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Old 09-15-2013, 02:58 AM   #61
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In Texas, unless I'm mistaken, Game Wardens are Judge, Jury, and Executioner. For $100, I'd let it go and be thankful you didn't lose your jeep and have to pay the impound fees and what not.

I've heard stories about game wardens impounding a tow rig and trailer just because a boater was doing something wrong with their boat.

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Signs, Signs, Everywhere Signs and you had none. No sign should be no problem. Fight it, go to court and plead your case. The worst they will do is find you guilty and you pay the fine. The best is that you will prove your case and convince the court you did not intentionally break the law since the law had not posted signs. I think those wardens need to get their act together!

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I do not think no signs makes it okay--you owe it to yourself to do some more checking--especially if you are in an area that you have not been before. It should make you think that maybe it is not okay. If McDonald's didn't label their coffee cups as hot does that mean it the coffee is cold--It just doesn't pass the straight face test.
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I think you should reference having used it in the past, not seeing signs, and what you were doing in a nice demeanor and most judges'll let you off realizing you're not the person they're trying to dissuade and that you learned a lesson.
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I am not sure how your local officers work however I can tell you that after 16 years of police work there are officers in every town that are decent while others are hard to get along with.

Most likely this one certain officer has had some issues with this area and has dealt with many before you that were making his job difficult. You were simply a victim of a bad day for him and he wrote you a citation.

If you look at it in reality it will cost you fuel to drive to court and most likely time off work to simply protest it. The cost sounds reasonable and I would simply pay it. Not because it is right or wrong but more so if you lose you are out your time and still pay 100 dollars and court cost.

Honestly most officers I know really do not enjoy writing citations. It does not change our pay at all the more tickets we write. If nothing else it is a hassle for us to write it, then log it, and then keep up with court dates that usually don't match our normal shift.

Usually there is a supervisor riding our ass to produce more tickets due to constant complaints from citizens or local businesses. It really has very little to do with revenue or any certain officer simply enjoying writing tickets. The only worry I would have is having a violation on your driving record. If this citation was simply for trespassing it would seem that it is not a driving related offense and as such should not effect your insurance or record.

You run a risk claiming ignorance due to no signs posted as a defense. A city attorney will easily beat that by showing it was not a paved road with traffic control signs. They can easily show that most people would see that it was not a public roadway. There are no signs on the power lines around here however everyone simply understands these are not public roads.

If I guess right from your post he did not write you for littering or anything else he could not prove. He wrote you for trespassing and in reality you were doing that and I see little chance of simply beating the charge based on no signs posted on a power line trail. The best option I feel would be to go to court on the assigned day and simply explain your situation. They may accept a reduced fine without processing it through court if you accept some of the responsibility.

Good luck none the less ....
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Not looking to start a flame war on the topic. Just wondering if anyone ever contested a similar citation (unknowingly on forbidden land that was unposted) with any success. I agree with jadmt it's my responsibility. That said, I was clearly not causing any damage, littering, etc. I went so far to mention to the LEO that my wife and daughter were visiting a university and I was taking advantage of having a "free" weekend - hoping to appeal to his human side. Anyway, thanks.
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Took my JKUR up to the north face of Blue Mountain in Lehigh County, PA this morning to run a power line I used to dirt bike on when I was a kid. Was having a ball just crawling along, testing out the Rubi's drive train - sway bar disco'ed, front and rear locked, really enjoying the scenery. Stopped up top to have lunch and started back down when I noticed a pair of PA State Game Wardens waiting for me. I got out and one of them with a serious attitude approached me and asked for ID. I asked what the problem was and he said I was trespassing on state land. I pointed out that NO WHERE along the main road or the power line turn off was it posted - game and, no trespassing or otherwise. I also mentioned I thought that game land was public land. Made no difference, he gave me a citation for $100. I pointed out that I was not off the trail, not littering, treading lightly, etc. He said they had been having problems with people wheelin' and dumping garbage and I said I understood but clearly, I'm here just trying to break-in the drivetrain a little on my new jeep and would not bypass a no trespassing sign. He said "we cant post signs everywhere" and left. What an A$$HOLE. I plan to contest it in local court on the grounds that the trail was not posted in anyway. Anyone here have any experience in local magistrate fighting something like this?

