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Old 12-08-2010, 05:41 PM   #31
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Btw what its lake effect snow?
Cold northern air, blowing across the lakes, before they freeze over.

The moisture rising from the warmer water of the lakes, hit by the cold northern air, makes a crap pile of snow.....

Here's a couple of pics from today.....it has been constant for several days...




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Old 12-08-2010, 05:49 PM   #32
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I'm wearing shorts, and will soon be on the patio having an ice cold beer.
It's 77 today.....
We had our winter - June - September

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I'm wearing shorts, and will soon be on the patio having an ice cold beer.
It's 77 today.....
We had our winter - June - September
Where you live at?
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Cold northern air, blowing across the lakes, before they freeze over.

The moisture rising from the warmer water of the lakes, hit by the cold northern air, makes a crap pile of snow.....
It doesn't have to be northern air, just cold air. It just so happens that is usually where the cold air comes from...unless you live in the southern hemisphere!
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It doesn't have to be northern air, just cold air. It just so happens that is usually where the cold air comes from...unless you live in the southern hemisphere!
And where does the cold air blow from????........certainly NOT the south.

The winds are blowing down from Canada, across the lakes..

Any other direction, would not cause this....

I'm not trying to be a "Richard Head"...but, if the cold wind comes from any other direction, it changes everything.....
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Where you live at?
I'm thinking somewhere at least 30 degrees south of the equator.
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And where does the cold air blow from????........certainly NOT the south.

The winds are blowing down from Canada, across the lakes..

Any other direction, would not cause this....

I'm not trying to be a "Richard Head"...but, if the cold wind comes from any other direction, it changes everything.....
How about often from the West I'm not trying to be one of those either, just saying it isn't always from the north. We can always agree to disagree. It depends on what is happening with the pressure systems creating the effect.
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snow = salt = rusty jeep parts = nightmare. glad we rarely get it here.
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How do you protect from road salt? Wash it often? But who wants to do that when it's freezing outside. Paint the frame?
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My plan is a little of both of those options bob. In the spring I'm planning to put one of those circular sprinklers under it and let it fly for at least 5 minutes, pull ahead, let it fly again for 5 more minutes pull it ahead again, repeat to put the sprinkler in a few different positions under the jeep. Then at some point I'm going to hit the rusty spots with a wire brush and some black semi gloss.
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My plan is a little of both of those options bob. In the spring I'm planning to put one of those circular sprinklers under it and let it fly for at least 5 minutes, pull ahead, let it fly again for 5 more minutes pull it ahead again, repeat to put the sprinkler in a few different positions under the jeep. Then at some point I'm going to hit the rusty spots with a wire brush and some black semi gloss.
Great idea on the sprinkler!
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A sprinkler isn't really gonna do much for ya... No pressure. Pressure washer and either a ramp, hill/incline, or a creeper will clean better to paint
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A sprinkler isn't really gonna do much for ya... No pressure. Pressure washer and either a ramp, hill/incline, or a creeper will clean better to paint
I think it would get alot of the road salt off.
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A sprinkler isn't really gonna do much for ya... No pressure. Pressure washer and either a ramp, hill/incline, or a creeper will clean better to paint
i'd be real careful with a pressure washer with all the seals and gaskets... depending how powerful your pressure washer is you can force water where water isn't welcome....

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And where does the cold air blow from????........certainly NOT the south.

The winds are blowing down from Canada, across the lakes..

Any other direction, would not cause this....

I'm not trying to be a "Richard Head"...but, if the cold wind comes from any other direction, it changes everything.....

That's not exactly correct. I live in Toronto, so on the north side of the lakes, and it depends more on the lake water temperature being hot then the air being cold. We get lake effect snow here when the winds are blowing from the south and the lake is still warm...
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That's not exactly correct. I live in Toronto, so on the north side of the lakes, and it depends more on the lake water temperature being hot then the air being cold. We get lake effect snow here when the winds are blowing from the south and the lake is still warm...
I was going to mention that it could actually be from the south as well but didn't want to widen the discussion since I already seemed to stir it up a bit. The upper atmosphere which is normally colder than below will freeze the water vapors coming off of the lake and form snow rather than rain. The actual arctic air may be dipping down south and then because of the pressure systems be directed back up north again thus the wind is from the south producing the lake effect but the air originated from the north. Weather systems can be pretty complex, the lake effect is simple. You could be on any shore (north, south, east, or west) and get hammered with snow from lake effect. From what I have been seeing, over the years, on the great lakes it seems the eastern shore gets most of the snow from lake effect because of the tendency of the wind to be from the west because of the jet stream. I'm over a half a century old so that means a lot of winters!

