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Old 05-21-2013, 07:45 AM   #1
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I've had my 2013 Wrangler for a couple months now and I absolutely love it! It's my 1st ever jeep and there is no doubt it won't be my last.

The weather was beautiful last weekend and for some reason we didn't have any kids sporting events to attend so I decided it would be a good time to take the hard top off and put the soft top on. Unfortunately after taking the hard top off (with my wife's help) i discovered the dealership didn't give me all the parts they were supposed to for the soft top...I was missing an entire box of stuff...so we had to put the hard top back on.

I decided to do some more searching on the forum while i waited for the missing parts and found some great posts on how to do the change. With all the parts in hand and yesterday being a holiday and the weather being nice I decided to give it another go...unfortunately if the dealership gives you the wrong sized windows for your jeep it doesn't really matter how many great posts you read before doing the change...

Yep, that's right, got the hard top off (with the help of my not very impressed wife), struggled to get the soft top latched at the front only to discover the back window wasn't the right size. Of course I assumed I was doing something wrong...after trying to make it fit I figured I did something wrong so I lowered the soft top and started all over again but the no matter what I did that back window just wouldn't zip up.

Needless to say I was not in a great mood...I was hot, my kids were driving me nuts cause they wanted to "help" and my wife was getting pissed off cause she wanted to go for a "family hike".

I called the sales guy that sold me the jeep (and my previous 2 vehicles)...he laughed and said I was obviously doing something wrong. He came over to show me how to do it properly...took him all of about two minutes to come to the same conclusion i did...the window is too small! We pulled out the side windows to check them as well...they look to be the right size, however, the zipper on one of them was torn and it wouldn't go on even if it is the correct size.

Sales guy has assured me he will show up at my office this morning with the correct sized windows. There was no way I was putting the hard top back on last night as I was exhausted and it was already put away in the garage. Luckily it didn't rain last night but there is a storm watch in effect for later this morning so he better show up soon.

Sorry for venting on here but I figured if anyone can feel my pain it would be you guys/gals. Anyone else have any "horror stories" from when you bought your jeep?

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I haven't taken my hard top off yet. I was going to do it this weekend. What was the box of stuff you were missing? Because I don't think I got a box of stuff either.

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I haven't taken my hard top off yet. I was going to do it this weekend. What was the box of stuff you were missing? Because I don't think I got a box of stuff either.
You should have had two large boxes with the soft top. Once contains the three windows, the other one contains the hardware necessary to install it all.
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Ok, I have those. Is there a box with screws or fasteners or anything like that too? I'm at work right now, I want to check when I get home. Thanks
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Kind of like me. I got all set to install, and then realized I had no bow brackets on my roll bar in the back. The holes are there and the opening in the velcro was there, but no brackets. $30 a piece, and the four bolts were $8 each. But I didn't have the dual top option when I bought mine. I bought the soft top after from another Jeeper. Hopefully you already have the brackets on yours.
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Ok, I have those. Is there a box with screws or fasteners or anything like that too? I'm at work right now, I want to check when I get home. Thanks
The box with the hardware should contain the door brackets, the hand screws to secure them, the pieces that clip on to the rear to hold the tailgate bar, the velcro securing straps and the elastic straps for holding the rolled window up. Might be something else as well, but I can't remember what right now.
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When you order the dual tops, the two metal brackets (and screws) needed are already on the rear roll bar. So if you are buying a take-off top from someone, MAKE SURE you get those two brackets and screws. The owner may not even know they are there.
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When you order the dual tops, the two metal brackets (and screws) needed are already on the rear roll bar. So if you are buying a take-off top from someone, MAKE SURE you get those two brackets and screws. The owner may not even know they are there.
I was hoping that was the case, since I really didn't remember seeing any hardware. Thanks for that info
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list of parts in the boxes. sounds like they gave you 2007-2010 windows, which are smaller.
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Sounds like you've got a fantastic dealer, omitting the part about giving you the wrongs parts to begin with.