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Let me state it was a TOTAL honest mistake....I would not trespass and I always give the LEO respect as I know it's a tough job. I just couldn't believe he was such a ball breaker. His partner seemed a lot more understanding as I was bullshitting with him while the writing officer photographed the Rubi from every angle....I said to the other LEO, "man, your partner must think I'm muling drugs the way he's documenting the "crime" scene. It's like I'm a terrorist". I half jokingly said "am I getting arrested?" He smiled and I got the distinct impression he thought his partner was being a little heavy handed as he said it was "his call". Anyway, thanks again.
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With regard to being compliant, the officer said that since I was " respectful and cooperative, he gave me the minimum fine". I live near the courthouse so I will try and go and explain the situation. Maybe the LEO won't show. As for needing lockers within 600 miles of my home, as a poster stated, the trail had one very steep, rocky section - about 100 feet or so. Pretty sure I would've walked up it open, but as I stated previously, I had everything locked because I was just trying to get some run time on the components. Thanks for all the info.
Pay the $100 and forget about it. Many years ago I took my Maico 450 for a ride along railroad tracks where I spent many years as a kid riding dirt bikes. Well this time I was ambushed by a cop. He jumped out from behind a fence with his gun drawn and told me to dismount my bike. He was a jerk to say the least. He wrote me up for trespassing on a railroad right-away, riding without a motorcycle license and not having my bike registered for the street.

Two of the three infractions were totally bogus... I was on a dirt bike on the dirt and I don't need a motorcycle license or registration - green sticker was all that's needed. But the other was trespassing and that turned out to be a misdemeanor and I needed to appear in criminal court.

I will only say that the county prosecutor was out for blood threatening me with a $500 fine and six monrhs in jail. So I told the judge I wanted to consult with an attorney. The judge granted my request with a new court date. I collected my facts and showed up for court a month later and I had a different prosecutor.

I stated my case and the judge let me go with a $100 fine - no jail time.

Personally I would let it go... just make sure you're appearing for traffic court to pay the $100 fine and not criminal court. Big difference.

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Check your local laws on postings. Out here ALL entrances and exits, paths, and so on MUST be marked No Trespassing and fences must be marked every 100 yds.

Had a cop try to be a hard nose and write me up out here. I beat him court as I had pictures of no markings on the trails/roads/paths as well as other documentation. My theory was that the cop figured I'd just pay the fine and get on with my life and am betting this is the case with you as well. Go to court, see if the officer shows.
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Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous to "protect" what is already gone?

If the State were so concerned with environment, then why did they allow the power company to trample and destroy the "road"?
If the power company owns the property, then what gives the State the right to police it?

Take it to court. Remember, all it takes is for good men to do nothing...

If you want to really go all out, sue the power company for creating an "attractive nuisance" by moving the rocks, and the State for not posting signs. I mean, it's a good thing you didn't hurt yourself out there!
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Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous to "protect" what is already gone?

If the State were so concerned with environment, then why did they allow the power company to trample and destroy the "road"?
If the power company owns the property, then what gives the State the right to police it?

Take it to court. Remember, all it takes is for good men to do nothing...

If you want to really go all out, sue the power company for creating an "attractive nuisance" by moving the rocks, and the State for not posting signs. I mean, it's a good thing you didn't hurt yourself out there!
who coined the phrase I have seen the enemy and it is us or something like that. We do more harm to ourselves then anyone. I hate the greenies and environmental Nazis as they have ruined the best industries in my state but I also see how they did it, by being involved and organized. Join any proactive group that likes to use gasoline ie snowmobile, motorcycle type groups power is in numbers. Hate to make this political but look at what states have the worst problems is it the red or is it the blue states?

If in fact the power company owns the land then I bet that they have requested that all trespassers be ticketed. I know for a fact that is how it works around here. Railroad is the same way. The local jurisdictions have letters on file from the companies requesting offenders be cited/prosecuted. Heck it comes from such a litigious society. Somebody crashes and sues the power company or rr or whoever else is perceived to have deep pockets.

