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Old 03-06-2010, 11:25 PM   #1
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Going to order soon but I'm concerned about the 6 speed

I've been doing my research, talking to the wife, and we finally know what we want and are now shopping for dealers. Neither of us can imagine having a Jeep, especially our first, with anything but a manual transmission, soft top and half doors. That was what we intended to order but i am concerned about the problems some people have been having with the 6 speed. I expect we will do it anyway, i'm hoping that by the time I get an order in (60 to 90 days), they will have resolved that issue at the factory.

Anyway, here is what we have decided on:

Unlimited Rubicon
Half doors
Tow package
Engine block heater
Additional side impact air bags

Depending on the price I would like to get the stereo with nav and 30g storage but it is low on the priority list.

Our first choice of color is Yellow but since that isn't an option in 2010, we will go with the deep water blue or flame red, maybe the charcoal. The wife likes the surf blue....it is a little too close to smurf blue or Dharma Initiative Blue for my taste.

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Old 03-06-2010, 11:36 PM   #2
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Go with black and automatic.... That is all.

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Old 03-07-2010, 12:16 AM   #3
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Transmission will be cool when you get it I'm sure. Personally, I love that charcoal color and that dark orange floating around. Not sure if the 2010 has the amber color, but it's nice.

That blue is cool too
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:32 AM   #4
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I say black and manual. It gives you more versitility on the trails
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:21 AM   #5
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I have an '09 with the 6 speed and have had no problems at all.

The main complaint I have heard is the tranny popping out of gear in 1st. From what I understand Jeep uses a direct linkage to the transmission, so the stick will vibrate (sometimes pretty drastically on a big bump). My theory is that people are not fully engaging the gear and the vibration is enough to dis-engage the gear. Not saying this is the case 100% of the time as there are always chances of mechanical defect but I do believe that it is the case in the majority of complaints.

I do only have just over 11k on it, but so far so good.

As far as color goes (I have yellow ), I would have a hard time choosing between the yellow and the charcoal. Personally I would stay away from black if you are really looking at some trail use as black will show the custom striping from trees on the trail more so than other colors. But it is your ride and buy what makes you happiest.

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Old 03-07-2010, 06:38 AM   #6
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We've had our flame red Rubi 6spd for 2 months now and there have been no problems. The trans. on this shifts smoother than the 6spd we had on our 06. There is no "vibration" "jog" etc. When you shift it you feel the "2 clicks" and that's it. There are obviously some problems with some of the 6spd's. There is a TSB on it now. I agree with you. Had to have a manual. We also have the radio w/nav, etc. and really like it. I would definately recommend it. Check one out that has it. Good luck.
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:29 AM   #7
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I have the manual, had it for almost a year and no problems. The manual is the way to go with the 2 dr, but had I gotten the 4 dr probably would have gotten the auto. Just my personal feelings, based on nothing but my personal feelings. If you do go with the manual you may want to get something other than the 3.21 gears that come with it. Opps, I see you are looking at the Rubi, so disregard the previous sentence.

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Old 03-07-2010, 07:43 AM   #8
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I drove the manual and didn't like it personally. I have driven plenty of manuals in my lifetime and I just wasn't crazy with the 6spd in the jeep. Plus I really didn't want to have to shift all the time in a vehicle that is my DD......man I must be getting old
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:33 AM   #9
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I have a 2DR '09 with manual and no issues. It is my DD and I'm in sales. I have no issues with stop and go or traffice. Driving a manual is so "automatic" to me that I don't even notice it let alone have a problem driving it in traffic.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:37 AM   #10
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I drove the manual and didn't like it personally. I have driven plenty of manuals in my lifetime and I just wasn't crazy with the 6spd in the jeep. Plus I really didn't want to have to shift all the time in a vehicle that is my DD......man I must be getting old
I concur with Slither after having driven a 6-speed Rubicon yesterday. My DD right now is a Honda Civic Si (they have the same transmission issues that the Jeeps do BTW except it is a 3rd gear issue primarily) and the transmission differences are night and day with regard to clutch depression, throw of shifter, etc.. I had posted yesterday that I just didn't feel the love for the Wrangler as I had experienced last summer while in Hawaii. The more that I've thought about it the more I wonder if the underpowered auto (I experienced this last summer first hand) would be a better choice. I can EASILY see how stop and go traffic (DD remember) on the highway would get old REAL quick in this MT as opposed to my current DD (still not fun with any MT).