With the right parts the swap is really easy, just make sure to install the soft top in the sun on a warm day. ...the process will be wicked easy, otherwise you'll be teaching your kids some new language. They take like 2 weeks to loosen up to the point of being really easy to use.
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I haven't taken my hard top off yet. I was going to do it this weekend. What was the box of stuff you were missing? Because I don't think I got a box of stuff either.
Same thing happened to me. It came with a soft top but no hardware or windows.. Turns out I need this $500.00 part to start.
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The box that was missing originally was the box containing the door surrounds.

Luckily the rain held off and he did show up at the office this morning with the right sized windows.
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so, as I said the sales guy brought the proper windows and put them on for me yesterday while I was at work.

However, I noticed that the side windows don't seem to be on properly.

Here is a picture of what it looked like when I got out of work before driving home. This is the top corner of the back door...notice how the window isn't sitting in the door frame properly? It's the same on both sides...although the drivers side is a bit worse than the passenger side.



Here is a picture of what it looked like after I got home from the office (about a 5 minute drive)



Is there a trick to getting the window to sit properly?
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so, as I said the sales guy brought the proper windows and put them on for me yesterday while I was at work.

However, I noticed that the side windows don't seem to be on properly.

Here is a picture of what it looked like when I got out of work before driving home. This is the top corner of the back door...notice how the window isn't sitting in the door frame properly? It's the same on both sides...although the drivers side is a bit worse than the passenger side.



Here is a picture of what it looked like after I got home from the office (about a 5 minute drive)



Is there a trick to getting the window to sit properly?
Yes. You should first take the zipper and zip the top section about 4 to 6 inches.
Then stop, and take the part that connects in the plastic channel at the door and work it in. Next, work the bottom into the channel in the body, from front to back. Finally, finish zipping. Then work the Velcro from front to back, paying attention to place it under the top "flap".
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I am now hunting for a soft top for a 2012 online, I took my hard top off for the season last night and sweat my A@# off! LOL.
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Yes. You should first take the zipper and zip the top section about 4 to 6 inches.
Then stop, and take the part that connects in the plastic channel at the door and work it in. Next, work the bottom into the channel in the body, from front to back. Finally, finish zipping. Then work the Velcro from front to back, paying attention to place it under the top "flap".
Is the plastic channel that goes into the door supposed to hook onto/into something or is it supposed to just sit flush with the side of the door frame?
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so, as I said the sales guy brought the proper windows and put them on for me yesterday while I was at work.

However, I noticed that the side windows don't seem to be on properly.

Here is a picture of what it looked like when I got out of work before driving home. This is the top corner of the back door...notice how the window isn't sitting in the door frame properly? It's the same on both sides...although the drivers side is a bit worse than the passenger side.



Here is a picture of what it looked like after I got home from the office (about a 5 minute drive)


In your first picture,


Is there a trick to getting the window to sit properly?
The very front edge of the window (that has the stiff plastic inside) should fit snugly in the channel at the inside of the door surround. It looks from the picture like you just kinda closed the door on the front edge of the window.

Here is how you can tell you did it correctly: there are two rows of stitching on the forward side of the window, which you can see in your first picture above. When you've put the window on correctly and the door is closed, you should not be able to see either of them from the outside. The line of stitching closer to the clear plastic part of the window should run straight up the door surround and be hidden when you close the door.

Also, once you get the front edge of the window into the channel properly, you won't have any problems with it wanting to pop out as you are working the bottom edge into its channel and zipping/velcroing the rest of the way.
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The very front edge of the window (that has the stiff plastic inside) should fit snugly in the channel at the inside of the door surround. It looks from the picture like you just kinda closed the door on the front edge of the window.

Here is how you can tell you did it correctly: there are two rows of stitching on the forward side of the window, which you can see in your first picture above. When you've put the window on correctly and the door is closed, you should not be able to see either of them from the outside. The line of stitching closer to the clear plastic part of the window should run straight up the door surround and be hidden when you close the door.