Seems like certain groups are more organized ie snowmobilers and horseback riders and have done a better job of securing land for use then we have and I think partly because they police their own better. Get involved with local and regional groups to assure that we don't get shut out. Be responsible and maybe in 20 years our kids will still be able to off road.
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I once paid a no seat belt ticket just because I didn't wanna waste my time fighting it. And I was wearing it!!! It was only 85 bucks. But I'll tell u what as soon as I paid that and was on my way I regretted it with a passion because I was wearing my seatbelt and the sheriff was fng wrong for giving me that ticket. Fight it all the way if u can
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I'm going to have to agree with the threadstarter here..... he was not aware of this being a state land and it was trespassing. the guy was being a you know what, and he didn't have to ticket you, a warning would have sufficed. you have two outcomes here. i myself would take it to court and as the judge sees you have no prior tickets for the same thing. i think would let you off with a slap on the wrist and just pay court costs Or
before all the "lawyers" on WF jump in, i also work in one of the branches of law enforcment, i know how MAJORITY of county, state, government employees are... i believe if the ticketing officer does not show up, that throws the ticket away, done and end of story.

i would be very careful next time, where you decide to go and play off roading lol
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I'm going to have to agree with the threadstarter here..... he was not aware of this being a state land and it was trespassing. the guy was being a you know what, and he didn't have to ticket you, a warning would have sufficed. you have two outcomes here. i myself would take it to court and as the judge sees you have no prior tickets for the same thing. i think would let you off with a slap on the wrist and just pay court costs Or
before all the "lawyers" on WF jump in, i also work in one of the branches of law enforcment, i know how MAJORITY of county, state, government employees are... i believe if the ticketing officer does not show up, that throws the ticket away, done and end of story.

i would be very careful next time, where you decide to go and play off roading lol

I would definitely do research because depending on the particular court/judge that oversees such matters. You may find a court who is not sympathetic to ignorance of the law pleas and due to the backlog such pleas create hammers offenders who make such pleas as well as adds an additional monetary fee to cover the Officer's overtime if he comes in on his/her day off. Not saying this particular court will do so but very well may.

For those who think that based on the information that one cop was a dick and could have given a warning might not know the entire story. For all we know the nice cop was the boss and/or a training officers and may have required the issuing cop to write the ticket.

I will give Kudos to the OP as he seems to have handled the situation better then the rest of us keyboard commandos regardless of your/my point of view.
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Well, in my case I had to plea guilty for a lessor fine and no jail time because I broke the law trespassing on railroad property. The OP may have been ticketed like me, but my guess is he's headed for criminal court.

What's there to fight? He can argue the point that signs weren't posted - I did the same to no avail. The judge wasn't amused by my argument because "no trespassing" signs don't need to be posted. I can't recall the exact reason the judge tossed out my defense, but it wasn't a valid argument.

In the end the judge threw out the two infractions, but I had to plea guilty to trespassing which was a misdemeanor. I didn't wander on railroad property by accident.

The OP can test the waters in court, but I would avoid digging a deeper ditch - just pay the $100 fine and walk away.

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If it was me I would have greeted him with a smile, shook his hand, called him sir and had my lic ready to go before he even said anything. Then apologized that I didn't realize I shouldn't have been here said I'd leave immediately. Bet I wouldn't have gotten a ticket.
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Seems like an oxymoron... "trespassing on state (public) land".
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If it was me I would have greeted him with a smile, shook his hand, called him sir and had my lic ready to go before he even said anything. Then apologized that I didn't realize I shouldn't have been here said I'd leave immediately. Bet I wouldn't have gotten a ticket.
Bet you would of!

Regardless, we have beat this to death and I will still add my perspective. The amount of land that we have access to disappears everyday. I grew up in rural Montana where we could hunt and hike and fish pretty much everywhere. Even private land owners were generous, and private lakes often had stairs built over barbed wire to allow access... Much of that has dissapeared. Out of state folk with more money than we can make in our own state have bought up and now "posted" much of the land. The state and feds also regulate alot of the access now days. I no longer go anywhere unless I specifically know I can. Many of our trails even have limited ORV access. They have closed some roads to full size vehicles, but still allow dirt bikes, atvs, and snowmobiles. Even with maps it is hard to figure out if you are "ok" sometimes. Personally, I am not usually a huge fan of law enforcement. So I do my best to avoid them. Check and double check where you are going and avoid this situation if you can. It is a shame that our public employees treat all of us like criminals, even for an honest mistake, but it is the norm.

I would have been as polite as a nun until that ticket was issued and then I would have likely exercised my freedom of speach and told the A-hole exactly how I felt. I would also dwell on this for a long time and want to pursue it further and if I was younger and still had more "free time" likely would have used it up. Now days, I would just let it go, pay the $100 and remind other people how much we spend on "enforcement".