The most important part of lake effect snow if you live close enough to the lakes to have some of it is after the work of getting the jeep out of it and clearing the driveway, get out and have some fun in it with the jeep. Or just be confident that the jeep will get you to where you are going pretty safely with a spring in your step and a smile on your face.
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Where you live at?

PHX = Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Code
I have a Wrangler "X"....
That's a rattlesnake in my avatar.
Arizona, bo'
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I was going to mention that it could actually be from the south as well but didn't want to widen the discussion since I already seemed to stir it up a bit. The upper atmosphere which is normally colder than below will freeze the water vapors coming off of the lake and form snow rather than rain. The actual arctic air may be dipping down south and then because of the pressure systems be directed back up north again thus the wind is from the south producing the lake effect but the air originated from the north. Weather systems can be pretty complex, the lake effect is simple. You could be on any shore (north, south, east, or west) and get hammered with snow from lake effect. From what I have been seeing, over the years, on the great lakes it seems the eastern shore gets most of the snow from lake effect because of the tendency of the wind to be from the west because of the jet stream. I'm over a half a century old so that means a lot of winters!

The most important part of lake effect snow if you live close enough to the lakes to have some of it is after the work of getting the jeep out of it and clearing the driveway, get out and have some fun in it with the jeep. Or just be confident that the jeep will get you to where you are going pretty safely with a spring in your step and a smile on your face.
You didn't stir me up at all, I should have been more specific....our lake effect, in NW. PA. is caused by the cold Canadian air blowing down across lake Erie. Buffalo gets hammered when there's a more westerly wind.

I've pasted the half century mark also.....

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PHX = Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Code
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LoL thought that at first but you said you had your winter in may june, winter happens in those months only below the equator , south america , etc.

(im in az too lol)
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lake effect

is when a front moves over the lake west to east - and then hits land on the east side of the lake - and stops due to the land mass, sometimes called an occluded front. The front stops and continues to drop snow on the land for a protracted period of time. Buffalo NY gets this often, lake effect snow can be several feet of snow in a few hours.
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is when a front moves over the lake west to east - and then hits land on the east side of the lake - and stops due to the land mass, sometimes called an occluded front. The front stops and continues to drop snow on the land for a protracted period of time. Buffalo NY gets this often, lake effect snow can be several feet of snow in a few hours.
Yes, this is a narrow definition of a broadly used term. Meteorologically speaking. This is what usually occurs for that particular city. Anybody who moves to Buffalo, shouldn't be surprised.

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Very interesting. Can't tell you about snow effect but il tell you all you want to know about heat waves
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Living in the Salt Lake area of Utah we get lake effect on a constant basis. Our problem is because of the Great Salt Lake being, well, full of salt water, it doesn't freeze up like most other bodies of water. So when the great lakes area freezes, we are still looking at open water that makes for some decent snowstorms. And the geography of the Salt Lake Valley means that these Storms pass over the lake (collecting water) and then hit a
mountain range and stall out, letting it snow for a few days until it passes over or peters out. Except we've only had one real storm so far this year :-(
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snow = salt = rusty jeep parts = nightmare. glad we rarely get it here.
that's what I'm saying, although it would be fun to play in the snow.
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Here's a question for everyone. I live in Toronto, road salt is used heavily. My friend owns a 97 TJ, and another friend just bought a 97 TJ. The first one was never driven winters although it was stored outside, and the other TJ saw winter driving all the time, and they both seem to have pretty much identical rust.

What would be the reason for that? I'm assuming storing TJ #1 inside would have prevented the rust?
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where is the rust located?
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Year around I use a place in Orchard Park NY cause no one is ever there to bitch and wine at you about your dirty jeep.. The winter for the salt and any mud I run into.. I try to avoid the mud ESPECIALLY in the winter.. And In the summer there is no one to bitch at you when you pull in and your jeep is muddy.. I like that.. Although I usually will hit the Jeep with the hose first.. I got a process and what not for cleaning the mud off in the summer..

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where is the rust located?
Frame mostly, and of course the drivetrain..

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