Also, once you get the front edge of the window into the channel properly, you won't have any problems with it wanting to pop out as you are working the bottom edge into its channel and zipping/velcroing the rest of the way.
Ok, I think I get what you are saying...looks as though the sales guy was just being lazy when he put the windows on...
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Ok, I think I get what you are saying...looks as though the sales guy was just being lazy when he put the windows on...
Probably. And it's kinda sad.

When my dealership showed me how to work the soft top, the guys that did it made a point of showing me those rows of stitching and explaining how they should look when it's done. Even after three years of ownership, it's still one of the four or five best pieces of advice I've ever gotten about my Jeep.
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I have had my 13 JKUR since July of last year and my soft top is still stuck under the hard top in the delivery position. 3 shoulder surgeries later and awaiting a total replacement, I am going to have to pay some neighbor teens to remove it, or maybe have a lift installed in the garage. I'm dying to get it off as I have a SpiderWeb Shade waiting as well. Life is grand!
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I have had my 13 JKUR since July of last year and my soft top is still stuck under the hard top in the delivery position. 3 shoulder surgeries later and awaiting a total replacement, I am going to have to pay some neighbor teens to remove it, or maybe have a lift installed in the garage. I'm dying to get it off as I have a SpiderWeb Shade waiting as well. Life is grand!
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I have had my 13 JKUR since July of last year and my soft top is still stuck under the hard top in the delivery position. 3 shoulder surgeries later and awaiting a total replacement, I am going to have to pay some neighbor teens to remove it, or maybe have a lift installed in the garage. I'm dying to get it off as I have a SpiderWeb Shade waiting as well. Life is grand!
I soooo feel your pain.

When I was 24 I was told that I had grade 3 osteoarthritis in my shoulders...doctor said I had the shoulder of an 80yr old. After 3 major reconstructive surgeries (one in which they rotated the shoulder socket 90 degrees to realign it) and countless scopes I finally had a complete shoulder replacement done 6 years ago (I'm 37 now). It was a long and painful road to recovery but things are so much better now since the replacement...there is still pain if I overdue it (which I always do) and I don't have full range of movement but my shoulder doesn't dislocate in the middle of the night when I'm asleep anymore and last year I started playing basketball again after about 10 years of not being able to and this year I'm actually playing softball (hope my doctor isn't a member on here...lol). Unfortunately, I need to have my left one done as well but I'm holding off as long as I can because it's not quite as bad as the right one was.

Anyways, just wanted to share that and let you know that it does get better and after the replacement you'll be switching the tops on the jeep yourself...lol.
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I have had my 13 JKUR since July of last year and my soft top is still stuck under the hard top in the delivery position. 3 shoulder surgeries later and awaiting a total replacement, I am going to have to pay some neighbor teens to remove it, or maybe have a lift installed in the garage. I'm dying to get it off as I have a SpiderWeb Shade waiting as well. Life is grand!
I just installed my Spiderwebshade yesterday BEFORE removing the hardtop. I had to have my wife help me take the hardtop off! She twisted her back, but she got payback when it took me at least an hour to install that premium top!
As a warning to new soft top installers... When latching the two clamps in the front of soft top, keep fingers clear!!! In the past, I latched my left hand finger into the drivers side clamp. Very painful and I had to reach into my left pocket with my right hand to get my cell phone to call my wife. She laughed at my pain and I just made her leave. It took an hour for me to build up the courage to pull that clamp open because it squeezes tighter before it releases. So...just pay attention.
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You sir, have an excellent attitude!

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Thank you, it could have been worse and I could have been killed. I am fortunate!


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I soooo feel your pain.

When I was 24 I was told that I had grade 3 osteoarthritis in my shoulders...doctor said I had the shoulder of an 80yr old. After 3 major reconstructive surgeries (one in which they rotated the shoulder socket 90 degrees to realign it) and countless scopes I finally had a complete shoulder replacement done 6 years ago (I'm 37 now). It was a long and painful road to recovery but things are so much better now since the replacement...there is still pain if I overdue it (which I always do) and I don't have full range of movement but my shoulder doesn't dislocate in the middle of the night when I'm asleep anymore and last year I started playing basketball again after about 10 years of not being able to and this year I'm actually playing softball (hope my doctor isn't a member on here...lol). Unfortunately, I need to have my left one done as well but I'm holding off as long as I can because it's not quite as bad as the right one was.

