the Sahara and don't touch it, unless you absolutely want wheels like your post mentions.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:42 PM   #8
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To get a great price, join "Tread Lightly" - they have a deal with Chrysler to give you 1% under invoice.
I'd stay away from painted fenders. Higher gear ratio gives you a bit more pickup at the cost of gas mileage, and getting high gear ratio now is important if you intend to add larger tires later (It's costly to re-gear)

the dual top option is great, love the hard for winter , soft for summer. deep tinted windows also good. heated seats a must for Michigan winters.

tow package is worth it IMHO, adds the hitch even if you just use it for a bike rack, at least it's there.

you'll find a Jeep a different beast than a LC, be sure you test drive until you are convinced.

lease vs buy - I'm inclined to buy, I feel with the lease you lose control of the price you are paying, too many ways to screw the customer.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:29 PM   #9
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Buy the Sahara if you are not buying one to mod right away. You will appreciate the extra things that come standard and you will have a much better resale value when you are done with it.

I have a Black 2012 Sahara JKU, this is a fantastic vehicle. Towing package gives you the 3.73 gearing. The other standard gearing is just too sluggish. Automatic is a great way to go. Mine has a Zone 3" lift, 35" tires on 17" rims. ARB front and rear bumpers.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:43 PM   #10
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Great idea doing the research & making a swap to a really versatile Wrangler!

It took me a year of searching/researching/driving to finally decide what I thought I wanted.

re: "I can lease a sport for around $350 and the Sahara for around $380". Despite actually being a day away from signing for the JKU at a dealers, I happened across a private deal cream puff 08 JK with 15000 miles on it, saving considerably. My purchase price 2 1/2 years ago was $21000 for a 24G option list (almost everything imaginable) and with 3.73/tow set up. Wouldn't change a thing

This has been a perfect rig, now with 53000 miles. Biggest repair just happened a few weeks ago....had to replace BOTH wiper blades!!!

Mine is used as DD in a rural life style, hauling stuff & hitting the abundant logging roads in my area. A vintage M100 ammo trailer is most handy, and I've made multiple road trips in the 3-4000 mile range in comfort.

Good luck on your choice....just be prepared to have a silly grin most of the time.
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I don't blame you for not reading it.....!

Why do you suggest 3.73 gears? Also is that not the stock configuration?

Thanks for the reply!
I am not sure if the 3.73s are stock on the Sahara or not, I purchased the KU Sport and had to upgrade from the 3.21s. Like others have already said, if you ever elect to ad a lift or bigger tires the 3.73s will give you plenty of power to accomplish that.
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Best landcruiser ever. I had an FJ40 and an FJ60. 80 series are the best of the old with the best of the newer technology. Built to last like all toyotas of that vintage. However as you are aware the parts aren't cheap when they do brake.

Leasing a Jeep is a bad idea. Use for wheeling and the eventual bug of modding can turn a lease sour. Besides they do t depreciate that badly. Depending on what Jeep does with the next wrangler, 2012-the last JK may be a great car to own.

Definitely do 3.73s. LSD is cheap and works well. Anything else is up to personal preference. I stewed over the soft/hard top but decided on the hard top and glad I did. The freedom panels are nice and the top provides great protection and is easy to clean. I could only imagine what my top would look like by now with brush scratches, mud, etc.
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If you are thinking lift and tires in the near future, save the $3k by getting the sport and use that for lift and tires. And get the 3.73 gears for sure, unless you want 35" tires, cause you will probably want to regear then.

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