On a side note, I do believe in protecting the raw land we have love our large swaths of land that are open to hikers, hunters, backpackers etc that will NOT allow any motorized vehicles. If you know Montana, then you know how special places like the Bob Marshall are.
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I would definitely do research because depending on the particular court/judge that oversees such matters. You may find a court who is not sympathetic to ignorance of the law pleas and due to the backlog such pleas create hammers offenders who make such pleas as well as adds an additional monetary fee to cover the Officer's overtime if he comes in on his/her day off. Not saying this particular court will do so but very well may.

For those who think that based on the information that one cop was a dick and could have given a warning might not know the entire story. For all we know the nice cop was the boss and/or a training officers and may have required the issuing cop to write the ticket.

I will give Kudos to the OP as he seems to have handled the situation better then the rest of us keyboard commandos regardless of your/my point of view.
Of course everything is depending on your state and county statutes, every area is different of course..... the thing being state and county officers are alike when issuing BS tickets. they don't like people who know the system and will challenge their ticket in a court of law. its a time consuming event for them some agencies mandate their officers or park rangers or whatever to go to court hearings and some don't care what so ever....

Once again i would suggest taking it to court and fighting it. If you don't have the time to go, check out one of those ticket clinic places pay the $70 bucks plus change and have them go for you.
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Bet you would of!

Regardless, we have beat this to death and I will still add my perspective. The amount of land that we have access to disappears everyday. I grew up in rural Montana where we could hunt and hike and fish pretty much everywhere. Even private land owners were generous, and private lakes often had stairs built over barbed wire to allow access... Much of that has dissapeared. Out of state folk with more money than we can make in our own state have bought up and now "posted" much of the land. The state and feds also regulate alot of the access now days. I no longer go anywhere unless I specifically know I can. Many of our trails even have limited ORV access. They have closed some roads to full size vehicles, but still allow dirt bikes, atvs, and snowmobiles. Even with maps it is hard to figure out if you are "ok" sometimes. Personally, I am not usually a huge fan of law enforcement. So I do my best to avoid them. Check and double check where you are going and avoid this situation if you can. It is a shame that our public employees treat all of us like criminals, even for an honest mistake, but it is the norm.

I would have been as polite as a nun until that ticket was issued and then I would have likely exercised my freedom of speach and told the A-hole exactly how I felt. I would also dwell on this for a long time and want to pursue it further and if I was younger and still had more "free time" likely would have used it up. Now days, I would just let it go, pay the $100 and remind other people how much we spend on "enforcement".

On a side note, I do believe in protecting the raw land we have love our large swaths of land that are open to hikers, hunters, backpackers etc that will NOT allow any motorized vehicles. If you know Montana, then you know how special places like the Bob Marshall are.
been in the Bob many times and even have been lucky enough to have flown into Shaffers meadows and dropped off with just a day pack. you an almost see part of the bob from my back door and if you drive 1/2 hour you can lol.
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Don't know what the laws are in Pennsylvania but Georgia Power, who doesn't actually own the land beneath the power lines, states the following:

Is trail riding by off-road vehicles allowed on the right-of-way?

No. The use of off-road vehicles on the right-of-way is not permitted. This type of use causes erosion to the area, disturbances to the property owners and can destroy the access routes that the company uses to get to the poles and wires.



Wouldn't be surprised if other power companies had similar rules regarding the use. Granted the guy could've been more polite, but at the same time, he's probably heard it all before.
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Whether you were legal or not I can't say - I understand your opinion, and I would be confused and frazzled as well if that happened to me.

I read this story earlier this week, and your 'problem' just brings it back to my head. Knowledge is power in this case, you need to research where you were, how you accessed it, what laws may or may not apply, hopefully you can find these answers too, some are gargled papers, covered in dust in a library somewhere. I hope you enjoy this story though, this is one more person fighting for the freedom of public lands and he has a pro bono lawyer..

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I bet you would have here in Pa! This is one time I'll have to say you have to be here to believe it...period
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I bet you would have here in Pa! This is one time I'll have to say you have to be here to believe it...period
With regard to greeting the LEO with a handshake and a smile - that wasn't going to happen with this guy. I stopped the Rubi about 25 feet from their Blazer. Stepped out and as I started towards him as I was saying "Good Afternoon, Officer", he pulled back - almost as if he expected me to charge him and asked me to stop and stay by the vehicle. He had his game face on from the outset. I thought nothing of it as I'm sure they train to be guarded on a stop but I gave him absolutely no reason to suspect I would behave in such a manner. The dude was obviously having a shitty day.