At this point I must still feel an urging for the Wrangler otherwise I wouldn't still be here reading/posting. I'm wondering if the Pentastar engine will make a big difference and if I shouldn't just wait till later in the year (my DD is an '08 and paid for so there is no rush)? All this from a 50 y/o BTW and not some teen/early 20's individual.
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Old 03-07-2010, 09:02 AM   #11
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With regard to dealer search, why not join TreadLightly.org for $25 and get discounted pricing and that way your cost is the same, regardless of the dealer?
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:26 PM   #12
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Yeah, I saw the thread regarding treadlightly.org and I will join prior to making a purchase. We are also Costco members so I am going to check into their vehicle purchase program. I have never used it so I have no idea how much, if any, money it can save me.

As far as the amount of shifting with a manual if this is our daily driver, which it will be...that really isn't any issue. We have no traffic problems here.......the county we live in has about 9000 people in about 2200 square miles. There isn't a traffic light in the entire county. The largest town, the county seat, has a population of approximately 900. A traffic jam here is anything more than about three rigs in a row.

It sounds like the manual should be okay. At least it appears that Chrysler/Jeep is finally responding to complaints of those who have had problems with the manual.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:13 PM   #13
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Best of luck with Costco. I've used them on three occasions and on only one of the three was it a "painless" process as they advertise. I guess it all depends on the dealer. The sales person yesterday with regard to the treadlightly.org pricing was very quick to offer to show me the price where as the dealership that was part of the Costco network while providing a price offering over the phone (invoice) was quick to try to offer me another vehicle which they had in stock as opposed to what I was wanting to order. I followed up with Costco via their online comment service and did hear back from a representative which resulted in my receiving a message from the associated dealer but when I called back and left the requesting specifics I failed to hear back yet again.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:23 PM   #14
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Sometimes it pays off to talk with the Fleet Manager. They may have an excess car that was listed for a multi sale that didn't actually get sold. I got a great deal on my last vehicle like that. You'd be surprised just by talking with them if there is an option.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:34 PM   #15
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..."A traffic jam here is anything more than about three rigs in a row."

...a S.D. traffic jam is when you're behind a farm tractor. (i used to spend some time in the black hills).

...i hadn't driven a manual in 20 years until i bought 'tonto'. i love it.

...i love the threads with people NOT having any issues with their 'sticks'.

...2-dr JK=6spd.manual.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:53 PM   #16
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I sent out six inquiries via email to dealerships around central and eastern Washington. Told them all what I was looking for and the time frame. I asked them all to give an idea what a Rubicon Unlimited with the options I wanted would cost. This was a week ago. One I still have not heard from. Four sent me the exact same email. This email told me they wanted to get my business and would be getting back to me with the info I requested. I still have not heard back from these four. One has sent me a couple of emails. This guy is the director of internet sales for the dealership. He explained that it would be difficult to give me an accurate idea of what the Jeep I am looking for will cost given that it is about six months down the road before i will be buying and the changing insentives, etc. He then suggested I check on edmunds.com and carsdirect.com so i know exactly what msrp is, what the actual invoice is etc.