Anyways, just wanted to share that and let you know that it does get better and after the replacement you'll be switching the tops on the jeep yourself...lol.
I'm not going to lie, nervous about this surgery, but can't wait to get it done. I haven't slept a good night in almost 2 years, thanks for the info, I like hearing as much as I can about it.


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I just installed my Spiderwebshade yesterday BEFORE removing the hardtop. I had to have my wife help me take the hardtop off! She twisted her back, but she got payback when it took me at least an hour to install that premium top!
As a warning to new soft top installers... When latching the two clamps in the front of soft top, keep fingers clear!!! In the past, I latched my left hand finger into the drivers side clamp. Very painful and I had to reach into my left pocket with my right hand to get my cell phone to call my wife. She laughed at my pain and I just made her leave. It took an hour for me to build up the courage to pull that clamp open because it squeezes tighter before it releases. So...just pay attention.
I have thought about just getting rid of the soft top but I'm sure I will regret it. I do need to get this hard top off and the soft top out no matter what.
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so I had the sales guy come by again...figure since I've purchased my last 3 vehicles from him and he didn't give me all the parts for the soft top and then gave me the wrong sized windows for it I would make him earn his commission. He said, and I quote..."that's how they are supposed to sit with the door". He pulled on the window a bit but it didn't do anything and it's still sticking out at the top of the door.

I am going to follow supercazzola instructions...

You should first take the zipper and zip the top section about 4 to 6 inches. Then stop, and take the part that connects in the plastic channel at the door and work it in. Next, work the bottom into the channel in the body, from front to back. Finally, finish zipping. Then work the Velcro from front to back, paying attention to place it under the top "flap".

I took some better pictures to show you guys just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly as I am going to try and fix it when I get home from the office today.






Thanks for all the help everyone...this place is great!
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I'm now afraid to work with my premium top stuck under my hard top
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so I had the sales guy come by again...figure since I've purchased my last 3 vehicles from him and he didn't give me all the parts for the soft top and then gave me the wrong sized windows for it I would make him earn his commission. He said, and I quote..."that's how they are supposed to sit with the door". He pulled on the window a bit but it didn't do anything and it's still sticking out at the top of the door.



Thanks for all the help everyone...this place is great!
Your salesman needs some training. The L-shaped plastic edge of the window needs to wrap around and slide into the gap that you correctly identify in your photo.

I made the same mistake as well until corrected by the forum. It's a bit of a pig to get in the first time, but once it has been in a couple of days and had a chance to stretch, it's fine.
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I drive by a JK every morning th sits outside all the time, and those darn L shaped flaps are just hanging out....I wonder if he doesn't know, or doesn't care. I just wanna stop and wake him up and show him how to put his top on properly probably gonna have some nice rust issues in no time.
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so I had the sales guy come by again...figure since I've purchased my last 3 vehicles from him and he didn't give me all the parts for the soft top and then gave me the wrong sized windows for it I would make him earn his commission. He said, and I quote..."that's how they are supposed to sit with the door". He pulled on the window a bit but it didn't do anything and it's still sticking out at the top of the door.

I am going to follow supercazzola instructions...

You should first take the zipper and zip the top section about 4 to 6 inches. Then stop, and take the part that connects in the plastic channel at the door and work it in. Next, work the bottom into the channel in the body, from front to back. Finally, finish zipping. Then work the Velcro from front to back, paying attention to place it under the top "flap".

I took some better pictures to show you guys just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly as I am going to try and fix it when I get home from the office today.






Thanks for all the help everyone...this place is great!
Bingo. When you do it right, it will sit very flat under the door.
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I drive by a JK every morning th sits outside all the time, and those darn L shaped flaps are just hanging out....I wonder if he doesn't know, or doesn't care. I just wanna stop and wake him up and show him how to put his top on properly probably gonna have some nice rust issues in no time.
he probably had a salesman tell him that's how it's supposed to be...lol

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