Anyway, I went up to Pottsville, PA, to see my Dad today and will be grabbing a permit to 'wheel on the Reading Anthracite Coal Company property between Minersville, St. Clair and Mahanoy City. I had no idea they sold permits until my Dad told me when we discussed my "infraction" from the day before. All in all, a great day Anybody here 'wheel on the coal company's property?

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The game wardens are out for blood. Everyone's getting tickets....

Last December is when it all started... 1 year ago from today I could ride my dirtbike all day without seeing a sign.... Hell I didn't encounter a game commission sign on the trails until I was 17!!! And I been riding for a long time...

And the area where those signs were was the only place I knew where to find them until they grabbed half of the dang county over the past few months.

They are broke... Tickets = money!

I also see them bulldozing the forest in places. So much for conservation.
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With regard to greeting the LEO with a handshake and a smile - that wasn't going to happen with this guy. I stopped the Rubi about 25 feet from their Blazer. Stepped out and as I started towards him as I was saying "Good Afternoon, Officer", he pulled back - almost as if he expected me to charge him and asked me to stop and stay by the vehicle. He had his game face on from the outset. I thought nothing of it as I'm sure they train to be guarded on a stop but I gave him absolutely no reason to suspect I would behave in such a manner. The dude was obviously having a shitty day.

Anyway, I went up to Pottsville, PA, to see my Dad today and will be grabbing a permit to 'wheel on the Reading Anthracite Coal Company property between Minersville, St. Clair and Mahanoy City. I had no idea they sold permits until my Dad told me when we discussed my "infraction" from the day before. All in all, a great day Anybody here 'wheel on the coal company's property?

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The coal property is my home. I live in Pottsville. But no I don't buy permits... Considered it, but I know people who can get me out of any trouble I might get in. I don't do anything wrong on their peoperty.
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Old 09-15-2013, 06:34 PM   #86
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OP.... is this what you were cited for violating?



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GAME AND WILDLIFE CODE
Title 34

Unlawful acts on commission lands or waters - 34 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 2512

§ 2512. Unlawful acts on commission lands or waters.
(a) General rule.--On any lands or waters owned, leased or
controlled by the commission, it is unlawful, without first
securing consent or a permit from the commission, to:
(1) Go upon any lands or waters which are posted against
entry for any purpose.

(2) Cut down or otherwise destroy any trees, shrubs or
other flora.
(3) Do or cause to be done any act to the detriment of
such lands, structures, roads, trails, trees, shrubs or flora
thereon.
(4) Remove any material, either organic or inorganic.
(5) Destroy, mutilate or remove any sign or placard.
(6) Fish, swim or boat on or in any waters posted
against such acts.
(7) Post any of the commission's signs or placards, or
any signs or placards similar in appearance thereto, on any
lands not owned or controlled by the commission.
(8) Violate any regulations of the commission pertaining
to the use and protection of such lands or waters or the
users of such lands or waters.
(b) Penalties.--
(1) A violation of this section is a summary offense of
the fifth degree. ...
Clearly says Game Commission land has to be posted for you to be trespassing!

I think you are going to beat this IF you do your research....

Took a matter if a few minutes on the web to get this.
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OP.... is this what you were cited for violating?



Clearly says Game Commission land has to be posted for you to be trespassing!

I think you are going to beat this IF you do your research....

Took a matter if a few minutes on the web to get this.
Bill,

Dont know as of yet as the citation has to come in the mail. The LEO said I'd get it within 10 days. Going to print what you found though...THANKS!

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Check your local laws on postings. Out here ALL entrances and exits, paths, and so on MUST be marked No Trespassing and fences must be marked every 100 yds.

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Actually, Cal Penal Code 602 considers land effectively "posted" if it is entirely enclosed by a fence, or posted with at least 3 signs per each mile of property line and at all entries.

Mine is fenced and posted!
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OP.... is this what you were cited for violating?

Clearly says Game Commission land has to be posted for you to be trespassing!

I think you are going to beat this IF you do your research....

Took a matter if a few minutes on the web to get this.
If its posted against entry it is called a "restricted area" and nobody is allowed to be on it. Except the game commission.

I think that's what they are referring to.

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