I did not expect to get any numbers when I asked the dealerships to give me an idea on pricing for a purchase I will realistically make in 5 to 6 months. What I wanted was to get an idea of which dealership is willing to take the time to give a little personal attention to a prospective customer.
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6 months from now you'll most likely be ordering an '11.
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6 months from now you'll most likely be ordering an '11.
I was planning on ordering in the next two to three months but probably wouldn't pick it up for another two or so. But yes, I am getting into the 2011 time frame pretty quickly. The only issue I would have with that, at least as far as I know right now, is if they put the new 3.6 engine in. I typically try and stay away from at least the first year of the introduction of a major design change. Sounds like engine is pretty solid though...i would like the increased hp and torque. Decisions, decisions....too much like being a grownup.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:08 PM   #19
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My 2007 Sahara has the six-speed tranny. It has 23K miles and works great. As the old VW ads used to say--"after driving our beetles a few miles, shifting becomes automatic.

My Sahara has the towing package which included the 4.10 rear axle ratio, so I don't have to do much shifting, even in town driving. My only complaint is that the clutch pedal has to all the way to the floor to engage the starter-a long reach for short people--oh well.

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Old 03-08-2010, 11:55 AM   #20
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I have an '09, 2 door Wrangler X (Red Rock) with the manual transmission and hard tops. The ONLY problem I've had is with a leaky roof (that the dealer fixed). No problems with the manual transmission.
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I was planning on ordering in the next two to three months but probably wouldn't pick it up for another two or so. But yes, I am getting into the 2011 time frame pretty quickly. The only issue I would have with that, at least as far as I know right now, is if they put the new 3.6 engine in. I typically try and stay away from at least the first year of the introduction of a major design change. Sounds like engine is pretty solid though...i would like the increased hp and torque. Decisions, decisions....too much like being a grownup.
The 3.6 will be 2012.
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I like playing with my stick often so traffic is no problem. Seriously, being a gear shifter for 3 decades or so, I don't even give any ponder whistle I go about my business in the city...or in the country...or on the highway. I find the standard very versatile compared to the automatic. Soon as they have to replace the left leg with a wood one though that might change. I'll probably get a parrot then too.

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Old 03-08-2010, 02:44 PM   #23
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I am going with the manual. Based on what I have read here and other sites i think it will be fine.

I just can't get my head around driving a Jeep with an automatic. Nothing against auto drivers, to each his own. I just like driving a stick. So does the wife. We also don't have a traffic problem but I would still probably get a stick even if we did. Had several cars with stick shifts while living in Seattle. The traffic and the hills didn't bother me, but like jk'n, I've been driving a stick shift for a while now....close to 40 years.
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The good 'ol days of sticks, for me--is gone

Having driven sticks and auto's in the snow and rocks, for a lotta years--I'll stay with the auto

They allow you to "rock" out of snow and saves clutch's in traffic or rock creeping

Now I have a "DEAD" pedal for my left foot, when I have to drive any distance, so my left leg isn't bored !!

It's a totally, individual, decision

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The good 'ol days of sticks, for me--is gone

Having driven sticks and auto's in the snow and rocks, for a lotta years--I'll stay with the auto

They allow you to "rock" out of snow and saves clutch's in traffic or rock creeping

Now I have a "DEAD" pedal for my left foot, when I have to drive any distance, so my left leg isn't bored !!

It's a totally, individual, decision

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Good point about the ability to rock a vehicle stuck in the snow. Much easier in an auto. I have done it in a manual but it wasn't easy or near as effective.
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The 3.6 will be 2012.
Source? Everything I'm finding says to expect it in the '11 model year which a post I found yesterday online says 8/10.
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Have had no problems with mine. Love driving it.
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'08 red,6 speed,12k miles,love it
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2010 6 spd. red love it! but i looked at the half doors and decided to go with the full doors instead, mainly due to my wife smokes and for her to unzipp the window every time she wanted a smoke would have drove me nuts!!!!. the full doors you can roll it down and up pluse there not that heavy to take off and store and if i ever want a hard top i won't need to buy full doors for it. just a thought
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I have a 99 TJ and love my stick!

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